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I think we all know that Evra will start against City, but after that, I really feel that we should get Evra out of the team and settle on a chosen back four which will play against Bayern. Whoever is going to fill in at left back should be given the maximum opportunity to get familiar with that position and allow the centre backs to build some kind of understanding with them.

My first thought was that it should be Evans who plays at left back, given that he can actually play there, but of course he has a fairly noticeable lack of pace when facing Robben. Also, whilst Rafael would be a good option, especially seeing as Robben will want to come inside onto his left foot, I don't think we can afford to play Jones or Smalling at right back against Ribery.

Clearly, that just leaves Buttner, which is somewhat of a worrying scenario. However, the biggest asset which he has is his pace - even if Robben rinses him repeatedly, he is probably quick enough to recover most of the time. Unfortunately, that might be what we have to settle for against them. It's also important to bear in mind that even if Evra could play, Robben would still most likely have the beating of him, so Buttner may not leave us in a much worse position. My main concern with Buttner would be once he's inside the penalty box, he does have a tendency to give away a lot of fouls.
 
I think that Moyes will double team on Robben and we will be seeing a Young-Buttner combination against Bayern (Hope this is not true though)
 
LLMU said:
I think that Moyes will double team on Robben and we will be seeing a Young-Buttner combination against Bayern (Hope this is not true though)
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Until the RVP injury I was really thinking the best way to approach things would be Rooney on the left, Shinji in the middle and Nani or Welbeck right.

Now? I'd probably go for Welbeck + Buttner on the left, Nani on the right (only wide option we have who can keep Alaba honest and pegged back a bit), Shinji in the middle and Rooney up top. To be honest I think Danny will be up to the task. At the very least you know he'll be giving every bit of effort he's got, and we've seen him shine against the European elite before.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Agree with ya man.

To be successful you need 2 top quality players for every position & of the same ilk for competition for a starting spot & in case of injuries too. You only have to look at how bad Eva had become with no-one challenging him at LB. The same shit can maybe be said about Rafa at times (generally he's a wee dynamo tho), although i've alot more faith in Rafa to defend & get back to defend, than i do with Evra - he's a stroller & thats a disgraceful attitude for a United player & feckin vice-captain aswell..
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Even Barcelona under Pep, in which their most succesful period, didn't have this luxury. Who were their second strings near the quality of Busquets,Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi? They didn't even have quality backup for their whole defence. Our 99's team had backup in Butt and P. Neville who were far from main's team quality.
 
We just love average players don't we? (or to rephrase that, players who can do the job).
 
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Even Barcelona under Pep, in which their most succesful period, didn't have this luxury. Who were their second strings near the quality of Busquets,Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi? They didn't even have quality backup for their whole defence. Our 99's team had backup in Butt and P. Neville who were far from main's team quality.
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Barca's best players never seemed to get injured during their highly successful seasons & they played pretty much every game domestically & then in Europe. That doesnt happen in England because its a much more physical league compared to La Liga & players need to be rotated, not to mention the fact that in Spain, Germany, Italy, France etc. all have a winter break of over a month, so thats a massive advantage over English football. Players there get a massive rest to recharge themselves & clear up any niggles they may have.

The top-8 in the Prem all have cover for each position. The top-4 will have increased or top quality back-ups because their season demands it if they want success of some nature!

Its hard to gauge how good Butters is as cover because we havent really seen him play against a really top-side - i cant remember anyway, but left-back is an achilles heal for us & Butters coming in to do a job on Ribery / Robben is a frightening thought - Evra would have a similar effect too in fairness..

Evans could play there, but was injured for the Hammers game, so i dont know the extent of that. Regardless of that, Evans has no pace &
it would be suicide for him to bomb forward too much, if at all.

