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Shinji Kagawa
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I'm looking forward to watching him at the World Cup. The Japanese usually play some nice stuff.
Some contradictions here, if Moyes buys Mata to who plays in his position and you complain, then why do you complain about Young who does not play in his position ??
He. Has. Always. Played. More. Than. Young.
How does September work for you? He started against WBA in arguably our worst performance of the season.
Might have even been earlier than then. Will have to check.
I'd disagree there, hes been unfairly critised a fair few times, infact on a occasions where he has played average, much like the whole team, he'll still be picked out for critique. Though he's certainly added consistency to his game, coinsiding with being picked regularly, not the other way around I'd hasten to add.
I just don't understand why we go over the top in our praise or criticism of players (Fellaini is justified ).
Although our best player on the night with his possession, neat passing, tracking back, I don't remember him scoring, making an assist, making a spectacular goal line clearance. Am I missing something obvious here?
). Although our best player on the night with his possession, neat passing, tracking back, I don't remember him scoring, making an assist, making a spectacular goal line clearance. Am I missing something obvious here?
Not in the PL. That's still the biggest tournament with the most games.
Premier League starts for our wingers and AMs:
1. Valencia(18)
2. Januzaj(13)
3. Young(12)
4. Kagawa(10)
I excluded Nani, Giggs and Welbeck. Nani and Giggs because they've barely featured because of injury and old age. Welbeck because it's hard to find out which games he started as a winger.
Which was always there and twice as good as Ashley Young, hence he should have been playing more at the start of the season to give him a run of games like Young and Valencia get every season to see if they can hit form. He didnt get that chance.
He's had the chances in the second half of the season and looks a lot sharper now
I just don't understand why we go over the top in our praise or criticism of players (Fellaini is justified
Although our best player on the night with his possession, neat passing, tracking back, I don't remember him scoring, making an assist, making a spectacular goal line clearance. Am I missing something obvious here?
Didn't do any of things but still getting completely unanimous praise. Not one person criticising him. And this is after a game we lost (when praise is always harder to come by)
Just goes to show what nonsense it is to try and claim that people are here are too biased against him to give credit for a good performance. Imagine the props he'd be getting if he did what he's supposed to provide for the team and created or scored a goal?
I just don't understand why we go over the top in our praise or criticism of players (Fellaini is justified
Although our best player on the night with his possession, neat passing, tracking back, I don't remember him scoring, making an assist, making a spectacular goal line clearance. Am I missing something obvious here?
Well, he probably would have. Rooney chose not to pass it to him. You are deliberately underplaying his role to counter the over the top praise for Kagawa.
Probably
I gave him my man of match vote. Praise enough in a game we lost, and Shinji didn't do anything of note.
He looked a level above most of our players against the best team in world football yet can barely get a game against the top sides in the premier league. People are using it to back up their point that he should feature much more than he has.
If you think he's the man of the match, then it's equivalent to Mad Winger declaring that Kagawa is the all in all deity of this world. Different measurements for different posters.
Call me an optimist but I'd be amazed if Moyes doesn't now see Kagawa as a key player.
He's really started to show his ability recently. He's at an age where he's coming into his peak. He fits into the style we've been playing in RVP's absence. He's looking comfortable linking and interchanging with Rooney, Mata and co. Rooney and Mata both clearly love playing with him.
I really don't know if those most insistent Moyes-bashers who like to say things like: "lol Moyes will sell Kagawa in summer and keep Young" in as many threads as possible are being serious or not. I mean it - I genuinely don't know if they actually think that.
For the sake of finding out an answer to that, I'd be interested to know how many people would like to bet me on it. A friendly bet for a small amount, depending on number of people willing, but I'd happily bet against people on it. To be clear: I'd be betting that we keep Kagawa and sell Young. You'd be betting that we sell Kagawa and keep Young. Bet void if we sell neither or both. Bet also void if Moyes is sacked.
He's really started to show his ability recently. He's at an age where he's coming into his peak. He fits into the style we've been playing in RVP's absence. He's looking comfortable linking and interchanging with Rooney, Mata and co. Rooney and Mata both clearly love playing with him.
I really don't know if those most insistent Moyes-bashers who like to say things like: "lol Moyes will sell Kagawa in summer and keep Young" in as many threads as possible are being serious or not. I mean it - I genuinely don't know if they actually think that.
For the sake of finding out an answer to that, I'd be interested to know how many people would like to bet me on it. A friendly bet for a small amount, depending on number of people willing, but I'd happily bet against people on it. To be clear: I'd be betting that we keep Kagawa and sell Young. You'd be betting that we sell Kagawa and keep Young. Bet void if we sell neither or both. Bet also void if Moyes is sacked.
