No, he won't get sacked this season, I doubt he'll get sacked straight after this season but somebody's said that he'll have a hard time surviving untill December if he continues getting such shite results and I think that's how it will look like.
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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I think it's safe to assume that results between now and the end of the season will influence whether or not Moyes is in charge at the beginning of next season.
Good post.
I think he was angling towards saying that one game won't make a difference, all of them will.
I'm sure that's always been the plan. Plans change though. Especially in the face of something completely unexpected.
I don't think anyone expected us to be this bad, with so few signs of progress by March/April of the current season.
I want him gone as much as anyone, but United losing, regardless of the speculative implications (Moyes getting the sack) is awful to witness, especially in big games. I don't want us to continue losing, even though I do want a change of manager.
My mind is too much in the short term. Bad results will surely result in Moyes getting the chop eventually, but losing against Liverpool is fecking horrible, as will (probably) getting knocked out of the CL tomorrow, as will getting shitkicked by City in a couple of weeks time. I want us to win all these games.
My mind is too much in the short term. Bad results will surely result in Moyes getting the chop eventually, but losing against Liverpool is fecking horrible, as will (probably) getting knocked out of the CL tomorrow, as will getting shitkicked by City in a couple of weeks time. I want us to win all these games.
You do?
You must have a different interpretation of the phrase "regardless of our results till the end of the season" to me then.
If we lose that might be it for him. I reckon the board is still holding on to some glimmer of hope that he can go all the way to the finals. Or at the very least, it would be the right thing to give him one a fair shot at it instead of letting him have the 'what if' thoughts if we sacked him before the match.
Should be interesting.
Should be interesting.
For tonight,
Best case scenario: Beat Olympiakos and qualify.
If not, I'd rather see us lose again than win 2-1 or draw 1-1.
Simply put, if we are to go out of the CL, I'd rather its in a way that hastens Moyes's exit from the club.
Best case scenario: Beat Olympiakos and qualify.
If not, I'd rather see us lose again than win 2-1 or draw 1-1.
Simply put, if we are to go out of the CL, I'd rather its in a way that hastens Moyes's exit from the club.
Definitely want us to win this match, more than I want us to beat City. At least we'd theoretically have a chance of winning the CL still. Might as well aim high...
Results alone won't change my opinion of Moyes this season. Ideally we'd win this, then replace Moyes with Giggs as caretaker anyway. Then we could hope he does a Di Matteo on it, however unlikely it is.
Obviously won't happen but that would probably be our best option right now.
Results alone won't change my opinion of Moyes this season. Ideally we'd win this, then replace Moyes with Giggs as caretaker anyway. Then we could hope he does a Di Matteo on it, however unlikely it is.
Obviously won't happen but that would probably be our best option right now.
I dont think its possible to make up for what hes done so far and even if we won every game till the summer I dont think we've seen enough progress overall for it to be a salvage job. If the club base their choice on his future on results then he's getting sacked either way.
At the same time its entirely possible he turns it around in the summer and has a decent campaign next season so I dont know for sure he cant do the job. It seems really unlikely, but its possible.
Hopefully we'll make the right choice whatever it is. It seems a lot more likely that the right choice is to try someone new.
I think if we keep up our current run of terrible performances, combined with getting knocked out of the CL and yet another heavy defeat by City then Moyes is in deep do do.
If all of the above happened on the back of Arsenal having put 4 or 5 past then he'd be dead man walking IMO. As AvB found out, owners heavy defeats against title rivals very seriously indeed. Damaging to "the brand"
Completly agree but I still think that the scenario I've written above is the most probable one.
It's a bit of a win win situation for me right now tbh. I know there won't be many admitting it but for me losing the next few important games won't frustrate me anymore. If we lose the sacking of David Moyes who I don't think is ready for this job will come closer. If we win though it will be well... United winning a game. Sth to also be happy about. All in all happy days.
This, either a 3-0 win or 0-3 defeat, nothing in between please.
I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here?
Even if he wins all our remaining games that wouldn't be a sign of genuine progress? Yet you still think it's possible he could turn things round in the summer and do well next season?
I would say winning our remaining games would be a very clear sign that he might eventually turn things round. Conversely, if there's no pick-up in results/performances between now and the end of this season then that's a huge black mark against the possibility of him ever coming good.
How else do the owners make an informed decision about whether to bankroll him in the summer?
Sadly this.
Either a win to go through or another shit performance, with a heavy'ish defeat.
There's been way too many false dawns this season.
I'll never change my stance here, I do not want us to lose. I do not want to tune into a TV for two hours and actively root for the team I support to get beaten, ever. However, in the event that we are losing, and it's obvious we are going to lose, I hope things turn sour as shit out there both on the pitch and from the crowd so it can help get him out of this club sooner.
