@Twigginater know what you mean, may be a confidence thing as well but i'm going to head out now. enjoy your weekend mate and we'll continue our discussion on kagawa later. hopefully he's in better form by then cheers 
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Yours wasn't too bad either.
No goalz iz murst unportent lol u los3r.
Seriously though, so do most of us, and I think we're way past the point where it became safe to assume anyone who can't see what Kagawa does is probably just quite young.
The only possible question mark regarding him is the whole 'lightweight' issue.
The question is, when Kagawa is sold, will his fanbois become more or less annoying?
Give yourself up for science. I'm not joking or insulting you, it's people like you who could be valuable in society. If we could understand how it is possible to read something and then take from it something that has absolutely nothing to do with what was read (in this case, Kagawa performing as a CM), perhaps we could come up with a viable strategy to help under performing schools especially with helping children understand what the text is about.
Lets hope he stays true to his word! I feel like Moyes recently found out that Kagawa is actually pretty good and more suited to United then Valencia and Young are, so I do think we'll see him be the first back up for the starters we saw today. The awful game against Olympiacos might just have been the last straw with respects to starting Valencia and Young.
Strange kind of comment but good to hear all the same.
Glad to hear it if it's true. His lack of game time isn't as big a problem for as some others because I've not been overly convinced by him a lot when he has played this season, but I'd like to see him get plenty of time before it can be definitively said it's not going to work out for him here when it's clear that he does have talent as a footballer.
Interesting comments from Moyes, I still harbor some hope that Shinji's in his plans. He should start the second leg versus the Greeks.
Why will he play more between now and the end of the season? What's happened between him playing 0 minutes for a month and suddenly he deserves more?
Maybe the penny's dropped with regards Young and Valencia, who knows?
Give yourself up for science. I'm not joking or insulting you, it's people like you who could be valuable in society. If we could understand how it is possible to read something and then take from it something that has absolutely nothing to do with what was read (in this case, Kagawa performing as a CM), perhaps we could come up with a viable strategy to help under performing schools especially with helping children understand what the text is about.
You completely missed the point I think mate. You can write an essay about how Kagawa reminds you of scholes in a way, but I'm just pointing out there's a massive difference in the two. Scholes had so much more to his game.
Came in this thread to post just that. Moving away from the winger stuff and move more towards a flexible front four? Nani might be licking his lips at that as well as Kagawa. But not Valencia and Young (thank goodness).
If you think about it. Two or three of Mata/Januzaj/Nani/Kagawa and one or two of Rooney/RVP/Welbeck is one seriously hot attacking force.
It's easily the most talented attacking front in the league, on paper anyway. We really need to sort out an imaginative system, I still don't think Moyes is capable of formulating one but who knows...
Has to be this really. Since the turn of the year I feel like Young and Valencia have been used as much as anyone and we used this rigid formation with wingers very often, and they've been incredibly shit most times they've played (more so Valencia). Maybe the Olympiacos game which was arguably the worst performance of the season made Moyes realize that his only good performances this season came when he had a fluid front 4 of players that are technically good, not just fast but a bit useless with a football.
Moyes definitely acknowledged with that statement that he hasn't been using him at all lately, and the last 2 sub appearances have probably done enough to convince him he can come good yet.
I hope so.
damn I hope so!
We might not always play well when he's on the field. But when we do play well, he's almost certainly on. I'm starting to think that it's not a coinscidence.
Leverkusen, away
Leverkusen, home
Sociedad, home
Swansea, home, 2nd half
Sunderland, home, 1st half(cup)
WBA, home, 1st half
WBA, away, last 20 minutes
These are arguably the only times we've played genuinely well this season. Kagawa was on the field in all of them, being instrumental 4 out of 7 times.
Leverkusen, away
Leverkusen, home
Sociedad, home
Swansea, home, 2nd half
Sunderland, home, 1st half(cup)
WBA, home, 1st half
WBA, away, last 20 minutes
These are arguably the only times we've played genuinely well this season. Kagawa was on the field in all of them, being instrumental 4 out of 7 times.
We were crap against Sunderland and West Brom at home. Our best Premier League performances were probably Villa and Fulham away.
People really exaggerating Kagawa's influence today.
He improved our play with neat interchanges with Rooney/Mata. They linked well - so clearly some good signs though.
