United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

[stevoc]

Possibly because the club's been telling them all season that we'll give him time etc, but have shut up about it recently. The atmosphere's certainly changed.

Perhaps, no journalists or pundits really saying moyes will be here next season with the conviction they were even a month or two ago, hell even moyes didn't seem 100% when asked by shreeves the other night.

The journalists on the supplement said from what they have heard from the club is that moyes is still in their plans, though for me they looked far from convinced. Another interesting point was one of them said from what he has heard from people within the club they wanted a long term manager and thats still the case, which would probably rule out Van Gaal. But he thinks they may have to reconsider this long term philosophy because in his opinion if moyes doesn't get the chop in the summer hes unlikely to last beyond next season.

 

[RDCR07]

I understand people complaining about Van Gaal but at the moment the big ones arent available - Jose, Pep, Simeone and Klopp and might not be for sometime. We had a big selection to choose from this past summer and quite frankly it couldnt have been a better list to pick from - the likes of Pep, Jose, Ancelotti, Pellegrini all available. Van Gaal isnt a legend but he is better than Moyes and can maybe stabilize us for a couple of years.

 

[Dominos]

Speculation really started to heat up after the Olympiakos/Liverpool defeats, the Times reported he was close to the brink, pretty much every paper ran with a story on how the board were losing faith.

No idea what's going on at the moment. The journos are hardly likely to piggy back on a story from the tweets of an American radio presenter though are they? They've probably got no new information first hand so are keeping quiet for now.

The safe money is on Moyes being here next year. Gut feeling says he's gone though.

 

[Paolo Di Canio]

I understand people complaining about Van Gaal but at the moment the big ones arent available - Jose, Pep, Simeone and Klopp and might not be for sometime. We had a big selection to choose from this past summer and quite frankly it couldnt have been a better list to pick from - the likes of Pep, Jose, Ancelotti, Pellegrini all available. Van Gaal isnt a legend but he is better than Moyes and can maybe stabilize us for a couple of years.

What he did with that young Ajax team was pretty good though

 

[Talking Vulture]

I'm with you on that. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but if we were to get rid of Moyes, I would hope it would be to take a chance on a young manager who has achieved amazing things in the last couple of seasons - ie Klopp or Simeone.

Yeah, van Gaal may be better than Moyes, but I just can't get enthused about us going into a Chelsea-type rotation of the same old names who seem to tour the big European clubs / countries - van Gaal, Ancelotti, Capello etc...

It's all about steadying the ship for now. We won't ever see another SAF in terms of managing for so long. Van Gaal would steady the ship and if he gets us back in it and stays for only 3 seasons, it's infinitely better than sticking be Moyes and his shiteness

 

[Rory 7]

Speculation really started to heat up after the Olympiakos/Liverpool defeats, the Times reported he was close to the brink, pretty much every paper ran with a story on how the board were losing faith.

No idea what's going on at the moment. The journos are hardly likely to piggy back on a story from the tweets of an American radio presenter though are they? They've probably got no new information first hand so are keeping quiet for now.

The safe money is on Moyes being here next year. Gut feeling says he's gone though.

As I said in an earlier post, the media silence about this story in the UK is quite telling. Moyes is very very close to the press pack. One of the first things he did when he took over at OT was go for dinner when reporters and brief them on his plans. The UK printed media has spent most of the season continuing to support his narrative that the squad needs a rebuild. Now we have credible reports in the Dutch media of moves afoot to sack him and that same UK press pack are silent. What does that tell you? For a start that Moyes has been isolated and secondly he is no longer briefing the UK media to the extent that he was. It signals that he may well have lost the backing of the board. Are we really surprised? Of course my argument has already been dismissed by one poster on here as lacking logic.

 

[Empire]

Whats the latest on Van Gaal? Both parties still denying it? Moyes isnt getting fired?

As far as rumours are concerned, last I heard, he is waiting to see what happens with Wenger!!

In reality, most of the people who know about Moyes' future are on the board and they won't leak anything, those outside of them that may also know probably have signed non-disclosure agreements.

I would be surprised if they sack him before the end of the season. Things get interesting though once the season is over, if they have decided already then he will be gone otherwise they will conduct their evaluation.

I think it's fair to assume at least some board members want him gone. Therefore it is, was or will be heavily discussed. I think a lot rests on the replacement, if somebody else is also a risk they might give him another season however if the other manager is top calibre then things get interesting.

You see, if they have a performance related clause and that clause is for top four then they cannot sack him now. They must afford him every opportunity to accomplish his objective. He could easily argue in court he could have gotten 72 points and had Arsenal failed to win 3 of their last 5 (losing at least once) he would beat them at least on goal difference.

He won't get top four but if he does get to 72 points, there is a chance Arsenal collapse. For this reason they must let him continue (assuming a performance related clause exists) at least until it is mathematically impossible for top four even if they have made their decision.

 

[bishblaize]

The relative silence from the UK media on this story suggests to me there is some truth in it. After a their season long tenure as Moyes-apologists, I wouldn't be one with surprised if the Glazers pulled the rug from underneath this whole house of cards. (Wow. Talk about mixing methaphors)

"If we can hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. checkmate"

 

[Rory 7]

"If we can hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. checkmate"

lol

 

[Empire]

I understand people complaining about Van Gaal but at the moment the big ones arent available - Jose, Pep, Simeone and Klopp and might not be for sometime. We had a big selection to choose from this past summer and quite frankly it couldnt have been a better list to pick from - the likes of Pep, Jose, Ancelotti, Pellegrini all available. Van Gaal isnt a legend but he is better than Moyes and can maybe stabilize us for a couple of years.

