Mozilla CEO "resigns"

This is all a bit silly. I fully support gay marriage and think anyone against it is a **** but they are entitled to their political views.

Of course this just happens to get OK Cupid a lot of exposure in the press, but I'm sure they started the campaign purely for ideological reasons ;).
 
Anyone knowledgeable about law know if there's any grounds for constructive dismissal here?
 
Having different thoughts to someone else isn't illegal. Being a bell end isn't illegal. He has essentially done nothing wrong. Just because he is a bell end of a person does not mean that his company and their employees have to suffer because his opinion differs to anybody elses.
 
Having different thoughts to someone else isn't illegal. Being a bell end isn't illegal. He has essentially done nothing wrong. Just because he is a bell end of a person does not mean that his company and their employees have to suffer because his opinion differs to anybody elses.

Then maybe he and his company shouldn't have resigned or a accepted it.
 
Having different thoughts to someone else isn't illegal. Being a bell end isn't illegal. He has essentially done nothing wrong. Just because he is a bell end of a person does not mean that his company and their employees have to suffer because his opinion differs to anybody elses.

But, again, no one's saying what he did was illegal. That wasn't why he was forced to step down. In any case, other people have to suffer because his opinion differs from theirs - viz., the victims of Prop 8 in California - our opinions have consequences, and he's facing them now.

Societies across the world have reached a point where holding homophobic views is no longer just an unpopular opinion, like believing that the poor should have to pay more taxes. We've reached the point where holding a homophobic viewpoint is akin to holding a racist one: would people have any doubt whatsoever about the propriety of Eich's dismissal if he'd donated to Stormfront or something?

As usual, Ross Douthat says it best:

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"But there’s another possibility, in which the oft-invoked analogy between opposition to gay marriage and support for segregation in the 1960s South is pushed to its logical public-policy conclusion. In this scenario, the unwilling photographer or caterer would be treated like the proprietor of a segregated lunch counter, and face fines or lose his business — which is the intent of recent legal actions against a wedding photographer in New Mexico, a florist in Washington State, and a baker in Colorado.

Meanwhile, pressure would be brought to bear wherever the religious subculture brushed up against state power. Religious-affiliated adoption agencies would be closed if they declined to place children with same-sex couples. (This has happened in Massachusetts and Illinois.) Organizations and businesses that promoted the older definition of marriage would face constant procedural harassment, along the lines suggested by the mayors who battled with Chick-fil-A. And, eventually, religious schools and colleges would receive the same treatment as racist holdouts like Bob Jones University, losing access to public funds and seeing their tax-exempt status revoked.

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What makes this response particularly instructive is that such bills have been seen, in the past, as a way for religious conservatives to negotiate surrender — to accept same-sex marriage’s inevitability while carving out protections for dissent. But now, apparently, the official line is that you bigots don’t get to negotiate anymore."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/opinion/sunday/the-terms-of-our-surrender.html?_r=0
 
Sorry, just to be clear - are you saying that they aren't viewed as such or are you saying that they are not equal in the "laws of nature"?

Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.
 
Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.


What's your point?
 
Having different thoughts to someone else isn't illegal. Being a bell end isn't illegal. He has essentially done nothing wrong. Just because he is a bell end of a person does not mean that his company and their employees have to suffer because his opinion differs to anybody elses.

Homosexuals and others who are for same rights for everyone have every right o boycott any product or company to help their cause. It is not about just one person, it is the CEO of the company, the man who wields most power in day to day operations. There is no way you can be certain that he does not discriminate against homosexual employees given his actions. Infact it is more likely he does since he does not believe they should have same rights as straight people.
 
What's your point?

From my previous post: that homosexual relationships are not biologically or socially equivalent to heterosexual relationships. That they're not integral to the existence of human beings as hetero relationships are, and don't have the same meaning, purpose or status.
 
Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.

Well if Jurassic Park taught us anything it is that Nature Finds a way.
 
So then marriages in which one spouse has a vasectomy or is infertile don't have the same meaning as marriages of fully healthy people. And the old couple celebrating their 60th anniversary don't have the same meaning as whatever Kardashian is getting married this week.
 