Oh of course. It has been a problem with the whole team. We wither under the quick tempo and high pressure and just fall apart. It is why we've looked good in the CL or in the Fulham match and absolute dogshit in other matches. Kagawa relies heavily on team play though so I think it affects him even more than others. The likes of RvP, Rooney or Januzaj even if the team is playing shite can still come up with some brilliance and win us a match whereas Kagawa will be largely ineffective.
Moyes saying he'll play Kagawa more, with the rumours of RvP being unhappy could it be likely he'll be off in the summer? If so Moyes might decide to put Kagawa in instead. No point losing both of them.
Young actually played centrally quite a bit in his last season at Villa and is well able to play in a flexible line-up. He just hasn't been good enough but he is in no way a one-trick winger like Valencia.
They'll set up a "Kagawa Watch" thread and bump it every time he plays a neat one-two on the halfway line.
He was ok and didn't have much to do with the goal.
Granted re: Young at Villa. But he's not cut from the same cloth as Mata/Kagawa etc in the creativity/innovation stakes which I think is what Moyes is looking for. It appears he wants as many dimensions to his forward players as possible. In United terms, Young I think is too limited to both expect and justify his inclusion alongside these players week-in, week-out.
I like him and rate him but it does get a bit annoying when people keep on referring him to as a very good player and then say that Welbeck is average inspite of the fact that Welbeck has been miles better than Kagawa this season.
If it comes to a choice, who would you want see appearing as a sub between Young and Valencia ?
I hope the penny has dropped for Moyes in regards to Young and Valencia. I'll be pissed if we just allow Kagawa to leave and have the other two remain at the club.
I see where you are coming from but you can't say Welbeck is a very good player when he's only ever been a squad player so far, and the one season he was a starter he scored 12 goals...
He's a good young striker, but he won't fulfill his potential unless he's first choice somewhere.
Compare that to Kagawa who obviously, like all #10's or players of his ilk, rely heavily on the system in which they are deployed in. He's struggled this season mostly because of the style we've intended on playing, and only recently have we started to change it a bit, and that's why I think Moyes might have had a change of heart. He's obviously a class player because he was a key part of Dortmunds double winning team 2 years ago. He's much closer to the finished article then Welbeck is, pretty much.
I said our team lacks a player that offers the short option to a pass negating the need to go long, such a player would need to be in a state of constant motion and pass and move. For all of Scholes passing quality he made many safe passes to keep possession, he knew when to try a killer ball.
When Kagawa doesn't play we lack that player offering the short option. When he does goals like the third and moves like that add another dimension to our play since he always tries to make himself available.
Clearly you don't respect football like Barcelona plays and you don't respect players passing and moving. You are content with the football club lacking a player that makes himself available and you are content with our players being forced to play a futile long pass when their is little chance of it being completed because somebody isn't coming nearer to offer an alternative passing route.
I don't care whether it is Kagawa or whether it is somebody else we sign but we need to ensure around the half way line, in our half and also as we enter the final third that short pass is an option.
Kagawa haters for you. I merely point out how we have missed that since Scholes and I get accused of stating Kagawa is like Scholes. I am pointing out something in our football missing and the player that helps solve that one problem. And it's a big problem.
I also love the point regarding an essay. You really should give yourself up to science if you think my post constitutes an essay.
God forbid you tried to read a book
Seen it many many times over the years, players coming in and out of the team, playing flurries of games. Doesnt seem like Kagawa took his last chance, but maybe now he's coming in and getting some new chances, let's hope he takes them
I don't think anyone in here has said Welbeck is average, in fact he's one of the players that would benefit from us going away from hoofball because he's comfortable playing short one touch football. And like a few posts above we have a fantastic potentially interchangeable front four that would give all of our more technical players a go and give us some fluency as soon as Moyes realizes he needs to move away from using Valencia/Young and also considering only using one of Rooney or RVP.
After 26 starts and seeing the same end result, you'd hope that Moyes has finally seen the light. He still has a role in the squad, just not as automatic starter.
I wonder if it means anything that only mentioned them 3, and said nothing about Young and Valencia for the competition of places. Maybe he's finally realized they should be nothing more then squad players, used only to give rests to the starters when we have 3 games a week.
Young. At least he's capable of the odd cracking goal.
Young for me all day
Alternatively:
Moyes on Kagawa: "We have competition for places with Adnan and Mata (Therefore we're looking to invite interest in him ahead of the summer) but (so,) Shinji will play a lot more from now until the end of the season (to get him in that shop window).
After he came on and started passing the ball about nicely several of his teammates started doing the same. A lightbulb went off and they remembered that its not all about crosses.
First bit's fair. Second bit's mental.
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