I thought they didn't have too much dubious penalties this season, but after watching this, almost half of them are questionable.
As for those "extra" they should have, Skrtel alone should have at least 5 against him also.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I thought they didn't have too much dubious penalties this season, but after watching this, almost half of them are questionable.
As for those "extra" they should have, Skrtel alone should have at least 5 against him also.
There seems to be some sort of misconception that we don't have a fair sized squad to cope on all fronts next season. We currently have about 18 players who are more than capable of doing a good job for the first team: Mignolet, Suarez, Flanagan, Skrtel, Agger, Gerrard, Lucas, Enrique, Coutinho, Alberto, Kelly, Sturridge, Henderson, Sakho, Johnson, Allen, Sterling, Jones (2nd choice keeper). People seem to forget about the amount of players we have out loan: Reina, Borini, Ibe, Wisdom, McLaughlin, Assaidi, Suso, Llori. & then there's a couple of youngsters who could well feature for us next season (Rossiter & Teixeira). So assuming at least a couple of those players will be brought back into the fold, then we'll have 20 plus lads ready, willing, & able for the extra games we'll be playing next season. It could certainly be argued that we'll need a little bit more quality. & I fully expect Rodgers to focus on that side of things in the summer. Considering how we've performed this season, & with the attraction of CL football. Hopefully we won't have to try as hard as we have in recent seasons to attract the right sort of player who can help us move forward.
Of that list of pens only 5 actually impacted on the result and only two of those 5 were disputable:
- Newcastle - equalised but defo a pen (+1pts)
- Villa - equalised and soft so debatable (+1pts)
- Fulham - winner but defo a pen (+2pts)
- United - first two were vital but both defo a pen. The third soft one had no impact on result (+3pts)
- West Ham - winner but debatable (+2 pts)
The second half of the video shows ones Liverpool should have had - which is important if you're going to pick apart the ones Liverpool did get:
- Southampton - would have taken the lead in a match Liverpool lost (-1/3 pts)
- City away - would have equalised (-1 pts)
- Chelsea away - would have equalised (-1 pts)
Overall, the pens and non-pens have pretty much evened themselves out, no?
The way it is being framed by most on here you'd think Liverpool were not doing themselves any favours winning the league or playing CL football next season.
This doomsday scenario that is being foretold on here about Liverpool's meagre squad receiving a bite of reality when they play with the big kids and in an environment where potential players won't want to sign because of fear of failure is such a stretch and nothing more than wishful thinking.
It's the same kind of wishful thinking that most on here predicted back in November when we were all told that Liverpool would hit the skids by January as the meagre squad and average players will be "found out". However, now that that particular narrative has not played out this "logic" is being transformed to writing off next season instead.
At no point do any of these soothsayers take into account the very reason Liverpool have risen beyond all expectations this season and may go on to strengthen even further next year. Only external factors are ever really considered and cited as contraining hurdles. But in reality, Liverpool's rise is due to a manager who knows how to build a team and get the best out of players. This will still exist next season. ignoring such a key factor will lead many more false proclamations about Liverpool's impending fall - just like back in November.
The worst thing about all this is that even Liverpool would have got rid of Moyes by now. In fact, they got rid of theirs by New Years.
Yeah, except that non-existing penalty when losing by one isn't really worth one point when it helped you to win the game, as happened against Stoke and West Ham, plus the draw agai6nst Villa.
And as for those you should have, why don't you count those that should have go against you also. I am sure if you count just those Skrtel conceeded, you would be worse by 6 points alone.
Of course they even themselves out, the decisions always have. What your seeing now is how much bullshit Liverpool fans spouted about us for all those years we were on top when we were clearly the best team in the League every year we won with and when we didn't win it it was won by the best team that year too. We obviously still need video evidence simply because even if it does even out it's still not right that these wrong decisions happen even when they don't affect the results of the game. This rings true especially when teams are knocked out of cups due to bad decisions, this is the only decisions that I feel don't even out because it's knock out.
If Liverpool win the League this year they deserve it, if they don't they don't deserve it simple as.