From my previous post: that homosexual relationships are not biologically or socially equivalent to heterosexual relationships. That they're not integral to the existence of human beings as hetero relationships are, and don't have the same meaning, purpose or status.

You don't need to be married to have a kid.
 
From my previous post: that homosexual relationships are not biologically or socially equivalent to heterosexual relationships. That they're not integral to the existence of human beings as hetero relationships are, and don't have the same meaning, purpose or status.

1) The meaning, purpose and status are all attributes defined by humans. None of them - even procreation - are by nature integral to marriage which is just a social construct.
2) Marriage is not integral to the existence of human beings. Furthermore, breaking it down to that basic reason when heterosexual people get married (and especially) stay married for a wide range of awesome reasons that don't include sex or procreation is belittling the idea of marriage surely?
3) Not really important to my point but they might well be integral to the existence of human beings if humans carry on having too many children.
 
Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.

I'd recommend getting on that island because you are entering treacherous waters. You never know, you might enjoy yourself.
 
What does JavaScript do, would okcupid use it.
 
Homosexuals and others who are for same rights for everyone have every right o boycott any product or company to help their cause. It is not about just one person, it is the CEO of the company, the man who wields most power in day to day operations. There is no way you can be certain that he does not discriminate against homosexual employees given his actions. Infact it is more likely he does since he does not believe they should have same rights as straight people.

He is as equally entitled to his views and opinions as anybody else on this planet. As different as they are to what the rest of us believe in, he is entitled to them. It's not a crime, and it doesn't mean he should be unemployed.
 
He's not entitled to be a CEO of a major company.

Wrong. I don't know what legal backing you could possibly justify that with. A personal opinion is a personal opinion. He is entitled to those views no matter how you feel about it. Just because he's wrong, doesn't change that.

He advanced to his position through his merits and achievements in his field. That shouldn't change because you disagree on an opinion he holds that's completely separate to his business or product.
 
He is as equally entitled to his views and opinions as anybody else on this planet. As different as they are to what the rest of us believe in, he is entitled to them. It's not a crime, and it doesn't mean he should be unemployed.
I would rather bigoted people feel the pain for their views
 
Wrong. I don't know what legal backing you could possibly justify that with. A personal opinion is a personal opinion. He is entitled to those views no matter how you feel about it. Just because he's wrong, doesn't change that.

He advanced to his position through his merits and achievements in his field. That shouldn't change because you disagree on an opinion he holds that's completely separate to his business or product.

He's entitled to the job as long as his employers want to have him. If they no longer want his services, there are legal ways of removing him from that position. One of those is a settlement and resignation, which happened here.



We might be talking past each other but it really sounds like you think this is a legal or free speech issue. It's not.
 
Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.

This is it, guys. This is the one. We've finally reached rock bottom. RedCafe can only go up from here.
 
He's entitled to the job as long as his employers want to have him. If they no longer want his services, there are legal ways of removing him from that position. One of those is a settlement and resignation, which happened here.



We might be talking past each other but it really sounds like you think this is a legal or free speech issue. It's not.

Employment is a legal issue.
 
Well if Jurassic Park taught us anything it is that Nature Finds a way.

It taught us so many things. But perhaps if dinosaurs and people can't live in harmony, then neither can gay and heterosexual people?

That isn't representative of my own personal opinions of course; I think gay people should be combined with frog DNA like the dinosaurs were, then they can multiply and prosper and eventually rule the world as their dinosaur predecessors once did. What I am trying to say is I am all for homosexuality.
 
Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.

From my previous post: that homosexual relationships are not biologically or socially equivalent to heterosexual relationships. That they're not integral to the existence of human beings as hetero relationships are, and don't have the same meaning, purpose or status.

These are the worst two posts I have ever read on this forum. Kudos, Will Absolute, for posting the greatest load of drivel this forum will ever see.

I was going to put up counter-points for everything in here and then I just... couldn't be bothered. It wasn't remotely worth it.

Your implication that heterosexual marriages exist solely for the purpose of procreation is staggeringly offensive. How very Catholic.
 