So Butters looks like our only option for the Bayern game unless Moyes has some masterplan that we dont know about. Problem is, is he anyway near match fitness?! He hasnt played all season & has only 8 games in total under his belt since joining us in 2012, so should we stick him in against City & get him up to speed of the intensity he'll expect against Bayern & play him against Villa on Sat or wrap him in cottonwool, playin Evra instead?
 
devilish said:
We just love average players don't we? (or to rephrase that, players who can do the job).
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Makes us feel better about ourselves when we see these "average players" gettin game time. We think to ourselves that we're better than that shite when we're knockin a ball around. I think most of us have had that thought many times when Cleverly has played this season. I could pass a ball sideways & back all day every fecking day.

Its a bit like women watchin Eastenders - it makes them feel that their lives are much better than they originally thought :wenger:. It funny to point out to them now & again (for a laugh of course): "no love - your life is just as shit, if not shitter.."
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Makes us feel better about ourselves when we see these "average players" gettin game time. We think to urselves that we're better than that shite when we're knockin a ball around. I think most of us have had that thought many times when Cleverly has played this season. I could pass a ball sideways & back all day every fecking day.

Its a bit like women watchin Eastenders - it makes them feel that their lives are much better than they originally thought :wenger:. It funny to point out to them now & again (for a laugh of course): "no love - your life is just as shit, if not shitter.."
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I cant understand this obsession. You say that the likes of Quinton Fortune and John OShea aren't exactly what comes to mind as a United player and people go berzerk. Some will point how ungrateful I am for talking badly about these so called brilliant servants. Which is kind of strange. I mean how can anyone actually say that they were loyal in the first place? Its not as if Real or Barcelona has stepped in, offering them a blank cheque only for them to turn it down just to play for our club. These players should thank their lucky stars that they ended up with a club like Manchester United instead of, erm, the likes of Sunderland or Bolton.

Returning to Buttner, I often wonder if he would get the same amount of criticism if the guy happened to be British or Irish.
 
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devilish said:
I cant understand this obsession. You say that the likes of Quinton Fortune and John OShea aren't exactly what comes to mind as a United player and people go berzerk. Some will point how ungrateful I am for talking badly about these so called brilliant servants. Which is kind of strange. I mean how can anyone actually say that they were loyal in the first place? Its not as if Real or Barcelona has stepped in, offering them a blank cheque only for them to turn it down just to play for our club. These players should thank their lucky stars that they ended up with a club like Manchester United instead of, erm, the likes of Sunderland or Bolton.

Returning to Buttner, I often wonder if he would get the same amount of criticism if the guy happened to be British or Irish.
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I think its hard to keep top players happy on the bench, not to mention not even making the matchday squad, so i think what Fergie did was have average / above average players who wouldnt complain with being 2nd string, but who also got a fair share of games. Fergie also played on the idea that even a 2nd string player would be proud to say he was a United player & would be driven to stay at the club. Those fringe players wouldnt be on bad money anyway & probably wouldnt make anything near those sums at another club. He most certainly fecked up with Pogba in that regard thats for sure, but thats another story & there's 2 sides to it anyway!

I dont think Buttner gets much criticism at all Dev - does he?

He's only played about 8 games in 2 years & most havent had the chance to make their kinds up on him - i know i havent anyway!

From what i've seen, he looks a decent enough player goin forward, tracks back & gets stuck in too. There'd be a few lower / newly promoted Prem clubs interested in him if he was for sale i reckon. Gonna have to watch the Hammers game again & pay more attention to his general play. I got side-tracked by West Hams utter shiteness...
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Would be a better test if he plays against City
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I think he has to play against City if Moyes is gonna play him against Bayern..

It would be madness throwing him cold into a game of that magnitude. It would do him the world of good if he has a decent game too..