It's good to hear Moyes singling him out for praise recently. We need to keep hold of Shinji this summer.
Picking him last night was a massive vote of confidence. Thank feck Kagawa repaid it with a quality performance. I think he's secured his United career now.
Him and Mata will be great together, they already make a great team. They can be our Jedward.
Mhinji.
... may need some work.
Mhinji.
... may need some work.
Matawa.. Kagata.. Juanji.... Shuan...
Shata.
I don't think Moyes wants to actively sell Kagawa. I think it depends on what Kagawa decides to do. Hopefully he sticks it out for at least another season because both he and club should really be making this work.
Is it just me that thinks people view Kagawa as a much older player than he really is? I mean, he's literally just turned 25. He's a few months older than the likes of Cleverley and Smalling. There's still a lot of time for him to develop and improve, and there's no way United should be letting go of very talented 25 year old players.
Is it just me that thinks people view Kagawa as a much older player than he really is? I mean, he's literally just turned 25. He's a few months older than the likes of Cleverley and Smalling. There's still a lot of time for him to develop and improve, and there's no way United should be letting go of very talented 25 year old players.
Agreed. We don't have enough players of that age profile in our squad as it is. Much less than our rivals.
I think this is the point that @Alock1 was making. He is getting praise because he clearly stood out when the rest of the team were panicking, and the opposition was Bayern. He has been doing most of these simple things from the start of the season, but he has not been able to impose himself on the game and be more influential for us by being more of a damaging threat to the opposition. He has done similar stuff in the past, but that was considered not good enough, and the praise was rightfully given to the players who proved to be the deciding factor in the games.
This is where opinions divide I guess. Some see the smaller contributions he made as important, while others did not think that was anything significant and wanted him to be a more threat in the final third. We needed a bit of both, and he looks to have done that recently.
I disagree (unsurprisingly!) There were actually a lot of good performances last night IMO. Much more than we've had in most of our games this season. Jones, Smalling, Evra, Welbeck and Valencia all impressed. Painfully few occasions under Moyes when we've had 5 or 6 players all excelling at once. Kagawa wasn't the best of a bad bunch. He had plenty of opportunities to be exactly that earlier in the season but not last night. He simply played very well.
While it's true that Kagawa had the same freedom earlier in the season to pretty much go wherever he liked, there is an overall difference in the team's play recently compared to earlier that has allowed for him to shine now.
I think even the biggest fans of the player have always said he is not the type of player that will win you games on his own or tear players apart from one on one. Yes, he is probably best at #10 because he has a natural talent for a killer ball or being able to finish but, even then he will be good at that role when there is play around him that will allow to use his ability, the quicker passes, the runners going by and movement overall. All of which has been lacking for most of the season.
There are few (special) players that regardless of how the rest of the team / style of play around them will still play at a top level / standout - I don't think Kagawa is one of them. It does help he is being played a little more consistently and perhaps even has behind the scenes direct confidence of the manager that has helped but, overall I think it's a matter of a marked improvement of overall team play, admittedly few of those against weaker opposition.
He doesn't necessarily need to play as a #10 but, I think he certainly will show his class if we continue to play in a manner that doesn't involve just getting it out wide and also I think it will depend on if we persist with playing RVP/Rooney in the same way we have all season when they are fit. When those 2 are on the pitch together, I think we often lose some of the flexibility of play we've been getting recently. Both are class as well - so question will be if Moyes can figure out if he can get the 4 of RVP, Rooney, Mata and Kagawa on the pitch at the same time - I certainly don't see it.
I think even the biggest fans of the player have always said he is not the type of player that will win you games on his own or tear players apart from one on one. Yes, he is probably best at #10 because he has a natural talent for a killer ball or being able to finish but, even then he will be good at that role when there is play around him that will allow to use his ability, the quicker passes, the runners going by and movement overall. All of which has been lacking for most of the season.
There are few (special) players that regardless of how the rest of the team / style of play around them will still play at a top level / standout - I don't think Kagawa is one of them. It does help he is being played a little more consistently and perhaps even has behind the scenes direct confidence of the manager that has helped but, overall I think it's a matter of a marked improvement of overall team play, admittedly few of those against weaker opposition.