Shouldn't : Not agreeing in same sex marriage is equally a right as the opposite of agreeing in same sex marriage?

It's not set in stone in many parts of the country, just like we can agree with political views, surely disagreeing on something on a personal level can not be deemed as a sackable offence?
 
Shouldn't : Not agreeing in same sex marriage is equally a right as the opposite of agreeing in same sex marriage?

It's not set in stone in many parts of the country, just like we can agree with political views, surely disagreeing on something on a personal level can not be deemed as a sackable offence?

Part of the job of a CEO is to ensure that the company stays profitable and the share value continues to grow with the company. Anything he does or says that could hurt these objectives, well the board will ask you to leave won't they. Plus the CEO is the public face of the company, so what people think about him/her is what they will often think about the company.
 
Part of the job of a CEO is to ensure that the company stays profitable and the share value continues to grow with the company. Anything he does or says that could hurt these objectives, well the board will ask you to leave won't they. Plus the CEO is the public face of the company, so what people think about him/her is what they will often think about the company.

I said earlier, he got to that position by merit. To remove him because some flaming liberals in San Francisco started bitching over their organic lattes... bit myopic. But he gets a substantial payoff, so everyone's laughing at the end of the day. Except Mozilla.
 
Unnecessary to invoke the "laws of nature", common sense will suffice.

Strand 1000 male homosexuals on a paradisiacal South Sea island, complete with all the requirements to sustain comfortable life, and a gay minister to perform marriage ceremonies.

Come back in 100 years.

Uninhabited island.

From my previous post: that homosexual relationships are not biologically or socially equivalent to heterosexual relationships. That they're not integral to the existence of human beings as hetero relationships are, and don't have the same meaning, purpose or status.

Well this escalated quickly.
 
These are the worst two posts I have ever read on this forum. Kudos, Will Absolute, for posting the greatest load of drivel this forum will ever see.

I was going to put up counter-points for everything in here and then I just... couldn't be bothered. It wasn't remotely worth it.

Your implication that heterosexual marriages exist solely for the purpose of procreation is staggeringly offensive. How very Catholic.

Is that really called for?
 
Not sure if he's Catholic or not but what has he said that's so wrong?

Besides the implication that all Catholics believe heterosexual marriages exist solely for the purpose of procreation?

It's an antiquated cliche I didn't think was necessary. Those were stupid posts and Count Orduck was absolutely right to call him out on it. The problem with that was, they were stupid posts because they were based on a sweeping, myopic generalization based on the logic of a past era - much like the notion that Catholics see their wives as baby machines and their husbands as sperm donors.
 
I read a commentary piece in which the position he found himself it was probably similar to a position of a CEO who opposed inter-racial marriage in the 1960s. Of course he's entitled to that view but people are entitled to oppose it. If customers/partners and shareholders vote with their feet then that's his tough luck.
 
Besides the implication that all Catholics believe heterosexual marriages exist solely for the purpose of procreation?

It's an antiquated cliche I didn't think was necessary. Those were stupid posts and Count Orduck was absolutely right to call him out on it. The problem with that was, they were stupid posts because they were based on a sweeping, myopic generalization based on the logic of a past era - much like the notion that Catholics see their wives as baby machines and their husbands as sperm donors.

The Catholic church still believe that don't they? Another conversion on another forum discussing this subject and it seems its still a held belief among Catholics it seems.
 
The Catholic church still believe that don't they? Another conversion on another forum discussing this subject and it seems its still a held belief among Catholics it seems.

I assure you, we most definitely do not. Are you referring to the Rite of Holy Matrimony/Rite of Marriage, which sets out that "the matrimonial covenant... is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring?" It's about as relevant to us as the kinds of laws you read about in "World's Strangest Laws" lists, like those banning the walking of elephants in the street and such. It's a historical relic.

Anyone whipping out the "marriage is for making babies!" line is most likely doing so just to justify his or her own homophobia. They don't - at least I hope they don't - go back home and make love to their spouses with the monotony of a factory worker trying to complete a particularly complicated widget.