Would be fecked up for Butters if Moyes plays Evra tomorrow night & on Sat against Villa, then plays Giggsy at LB against Bayern :eek:
 
Red Hand Devil said:
I think its hard to keep top players happy on the bench, not to mention not even making the matchday squad, so i think what Fergie did was have average / above average players who wouldnt complain with being 2nd string, but who also got a fair share of games. Fergie also played on the idea that even a 2nd string player would be proud to say he was a United player & would be driven to stay at the club. Those fringe players wouldnt be on bad money anyway & probably wouldnt make anything near those sums at another club. He most certainly fecked up with Pogba in that regard thats for sure, but thats another story & there's 2 sides to it anyway!

I dont think Buttner gets much criticism at all Dev - does he?

He's only played about 8 games in 2 years & most havent had the chance to make their kinds up on him - i know i havent anyway!

From what i've seen, he looks a decent enough player goin forward, tracks back & gets stuck in too. There'd be a few lower / newly promoted Prem clubs interested in him if he was for sale i reckon. Gonna have to watch the Hammers game again & pay more attention to his general play. I got side-tracked by West Hams utter shiteness...
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That's true and things have become more complicated with the homegrown players rule, which encourages nationality over talent. However I struggle to understand the idolisation of these sort of players. Take OShea as an example. Seriously, do you think that this guy would have won anything in his life without Manchester United? The club developed him, he gave him the unique opportunity to play against the best players in the world (closing an eye whenever his limitations were exposed) and ended up winning loads of honours. We can safely assume that we could have lived without him. However would he had such a great career without us? If you ask me, saying that these sort of players are legends is a bit of an insult towards real legends like Ryan Giggs who had refused blank cheques to stay at United and had given United more then a decade of magnificent football. I am pretty sure that many players at mid EPL table club would gladly swap their career with that of the likes of Fortune, OShea and Philip Neville.

If you ask me, Buttner moved away from Holland too early. A year or two playing regular football would have done him alot of good. However while he's not a magnificent player Id rather risk him then having some other player playing out of position. He certainly have more experience as LB then anyone whose available.
 
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That's true and things have become more complicated with the homegrown players rule, which encourages nationality over talent. However I struggle to understand the idolisation of these sort of players. Take OShea. Do you think that he would won anything without Manchester United? However would United win anything without OShea? If you ask me, saying that these players are legends is a bit of an insult towards real legends like Ryan Giggs who had refused blank cheques to stay at United and had given United more then a decade of magnificent football. I am pretty sure that many average players would gladly swap their career with that of the likes of Fortune, OShea and Philip Neville.

If you ask me, Buttner moved away from Holland too early. A year or two playing regular football would have done him alot of good. However while he's not a magnificent player Id rather risk him then having some other player playing out of position. He certainly have more experience as LB then anyone whose available.
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There's no doubting any of that 1st paragraph man :devil:

"Good servant to the club" is good recognition that the player did his best when called upon & was a valued member of that squad - its a traditional footballing term. Players like Djembe Djembe, Kleberson, Veron etc. to name but a few, wouldnt be mentioned in that category, so it does mean something with being called a good servant in all honesty.

I think O'Shea deserves the ironic legend status title for scoring the winner against Liverpool in front of the Kop, in the same way Jerzy Dudek is a United legend for his goofs against us. Do you remember the poll many years ago regarding the top-ten United players of the last 10 years & Jerzy Dudek was on it, as voted by us lot :lol:

Buttner may have left a bit early, but we needed cover & he was scouted. If United realised he wasnt up to scratch to be used in more games since he arrived, its another transfer feck up by all accounts. I think whoever scouted him must have thought he looked like a tough fast wee bastard with all his tattoo's & looked good in an average league..

I think he should start against Bayern so we've no complaining to do, when Evans gets his arse served for pace by Robben or Ribery. And should start against City aswell to get him up to scratch... You never know - he might surprise us with solid shifts in all these games coming up...
 
Red Hand Devil said:
There's no doubting any of that 1st paragraph man :devil:

"Good servant to the club" is good recognition that the player did his best when called upon & was a valued member of that squad - its a footballing tradition. Players like Djembe Djembe, Kleberson, Veron etc. to name but a few, wouldnt be mentioned in that category, so it does mean something with being called a good servant in all honesty.

