Aye, they're vultures. But that shouldn't deter from a foreign manager, especially if he is considerably better than our current 'domestic' manager.
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Aye, they're vultures. But that shouldn't deter from a foreign manager, especially if he is considerably better than our current 'domestic' manager.
Agree 100 percent.
Van Gaal is controversial, the press will like him. Even if they didnt, we shouldnt give a feck.
Controversial is a lot better than the "hopefully we will try to rebuild the team in a year's time" kind of crap mentality
He deserves nothing. Ruining a title-winning squad, marginalising players who were a bedrock of our success, and then blaming the players for his incompetence and equating himself with Fergie by saying he would struggle... Not to forget tying us to the albatross that is Wayne Rooney for 300k a week. He deserves nothing but our contempt.
Moved to a new thread. No need to discuss it in a thread that is four years old.
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If things have been done in the 'usual way' (if that's even what we can call it) then it would maybe cost £20million or more to sack David Moyes? If this is the case, then if van Gaal is bit of a low budget guy who wouldn't want to make a magnitude of changes, then this would suit the Glazers. That apparent £200million transfer kitty could be cut by that £20million~ and van Gaal could probably make better user of that £180million over a couple of seasons than Moyes could with £200million in one. Just my opinion there, though.
However, due to Moyes' history of doing nothing (other than making the Champions League once and losing out in the qualifying round), I have to believe that this six year mega deal has many stipulations where Moyes was well aware he could lose the job without being compensated the full amount of money that his contract would give him. It would be such a bad business decision to risk that much money on an unproven manager at the top level.
If things have been done in the 'usual way' (if that's even what we can call it) then it would maybe cost £20million or more to sack David Moyes? If this is the case, then if van Gaal is bit of a low budget guy who wouldn't want to make a magnitude of changes, then this would suit the Glazers. That apparent £200million transfer kitty could be cut by that £20million~ and van Gaal could probably make better user of that £180million over a couple of seasons than Moyes could with £200million in one. Just my opinion there, though.
However, due to Moyes' history of doing nothing (other than making the Champions League once and losing out in the qualifying round), I have to believe that this six year mega deal has many stipulations where Moyes was well aware he could lose the job without being compensated the full amount of money that his contract would give him. It would be such a bad business decision to risk that much money on an unproven manager at the top level.
Van Gaal will not give one solitary shit what people think of him. His career tells us that. He's one fierce fecker. Getting him in for a year or 2 would be great, and set it up for Klopp to take it over. Klopp is a manager you give a 6 year deal to. He's the one we need long term.
Please be true.
Actually I don't know much about Van Haal, but any hint of Moyes leaving is a good thing.
Actually I don't know much about Van Haal, but any hint of Moyes leaving is a good thing.
You wont get an argument from me there. I like players and managers who are honest and speak their minds, diplomatic "correct thing to say" nonsense bores me.
Not necessarily. If he gives them lots to write about they could well love him.
Either way, it's not all that important IMO. If he does good work it won't matter.
So an improvement then?
How do his teams tend to play?
He loves the 433, and he loves interchanging, fluid, everyone being able to perform various roles within their type of play. Very offensive. 'Total voetbal'-esque.
So you think that there is a clause in Moyes contract that states he must win the CL or be fired? (I'll be fairer to you and say "make the CL Semi-final" - since beating Bayern would have achieved that.)
Nonsense.
No, but a clause in his contract that says there's a minimum level of success expected. Not necessarily he needed to win the CL but once it became clear he was going to finish nowhere near the top 4 the only thing form that point that could have 'saved' his job was success in Europe. That isn't "there's a clause in the contract that says he must win the CL" at all.
Or qualify for the CL?...
Come on. You know what he meant. Basically that if we don't finish top 4, the clauses would kick in if they are there.
What he means is there could be a clause which says we can fire him on the cheap if he doesnt get us CL football. Seeing as winning the thing was our only way of doing it, the loss to Bayern could have activated the clause.
2 things though:
a) I dont believe anyone could have imagined him failing to get us into the top 4 which makes me doubt such a clause exists. It'd take a man who takes great precaution to put such a clause in.
b) Even if it doesnt, firing him wouldnt cost us more than 20mil odd which basically means money wont stop us from sacking him if we wanted to specially considering the cost involved in sticking by a poor manager.
Ah feck. All that effort into something that obvious? Shouldnt have bothered
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The thing is Moyes hasn't just under achieved, he's fantastically under achieved. This is Rafa Benitez level of capitulation. Worse, in fact. Far worse. I'd fully support replacing him. Whether that be with van Gaal or someone else. Obviously the candidate has to be right, I'm not an ABM, but finding a better candidate can't be the most arduous of tasks.
United dismiss Van Gaal links
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a. I think you are underestimating how contracts are made out. You cannot believe the kind of crap employers put in there for the employee to sign. Especially a highly paid employee who is about to take up a very important position.
b. If that guy walks away with 20 million for being crap, it will be one of the biggest travesties in football.
That was quick. But they're hardly going to admit it.
I want to believe such a clause exists because as you said, it'd be a travesty if he got 20mil for being shit. But even if he does, we shot ourselves on the foot by giving him a 6yr deal, it was one of the daftest things we could do as there was very little of chance of the Barca's and Real's of this world coming chasing over David bloody Moyes. Even if we do have to pay him 20mil though, I dont think it'd stop us from getting rid if we decide to.
thats my point. There's no downside
Nope you're wrong here. Contracts are made keeping in mind the worst of situations possible. United are a global organization, not a chance they wouldn't have put in any sort of these clauses in Moyes's contracts. Not putting in the clauses would be highly negligent.
So will all you dreamers come in here and apologise for writing this crap when Moyes is still in charge in August then?
No, but it's clearly bollocks non the less.
I agree. But I am almost 100% sure that there will be clauses which will allow the Glazers to sack him with minimum damage.
Well thats that then...move along
van gaal would be a dreadful choice.
You are getting me wrong. I am not saying they will definitely exercise that option. But I will be amazed if there was not one which they could use if they wanted to. These are billionaire businessmen who know how to build an empire. They will have an army of lawyers protecting them from exactly such scenarios.
So you're telling me there is hope
:Seriously though, as I said, I hope am wrong and such a clause exists.
Apologize for what? If you're going to stand up for Moyes, atleast ask whether we dreamers will come in and apologize when Moyes wins us the league this year. Still hanging on to the job after being a disaster for a year deserves an apology now?
Eh? Even if we did meet him, what else do you expect the club to do but deny it?
My mate supports Spurs and he has been saying for weeks that there's a deal in place to take him there in the summer. This is just the usual bollocks from the press.
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