Oh it's partly his fault for not asserting himself more and taking command of games, but he's hardly ever had a run of games under moyes. The little run he did get seemed so forced from moyes because everyone was bothering him about it and since he was only decent then, he's gone back to the bench. He's been out of favour since the day moyes came to the club and it's pretty evident. Very hard for a player to shine when he knows there's very little chance he'll play in the next game, even if he does well.
"Have a look at himself"
Yes you're right. The mighty premier league is the best league in the world by far and all the others just aren't very good. It's a wonder that the premier league teams are struggling in the champions league when the overall league is so much better then other leagues.
"Have a look at himself"
I don't think he's that rigid. The way we've set up is almost completely the polar opposite of what suits him, and I reckon that would be an uneasy situation for a lot of players. Could he have done better this season? Sure he could. And he's obviously suffering from a lack of confidence too so I'm not suggesting it's all system related, but I think it's important to see things in perspective rather than damning a player and stuffing him into some "needs tailor made team" box without appreciating that this isn't a 2 plus 2 equations and many things play a part.
Just like Kagawa plays on the left of a similarly flat formation with similar tactics and no movement off the ball(talking most of the season here)? Any player of his ilk would struggle. Even mata is nowhere near as good as he can be in our system but he's just a world class player and naturally a bit more direct then Kagawa is so it's a bit different. Players like Kagawa, Ozil, silva, etc. need to play in a fluid passing system which offers plenty of off the ball movement. If there isn't, they'll struggle. Just like silva did for a few years, just like Ozil did for the last few months.
That doesn't even make sense.
Manchester United of the 2013/14 season is clearly a case of a standard too high, mate. Stop watching all these hipster leagues. Were 7th best in league awesome.
It's like they keep telling themselves they are the best then wonder why they always get outclassed when they play one of the truly top teams. It's not a coincidence. People saw Leverkusen lose 5-0 to united so they automatically assumed the league must be shit, just because Bayer are big game bottlers like spurs this season.
Ah, close minded opinions dressed up as facts. That's always convincing.
We are playing in a 4-4-2 (not exactly the classic 442, but still it is a 442 and Kagawa didn't look to had the freedom of going in middle like Mata has). Scholes at the time was an attacking midfielder too.
In which universe Dortmund plays in a lower standard of football then us?
He is a No.10 who in all those games he started in the left has sticked to that position for most of the time. We haven't heard Moyes' instructions so we can't be absolutely sure that he didn't had license to drift in the middle, but considering that he hasn't done that - and he likes to play in the middle - it makes me believe that he didn't had the freedom of going in the middle.
dortmund play a lower standard of football?!
That's arguable. Especially if you take the whole of both leagues into consideration
Have you ever thought that people do this because the system that we play is complete and utter shit? It really isn't fair to judge players like Kagawa, call them shit or flops or whatever when we play in such a system that is completely against their way of playing. We have absolutely no off the ball movement. We pass it around slowly. Most of our players that have played this season for the most part this season are shit technically. They all take ages to pass the ball around. Our primary objective is give it out to the winger to cross it in. How the hell do you think an attacking midfielder like kagawa, Mata, Silva, Ozil, Gotze, or anyone like that, is suppose to look good in those type of tactics? Players like him need to be played in a system where there is off the ball movement, and quick passing. There's no point in blaming them or saying they aren't good enough for United, when they clearly are, they just require United to play the type of football that is suited to a team of our level.
If Moyes wants him to be involved against Olympiakos, then he has to play a good part of the game against Liverpool. There's no way a player not playing for more than month, with a 10 minutes here and there can be ready and influencing game. He needs game time to build up his match sharpness.
twigg you're using your own parameters to judge why the premier league is the best in the world when we know that competitiveness doesnt necessarily mean that one league is better than the other. i just feel like your frustration leaves you making these claims that doesnt really have much backing other than your emotions.
Agreed. I think he might start vs Liverpool as well, or at least he should. He's arguably as good as either Valencia or Young defensively (both are very overrated in that respect, regularly get caught napping and leave their man), and Januzaj has been a bit off form lately. Seeing as our best games this season have come from using a lineup like vs West Brom and Crystal Palace, then Kagawa would be a direct switch for Januzaj, and in the champions league match, he'd be a direct switch for Mata. I just hope Moyes grows some balls and goes for the win in both games, though I can see him going defensive vs Liverpool. Sadly.