I think O'Shea deserves the ironic legend status title for scoring the winner against Liverpool in front of the Kop, in the same way Jerzy Dudek is a United legend for his goofs against us. Do you remember the poll many years ago regarding the top-ten United players of the last 10 years & Jerzy Dudek was on it, as voted by us lot :lol:

Buttner may have left a bit early, but we needed cover & he was scouted. If United realised he wasnt up to scratch to be used in more games since he arrived, its another transfer feck up by all accounts. I think whoever scouted him must have thought he looked like a tough fast wee bastard with all his tattoo's & looked good in an average league..

I think he should start against Bayern so we've no complaining to do, when Evans gets his arse served for pace by Robben or Ribery. And should start against City aswell to get him up to scratch... You never know - he might surprise us with solid shifts in all these games coming up...
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I still disagree with the 'good servant to the club' thing, though. Players like OShea were certainly not a failure like Djemba * 2 was. However, doing your best when called upon isn't exactly something to be recognised for. I am pretty sure that Djemba * 2 didn't came at OT saying, "right, I wont be doing my very best to succeed here as I dont want to be a valued member of a squad that will bring to me honours and plenty of money". The difference between OShea and Djemba is that the former managed to be useful to his employees (I guess having pro homegrown rules + knowing the club (including the gaffer)) for more then a decade does help) while the other wasn't that lucky. Also this fetishness about keeping hold to players just because they scored an important goal is kind of stupid. Its rumoured that Robins was crucial in saving SAF career. While we're glad for it, that doesn't truly justify a player's remaining at OT or being giving some special recognition for it. The man was there at the right time at the right place.

If I remember well, when we signed Buttner, Evra was still in cyborg mode (ie playing ridiculously good, game after game, without ever getting injured or need some kind of rest). In many ways his deal was similar to the Rai Van Del Gouw, ie we needed a cheap cover for a player who, back at the time, was simply irreplaceable and too good to even consider bringing a player capable to compete against him. The only difference is that while Rai was the finished product, Buttner needed games to improve, something United never gave him the opportunity to do. It kind of sad, because with Evra showing clear signs of decline I cant see United's utility for Buttner any longer, especially if the club decides to spend ridiculous amount of money on a young full back (ex Shaw).
 
devilish said:
I still disagree with the 'good servant to the club' thing, though. Players like OShea were certainly not a failure like Djemba * 2 was. However, doing your best when called upon isn't exactly something to be recognised for. I am pretty sure that Djemba * 2 didn't came at OT saying, "right, I wont be doing my very best to succeed here as I dont want to be a valued member of a squad that will bring to me honours and plenty of money". The difference between OShea and Djemba is that the former managed to be useful to his employees (I guess having pro homegrown rules + knowing the club (including the gaffer)) for more then a decade does help) while the other wasn't that lucky. Also this fetishness about keeping hold to players just because they scored an important goal is kind of stupid. Its rumoured that Robins was crucial in saving SAF career. While we're glad for it, that doesn't truly justify a player's remaining at OT or being giving some special recognition for it. The man was there at the right time at the right place.

If I remember well, when we signed Buttner, Evra was still in cyborg mode (ie playing ridiculously good, game after game, without ever getting injured or need some kind of rest). In many ways his deal was similar to the Rai Van Del Gouw, ie we needed a cheap cover for a player who, back at the time, was simply irreplaceable and too good to even consider bringing a player capable to compete against him. The only difference is that while Rai was the finished product, Buttner needed games to improve, something United never gave him the opportunity to do. It kind of sad, because with Evra showing clear signs of decline I cant see United's utility for Buttner any longer, especially if the club decides to spend ridiculous amount of money on a young full back (ex Shaw).
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Jesus man, you're a tad harsh here about less fancied players & you're twistin my words.