He doesn't necessarily need to play as a #10 but, I think he certainly will show his class if we continue to play in a manner that doesn't involve just getting it out wide and also I think it will depend on if we persist with playing RVP/Rooney in the same way we have all season when they are fit. When those 2 are on the pitch together, I think we often lose some of the flexibility of play we've been getting recently. Both are class as well - so question will be if Moyes can figure out if he can get the 4 of RVP, Rooney, Mata and Kagawa on the pitch at the same time - I certainly don't see it.
I don't agree. When Kagawa has had a neat and tidy game, giving the midfield a forward option, keeping moves going and not making mistakes, several people will say he's been poor because he failed to impose himself and a Man Utd player should be producing more, asking where the goals and assists are etc. Whether that's as a reaction to others who go overboard as soon as he does something good I don't know, but the reaction is there nonetheless. So yesterday he did what he normally does, but with a bit more energy and incision, and against an opponent who exposes weaknesses in our players in these very areas that are Kag's strengths, and presto, everyone agrees he's MOTM.
Damn you Moyes! I just realized that unless Japan performs a miracle in Brazil this summer, then this will be the first season since 2008(!) where Kagawa fails to either get an individual award or win a trophy. I'm not sure if the Community Shield should count, seeing as he didn't play. And it's a pointless trophy anyways.
2007:
- Youngest Japanese player to sign a professional contract before finishing high school(not including players coming through from professional youth teams).
2009:
- Top scorer J-League 2
2010-2011:
- Bundesliga Title
- AFC Title
- Official Bundesliga Team Of The Season
- Kicker's Bundesliga Team Of The Season
2011-2012:
- Bundesliga Title
- German Cup Title
- Asian Player Of The Year
- Kicker's Bundesliga Team Of The Season
- European Sports Media's European Team Of The Season
2012-2013:
- Premier League Title
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Say what you want about the player, but trophies and awards seems to follow him wherever he goes. In just 4 and half years he managed to get 2 Bundesliga titles, 1 German Cup Title, 1 Premier League Title, 1 Asian Cup title, 3 big official awards and 2 smaller ones.
2007:
- Youngest Japanese player to sign a professional contract before finishing high school(not including players coming through from professional youth teams).
2009:
- Top scorer J-League 2
2010-2011:
- Bundesliga Title
- AFC Title
- Official Bundesliga Team Of The Season
- Kicker's Bundesliga Team Of The Season
2011-2012:
- Bundesliga Title
- German Cup Title
- Asian Player Of The Year
- Kicker's Bundesliga Team Of The Season
- European Sports Media's European Team Of The Season
2012-2013:
- Premier League Title
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Say what you want about the player, but trophies and awards seems to follow him wherever he goes. In just 4 and half years he managed to get 2 Bundesliga titles, 1 German Cup Title, 1 Premier League Title, 1 Asian Cup title, 3 big official awards and 2 smaller ones.
are you Indian? Shata means pubic hair in quite a lot of Indian languages and so that would be funny everytime it's mentioned. I think we should go with Mhinji
are you Indian? Shata means pubic hair in quite a lot of Indian languages and so that would be funny everytime it's mentioned. I think we should go with Mhinji
No I'm English, in England "Shat" or "Shart" depending how posh you are, is another way of saying "Shit" as in "Having a shit". "Having a shat", "Shat all over the place". So a Shata would be the person guilty of that.
"Mhinji" would be a pretty terrible nickname if you don't want people thinking about pubic hair.
26 games in a season under a manager who supposedly had absolute faith in him.
26 games in a season under a manager who supposedly hates him (or whatever).
26 games in a season under a manager who supposedly hates him (or whatever).
Yeah! "Shita", "Shata" both have to be ruled out.. They have horribly difficult to manipulate names tbh. Add Januzay to the mix and we can have Mhinja(Mata+sHINji+JAnuzay), very similar to Ninja. Which will be pretty cool. Cooler than SAS which sounds like a disease really.
Matawa?
That said, thinking about pubes isn't the end of the world.
Matawa, obviously.
Kagata is good too but it sounds and looks too much like Kagawa, whereas Matawa is a more equally influenced.
Kagata is good too but it sounds and looks too much like Kagawa, whereas Matawa is a more equally influenced.
Juanji Matawa
Winner.
So does nobody want to take my bet that we'll keep Kagawa and sell Young?
We can bet for e-pride instead of money if you're a particularly large vagina.
We can bet for e-pride instead of money if you're a particularly large vagina.
Case solved.
I actually have no e-pride left after this season.So does nobody want to take my bet that we'll keep Kagawa and sell Young?
We can bet for e-pride instead of money if you're a particularly large vagina.
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