I am from Blackpool myself, and I can tell you he's actually probably their only best defender at the minute in what is terrible state of a potential relegated side. They've got no full back options at all, the fans fans rate enough to have him as their MOTM nearly every game. I think he's currently the player of the season voted amongst fans in the local paper, but I think this is all votes that were accumulated earlier in the season when they were playing well.
His discipline and temperament on the pitch hasn't been good though. He made some rash decisions and an immature altercation in one match with DJ Campbell lead to a three game ban during a period when the club badly needed its best players. They've continued in this downward spiral for months, and I haven't heard much of his performances since.
As for Ibe, I wish they had signed him to fill the creative void Tom Ince had left. I knew he would make an impact and take advantage on a poor Blackpool side on his debut which he did. He should of been loaned out earlier in the season, he looks a good prospect.
Isn't this the absurdness of such an analysis? talk of Liverpool's undeserved penalties is just a way to deminish their achievements. I only put my points together to show that these things work both ways so it's really a moot point in the first place.
The table rightly has Liverpool top because they have been the best team over 33 games. We'll see about 38 games, I guess.
Who said it's because I am diminishing their achievements? If they win the league it will be because they were good and deserved it, not because they had some decisions going their way. City also had lot of soft penalties, so it's pretty much the same. It's just ridiculous when you compare how every United's penalty has been analized to death in recent years, but everyone is happy to say that Liverpool deserved theirs, even though United probably didn't have that much wrongly called penalties probably in few last years. Double standards.
And this is a good post also:
I live in Thornton-Cleveleys having originally been a Fleetwood 'codhead'
You never know Blackpool could be playing 'the cod army' next season!
If they win against City, I'm taking a break from football
Interview with Diego Forlan about compatriot Luis Suarez:
"We spoke a few days ago," the 34-year-old [Diego Forlan] told Brazilian sports paper Lance!. '"He [Luis Suarez] asked me if I think he should stay at Liverpool.
"All I told him was to think about going to Manchester United. I know he loves Liverpool, the fans and the city, but I think the best thing for his career would be to move to Old Trafford."
"We spoke a few days ago," the 34-year-old [Diego Forlan] told Brazilian sports paper Lance!. '"He [Luis Suarez] asked me if I think he should stay at Liverpool.
"All I told him was to think about going to Manchester United. I know he loves Liverpool, the fans and the city, but I think the best thing for his career would be to move to Old Trafford."
Thanks Diego But don't want him
But don't want himGames are to be kicked off 7 mins late this week due to the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough.
Funny as the best thing to happen to Forlan was to leave Old Trafford.Interview with Diego Forlan about compatriot Luis Suarez:
"We spoke a few days ago," the 34-year-old [Diego Forlan] told Brazilian sports paper Lance!. '"He [Luis Suarez] asked me if I think he should stay at Liverpool.
"All I told him was to think about going to Manchester United. I know he loves Liverpool, the fans and the city, but I think the best thing for his career would be to move to Old Trafford."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...him-out-of-key-European-and-league-games.html
Might not be ready to play us or if he is, he might not be fully fit.
Might not be ready to play us or if he is, he might not be fully fit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...him-out-of-key-European-and-league-games.html
Might not be ready to play us or if he is, he might not be fully fit.
He'd be rested for the CL semi anyway wouldn't he? If his fitness wasn't 100% I mean.
Huge game this weekend.
Liverpool and Chelsea's title hopes really depend on it.
If they (Liverpool) win it, it's basically a "beat Chelsea win the league" scenario.
If they draw, it will be hard.
If they lose, it's over.
Liverpool and Chelsea's title hopes really depend on it.
If they (Liverpool) win it, it's basically a "beat Chelsea win the league" scenario.
If they draw, it will be hard.
If they lose, it's over.
I'm hoping for a draw, Chelsea to win at the weekend and then ultimately win it.
1. Chelsea
2. City
3. Liverpool
4. United
That'd be a perfect scenario considering where things are at the minute.
1. Chelsea
2. City
3. Liverpool
4. United
That'd be a perfect scenario considering where things are at the minute.
Just me who feels physically sick at seeing Gerrard and Suarez both win the Player of the month? Such a nauseating gesture from the Premier League, they would only do it to Liverpool.