I wasnt alluding that O'Shea was kept on because he scored against Pool. John O'Shea was a utility player & a decent one at that, same as Phil & Wes. O'Shea could play all across the back-four & played in midfield too. Heck he even played as a striker & a goalkeeper too.. He wasnt great, but he filled in gaps when asked, same as Wes & Phil.

Djembe Djembe was absolute rubbish, same as Kleberson. They were let go because they were useless - not because they hadnt known the gaffer for 10years. Robins was let go because he wasnt United quality.

Every team has lesser quality players than starters...
 
Red Hand Devil said:
I think he has to play against City if Moyes is gonna play him against Bayern..

It would be madness throwing him cold into a game of that magnitude. It would do him the world of good if he has a decent game too..

Would be fecked up for Butters if Moyes plays Evra tomorrow night & on Sat against Villa, then plays Giggsy at LB against Bayern :eek:
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Goes both way. If the Buttman has a stinker against City, his confidence might easily be shot and we'll be much better served playing the ball boy as LB against Bayern.

Versus just throw him there against Bayern and pray he'll play like superman on adrenaline.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Jesus man,

you're a tad harsh here about less fancied players & you're twistin my words.

I wasnt alluding that O'Shea was kept on because he scored against Pool. John O'Shea was a utility player & a decent one at that, same as Phil & Wes. O'Shea could play all across the back-four & played in midfield too. Heck he even played as a striker & a goalkeeper too.. He wasnt great, but he filled in gaps when asked, same as Wes & Phil.

Djembe Djembe was absolute rubbish, same as Kleberson. They were let go because they were useless - not because they hadnt known the gaffer for 10years. Robins was let go because he wasnt United quality.

Every team has lesser quality players than starters...
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Sincere apologies if I gave you that impression. I am actually enjoying discussing football with you as its well thought and away from the biased argument usually posted in here.

SAF mentioned both Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson in his autobiography and had specifically mentioned the latter inability to settle in United's culture which was heavily influenced (if not completely built) by SAF's himself. So in a way, OShea was in clear advantage over these players since he knew the culture well. The homegrown talent rule also played in his advantage.

I totally agree with your last line. However, I feel that United fans tend to celebrate the club's squad players much more then other clubs do.
 
December_16 said:
Goes both way. If the Buttman has a stinker against City, his confidence might easily be shot and we'll be much better served playing the ball boy as LB against Bayern.

Versus just throw him there against Bayern and pray he'll play like superman on adrenaline.
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"The Buttman" :lol: I like it... Catchy.. I'd say Rio et al, call him something like "Buzza"..

Think we should just take a chance on him for the City game, its worth a punt man. Evra's gonna be found out a few times anyway, but we know what we'll get with him. Buttboy - we havent friggin clue what to expect. There's always the Villa game on Sat to chuck him in, but a run of consecutive games could be a huge benefit. Either way - Danny has to play on the left due to his workrate & to give City's right-side something to think about. He should be a shoe-in on the left for most games..
 
devilish said:
Sincere apologies if I gave you that impression. I am actually enjoying discussing football with you as its well thought and away from the biased argument usually posted in here.

SAF mentioned both Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson in his autobiography and had specifically mentioned the latter inability to settle in United's culture which was heavily influenced (if not completely built) by SAF's himself. So in a way, OShea was in clear advantage over these players since he knew the culture well. The homegrown talent rule also played in his advantage.