Sort of agree. Losing the upcoming games would frustrate the hell out of me but if Moyes did then get sacked I think I'd get over it pretty much straight away. I'd be able to write the whole season off as a one off nightmare and look forward to what comes next.
Of the course the real nightmare would be losing the games and still sticking with Moyes. That's what bothers me about these hypothetical scenarios, we have no guarantee he really would go afterwards.
Sorry but I really want us to win even though I want Moyes gone now.
As clarified earlier on in the thread, the assumption would be that once you get to a point of wanting us to lose badly then you wouldn't watch the game. That would be unnecesary masochism. I could definitely see myself getting to a point where I hope we lose games, as badly as possible, but could never see myself watching a game which I didn't want us to win. That would be soul-destroying (and weird)
Agree.
I think it will take the match going fans to really create a septic atmosphere for him to go this season.
Of course its possible he could have a decent season next time. Any manager could. A good start next season and some luck could greatly change the fortunes at the club along with Moyes having more of his own men recruited. I'd call it unlikely but nobody knows for sure that it cant happen.
I think the mark is already completely and utterley black even if we have a good end of the season. Doing brilliantly from now wont give me any more confidence in Moyes. Its far too little far too late. Its something we needed to be seeing at christmas at latest. I'd be surprised and saddened if a couple of games at the end of the season is enough to convince the club he has a future. Either they stick with the idea that our new manager gets 2 seasons, or they make a choice based on whats going on in the here and now. Which is Moyes hasnt done half of enough regardless of the last few games.
I watched the entirety of the Pool game, from viewing here, seems a lot of people tuned out after the third goal. I'll always watch to the bitter end, even if it pains to do so.
I'm desperate for us to go through, winning 1-0 or 3-1 does nothing but prolong the agony under Moyes.
I don't even know why I said that
Just re-read it and I was obviously a bit lost, I'd actually disagree, I think our results will affect it, mainly the game tomorrow tbhDon't think I've ever stopped watching a game, No matter how hopeless things look. Although that's usually because I have an irrational belief that we can somehow turn things round. Different scenario entirely when I want us to lose, from the moment the game kicks off. That would make it unwatchable for me.
One thing thing I would hope for is the matchgoing fans to react if we do get smashed. If we take another serious beating and the fans at the game continue to voice no dissent then it'll just feel like there's a weird disconnect between them and every United fan I know.
A very weird thing to hope for I guess but it would be nice to see that the general consensus here is shared by the matchgoing supporters, even though it really wouldn't be pretty to watch.
A very weird thing to hope for I guess but it would be nice to see that the general consensus here is shared by the matchgoing supporters, even though it really wouldn't be pretty to watch.
Win the tie or just the game? If its the former, I agree totally. If you mean just win the game and yet go out, I'd rather we lost.
6 years. We'll have 6 years of this just to make a point.
I like this. Winning Champions League this season would buy Moyes at least another couple years. Where he has a big trophy to back up that claim for more time and money.
As the season has gone on and Moyes has been able to imbue his philosophy and tactics into the team the worse we have performed.
It is incredible and beyond worrying that we look at our form since Christmas as almost a mirror of Fulham's!
Moyes's rhetoric since day one has been weak and inappropriate. He has looked like a fish out of water for his entire tenure.
The strangest thing about this whole debacle is that Moyes is still in a job.
I am torn. It has got to the point where I don't want to see us stumbling through a couple of results that takes the pressure off Moyes until the next humiliation, continuing the theme of this malaise, but I can't say that I want to see the team lose to get rid of Moyes. I won't lie though, there is a part of me feeling that way.
I mean win the tie. Especially as we'll have no Champions League next season. I'll be desperately disappointed to see us get knocked out.
Fair enough then. I agree.
Nah mate, not a chance. If such shite continues then nobody sane will give him 6 years.
Plus I believe that there are certain things written in his contract that require certain achievements from him after certain periods. If those won't be fulfilled, he'll be shown the doors.
For once I am going to say it. I wish Olympiakos beat us (unless we end up winning the CL by some freak miracle). Its will save us from getting humilated by some big club and may push Moyes out.
Its sad
Its sad
It's very sad. I'm going to support them through thick and thin tomorrow, but deep down I'd prefer us to lose and get beaten well, if Moyes was gone as a result.
tonight? Am i missing something?
Of course I want us to win. But I want us to win badly enough for Moyes to get sacked.
My rational part say that I should stick to the target set in the beginning of the season ie 4th place. If by some miracle he manages to achieve that Ill support him. However feckin hell Id love to smash him face. Mind he seems to be a nice guy, even nicer and more honest than SAF. However its evident that he looks out of depth.\