It's done on a voting system, & both players received the same number of votes. I believe it's not the first time it's happened.
Brendan Rodgers receives the Manager of The Month award. So that's our title challenge well & truly scuppered then
It's happened before.
It's done on a voting system, & both players received the same number of votes. I believe it's not the first time it's happened.
Brendan Rodgers receives the Manager of The Month award. So that's our title challenge well & truly scuppered then
Fair enough, just my nerves getting to me before the game against them on Sunday getting to me
last thing we needed is a triple confidence boost for their three most important figuresNever knew it happened before either, presumed it was just the Premier League playing up to Liverpool fans
Fair enough, just my nerves getting to me before the game against them on Sunday getting to me
Never knew it happened before either, presumed it was just the Premier League playing up to Liverpool fans
Aye, why not check it out before using it as a stick to beat us with eh?
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Fair enough, just my nerves getting to me before the game against them on Sunday getting to me
Never knew it happened before either, presumed it was just the Premier League playing up to Liverpool fans
If history were anything to go, City are out of the title race:
City have played at Anfield 16 times in the Premier League and won 1 in 16.
City have played at Goodison Park 16 times in the Premier League and won 2 in 16.
City have played at Palace three times in the Premier League and won 1 in 3.
In 35 Premier League visits made to those three clubs, City have only so far chalked up these four victories:
31 Oct 1992 Everton 1 Man City 3
3 May 2003 Liverpool 1 Man City 2 (Contemporary link here to report on how City’s Anelka snatched the win in injury time)
18 Sep 2004 C Palace 1 Man City 2
25 Apr 2009 Everton 1 Man City 2
Thus the most recent of those City victories is very nearly five years ago and the only Anfield Premier League victory was more than 10 years ago.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com...liverpool-palace-and-everton-combined-110401/
City have played at Goodison Park 16 times in the Premier League and won 2 in 16.
City have played at Palace three times in the Premier League and won 1 in 3.
In 35 Premier League visits made to those three clubs, City have only so far chalked up these four victories:
31 Oct 1992 Everton 1 Man City 3
3 May 2003 Liverpool 1 Man City 2 (Contemporary link here to report on how City’s Anelka snatched the win in injury time)
18 Sep 2004 C Palace 1 Man City 2
25 Apr 2009 Everton 1 Man City 2
Thus the most recent of those City victories is very nearly five years ago and the only Anfield Premier League victory was more than 10 years ago.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com...liverpool-palace-and-everton-combined-110401/
If we lost at Anfield and Goodison, win all our other games, we just need Liverpool to draw a single match after Sunday and we'll still win the league. Even if we lose we're not out of the race and I don't think we will lose.
Also, how many times when we played at Anfield was your team vastly better? It's only being in recent years our team has overtaken yours so the record is a bit of an irrelevancy.
Also, how many times when we played at Anfield was your team vastly better? It's only being in recent years our team has overtaken yours so the record is a bit of an irrelevancy.
That can't be right surely?
It's not. If that happened, they'd still trail by 2 points.
It is not.
History generally isn't that relevant, except in the way it plays in the heads of the participants.
So of course I'm gonna bring it up.
By my reckoning we'd have 87 points & City would have 85.
Out of interest to any of the Liverpool or City fans on here, is there a rivalry between the two? The United-Liverpool rivalry is often talked about as being a residue of the Liverpool / Manchester rivalry extending back to the Industrial Revolution, but is there the same with City?
Yep my mistake
I meant if we drew at Anfield, we could afford another loss, presumable against Everton, and still win the league.
Feck all that reaching into their shite days, their away form since the takeover is mediocre enough to suggest their only hope this year is you and Chelsea both bottling it.
Yep my mistake
I meant if we drew at Anfield, we could afford another loss, presumable against Everton, and still win the league.
Assuming you maintain superior GD....
No, not really.
No we'd be a point ahead I think but I've already been wrong once.
City are a small time plastic club. The Scousers know who the real Manchester team is. They wouldn't bother wasting their breath on the massives.
Ta. That's sort of what I thought, similar to United and Everton.
Maths was never my strong point. I'll stop speaking now, I think it's probably best.