I totally agree with your last line. However, I feel that United fans tend to celebrate the club's squad players much more then other clubs do.
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Ah sorry man, no need to apologise whatsoever. Just lost in translation.. And thanks man, great to rattle on about footie with you too :cool:

There's no point living in a cloud thinkin United are feckin brilliant all the time & never slate a players shift. Same goes with the Manager. No-one's bigger than the club (if you pardon the pun). My best mate (a Toffee) always used to shite on that i'm so biased, yet i was completely the opposite. I just defended the team because it was growing & i could see massive potential with a bitta tinkering. My main point then was that winning the Carling Cup in 05-06 is a great platform for the players to grow.. i got laughed outta town. Look how that turned out eh?! :devil:

I agree, any player from these Isles have a clear advantage over foreigners comin to a club like United. How many players from these Isles go abroad - nevermind young players? It doesnt happen much! Those young foreign lads are game as hell & are excited about experiencing a new culture, so i've total respect for them in that sense. I remember the footage of Ronnie signing for us. I thought to myself - thats a big life-changer for him & he's only 18.

Gotta mention Buttner here. Great player - great tatts... :D
 
O'Shea was an underrated player. He looked like a potential world-beater in 02/03 at left back and was great going forward and then had a bit of second season syndrome in 03/04 and 04/05 as he was rotated and the team was generally crap.

From then 05/06 he had a great midfield pairing with Giggs in the second half of the season and was solid cover at full back after that. Towards the end of his career here, he was actually starting games more often than not.

We've actually not replaced him as competent cover for Evra, we miss his ability to slot into both full back positions and not look out of place against any team.
 
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O'Shea was an underrated player. He looked like a potential world-beater in 02/03 at left back and was great going forward and then had a bit of second season syndrome in 03/04 and 04/05 as he was rotated and the team was generally crap.

From then 05/06 he had a great midfield pairing with Giggs in the second half of the season and was solid cover at full back after that. Towards the end of his career here, he was actually starting games more often than not.

We've actually not replaced him as competent cover for Evra, we miss his ability to slot into both full back positions and not look out of place against any team.
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Aye - me & Devilish were discussing O'Shea's greatness & we both agreed he was a "Great servant to the club..." :smirk:
 
In regards to having two world class options at left back, not all teams have that.
  • Arsenal: Monreal
  • Chelsea: no one; they force Azpi into that role (Mourinho shouldn't have sold Bertrand, IMO).
  • Man. City: Kolarov/Clichy (both get rotated quite a bit)
  • Real Madrid: Coentrao.
  • Atletico Madrid: Insua
  • Barcelona: Adriano
  • Bayern Munich: Contento
  • Borussia Dortmund: Durm
Out of all of those teams, only Man. City, Barcelona, and Real Madrid have good 2nd left backs (Man. City is arguable because both Clichy and Kolarov aren't the best, defensively). Man. City and Real Madrid offer their backup players a substantial amount of money compared to what they previously earned for their former teams, hence making it easier for them to have great backup players. With Barcelona, however, they just got a good player who's happy to play for Barcelona and won't want to move out unless Barcelona don't want him, anymore.

The reason why the rest are rarely mentioned is because their first-team left backs are at their peaks rather than old/in decline like Evra. As a 2nd left back, Buttner isn't that bad when compared to the rest. However, we don't have a world class/great starting left back with Fabio now gone, hence why Buttner seems to be more scrutinised than the likes of Insua, Durm, Contento, and Monreal.
 
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Another solid performance.

Two of his crosses today were very good. It's annoying that there's no one to connect with them...
 
Credit where it's due: he was one of our top performers today. He shares the 3rd spot with Mata and Fellaini today for me.

I genuinely think he's been decent under Moyes. I don't mind having him as a reserve fullback at all. It's kind of like with Lindegaard, who's a great keeper to have on the bench.
 
He's alright during attack but I wouldn't dare to put him against Robben. He'll get slaughtered repeatedly. Albrighton went past him twice as if there was no one. Combined well with different players today and looked confident with the ball. Decent performance
 
Cannot be serious. Albrighton assassinated him, beating him and getting the ball in any time he wanted to. Made him look like a world class winger
 
Could be terrifying on Tuesday. Maybe Giggs there would be better, even with his old legs.
 
Think the last two comments are harsh on him.

Albrighton did beat him a few times but United were in control of the game for the most part and it was not like we were waiting for them to score. The best chance involving Buttner was the Benteke header.

Going forward, he did well. Composed on the ball, decent dribbler and capable of putting in a decent cross.

He also played reasonably well against West Ham.

I'm not sold on him being good enough as a back up player but it's hard playing zero football and then being expected to instantly pick up the pace. He's going to look rusty and lacking sharpness. I think that explains some of Albrighton beating today when he was just beaten for pace rather than when he dived in.

There's obvious weaknesses with him defensively. His positioning is oft suspect, his decision making is not good and he's to easily beaten one on one, often because he dives in and is rash. For me, I can't see why all of that can't be improved with coaching and experience, especially defending in one on one situations.

I also think if United were better organised and had more confidence he would not be exposed as much. Put him in that 08/09 back four with the likes of Carrick and Fletcher in the team and I bet he would look a lot better.

Admittedly Buttner is 25, so hardly young, but I am under the impression he has only been converted to a full back in the last few seasons from left wing and let's face he's hardly played for the last two seasons. There's some scope for improvement defensively with him.

His attacking game for a full back is more than good enough.

I can't see United signing a new first choice left back and another back up left back, so I think he's our back up for the foreseeable.
 
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Winrar said:
Looking forward to Buttner vs Robben... :nervous:
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Of course it likely to be an issue. I think Rafael or Evra versus Robben would be an issue given the lack of organisation collectively in the side against the top sides we have faced this season.
 
He is still trying that stupid move where he rolls the ball under his studs and goes nowhere. I honestly can't think of any reason why he does that other than that he thinks he looks 'cool' doing it.
 
Seems to be able to convince some posters with that meaningless move. He was okay coming forward, a couple of decent bits of play, some poor ones. But defensively he was rash, almost went past boiling point when he was booked and put his head against Albrighton. Then was beat time and again. Albrighton was allowed to cross the ball 11 times, the majority of the time with Buttner supposed to be the one tracking and blocking him although he did wander onto both wings. Not every cross came from the right. Still, Buttner had no answer and expect a lot more of the same against players twice as good than Albrighton
 
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Seems to be able to convince some posters with that meaningless move. He was okay coming forward, a couple of decent bits of play, some poor ones. But defensively he was rash, almost went past boiling point when he was booked and put his head against Albrighton. Then was beat time and again. Albrighton was allowed to cross the ball 11 times, the majority of the time with Buttner supposed to be the one tracking and blocking him although he did wander onto both wings. Not every cross came from the right. Still, Buttner had no answer and expect a lot more of the same against players twice as good than Albrighton
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I think he just needs to mature more. With a bit of guidance from Evra, I think he can become a regular!

We seem to be one of the team that are just clueless on transition. Be it CEO or manager or players, it's just use, drop, struggle and buy. The fact that we still have not moved away from Giggs/Scholes is a testament to the gap in club's mentality around transition.

This mix n match should stop.
 
Mature more? He's 25 and doesn't know how to play left back yet. He's a bit better coming forward which is no surprise as he was a winger thrown into defence. Begs the question, why didnt he make it as a winger? Its definitely not because his club felt they could be more solid with him at the back
 
He'll never become good enough to be a consistent starter but if he can somehow mature enough to be a decent backup then it will save us a bit of money. Not holding my breath mind.
 
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He is still trying that stupid move where he rolls the ball under his studs and goes nowhere. I honestly can't think of any reason why he does that other than that he thinks he looks 'cool' doing it.
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He's studying Evra in training too much. He started those stupid, meaningless drag-backs for us years ago. Never saw the point in them.
 
P.S Those of you wishing for Büttner to start on Tuesday are masochistic fücks.

Mark Fücking Albrighton mugged him off yesterday. A guy who was thrown out of Villa Park recently on loan as he wasn't up to standard.

It'll be a massacre against Bayern if Lahm/Rafinha and Robben are in the groove.
 
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