Performance related clause, objectives: top four

If he fails, then replace him. I doubt he will fail although I understand the risk due to his 4th place (before sacking) by Bayern and having Barcelona only 3 points above the relegation zone in January!

I think Moyes can also get top four and evident by this season could also not. Therefore in terms of risk they are similar, Louis Van Gaal going on his record though could also mount a serious title challenge as our squad is (in my opinion) very strong if we can sign two top central midfielders and left back, if funds allow, a centre back would be nice also.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I'm with you on that. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but if we were to get rid of Moyes, I would hope it would be to take a chance on a young manager who has achieved amazing things in the last couple of seasons - ie Klopp or Simeone.

You aren't concerned about landing an AVB?

 

[redevil2]

It's so on

For some reason (whatever you can imagine), I believe RvP might feel more comfortable working with this man, than Moyes who has not won anything and who has an Everton mindset.

 

[redevil2]

You aren't concerned about landing an AVB?

I think at this point in time, anyone will be able to prove to be more convincing than Moyes, no?

 

[bishblaize]

You aren't concerned about landing an AVB?

At this point I'd take anyone, but when I'm feeling more rational I don't think Simeone is right for us. He's another Mourinho - great motivator, great tactician. But not the kind of attacking football we'd want at United.

Klopp is certainly above where AVB was. Two league titles, Champions League final and a style of play (gegenpressing) that is starting to define the modern era. I'd be delighted to have him.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I think at this point in time, anyone will be able to prove to be more convincing than Moyes, no?

A dangerous way of looking at things.

 

[utdalltheway]

I'm with you on that. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but if we were to get rid of Moyes, I would hope it would be to take a chance on a young manager who has achieved amazing things in the last couple of seasons - ie Klopp or Simeone.

I'd much prefer this too. They should be looking for the next SAF, not some fecker that has midtable written all over him.

 

[bishblaize]

Its called counter intuitive logic. And if you knew anything about how the media worked you'd see where I'm coming from.
The UK media have been defending Moyes' position all season, now a story about his replacement is all over the Dutch media, credible sources in the Dutch media. But the UK media silence is deafening. Can you explain why this is so?

You're right, there are loads of stories that are well known by journalists but they hold back from going to print for various reasons.

Normally its sex scandals or other personal information that they hold on publishing. Either for fear of crossing the line that exists even for the media, or for fear of some legal backlash. Sometimes its simply that the newspapers will look bad for publishing something at the wrong time. However in the case of a manager being sacked or replaced its hard to guess why they would hold back. I just think its gossip in this case.

 

[bosnian_red]

You aren't concerned about landing an AVB?

AVB would be much better then Moyes IMO...
Think he's a decent enough manager just was harshly sacked from Chelsea and Spurs.

 

[redevil2]

A dangerous way of looking at things.

Dangerous? LOL... What is more dangerous than having a manager who's aim is to "hopefully" rebuild the team in one year and has not attempt to aim higher (at least if we are just basing on what he's telling us). We within 8 months have become a mediocre team from being a reigning Champion and are not playing in European next year, first time in 19 years. Even ABV would likely to think it is not acceptable, No?

 

[bobbyf]

I'm with you on that. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but if we were to get rid of Moyes, I would hope it would be to take a chance on a young manager who has achieved amazing things in the last couple of seasons - ie Klopp or Simeone.

Yeah, van Gaal may be better than Moyes, but I just can't get enthused about us going into a Chelsea-type rotation of the same old names who seem to tour the big European clubs / countries - van Gaal, Ancelotti, Capello etc...

But we have to accept we are like other clubs now. SAF and his situation was a one off. Maybe we can get a 'young' manager but they have to be able to get the best out of the players. Not as easy as it sounds.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Dangerous? LOL... What is more dangerous than having a manager who's aim is to "hopefully" rebuild the team in one year and has not attempt to aim higher (at least if we are just basing on what he's telling us).

Having a manager that's even worse. They do exist.

We within 8 months have become a mediocre team from being a reigning Champion and are not playing in European next year, first time in 19 years. Even ABV would likely to think it is not acceptable, No?

He would likely already have fallen out with everyone and been sacked. Seems to be his MO.

 

[Sir A1ex]

You aren't concerned about landing an AVB?

Well, I don't think his achievements pre-Chelsea were quite up there with Klopp and Simeone, but he was certainly the hot young manager in 2011. But no, I think he's a decent manager who hasn't been given a proper chance by either London club. He guided Chelsea most of the way towards their Champions League win, but was ultimately undone by Terry & Co's unhelathy level of power. And Spurs were simply stupid to ditch him so quickly - they're a daft club with unrealistic expectations.

Mind you, I get the impression most people in here would have been calling for his head if they were Spurs fans.

 

[Rory 7]

You're right, there are loads of stories that are well known by journalists but they hold back from going to print for various reasons.

Normally its sex scandals or other personal information that they hold on publishing. Either for fear of crossing the line that exists even for the media, or for fear of some legal backlash. Sometimes its simply that the newspapers will look bad for publishing something at the wrong time. However in the case of a manager being sacked or replaced its hard to guess why they would hold back. I just think its gossip in this case.

Maybe the press aren't holding back? Maybe the UK press genuinely don't know? Because their buddy DM doesn't know. So they are keeping shtum until they know!

 

[Sarni]

Well, I don't think his achievements pre-Chelsea were quite up there with Klopp and Simeone, but he was certainly the hot young manager in 2011. But no, I think he's a decent manager who hasn't been given a proper chance by either London club. He guided Chelsea most of the way towards their Champions League win, but was ultimately undone by Terry & Co's unhelathy level of power. And Spurs were simply stupid to ditch him so quickly - they're a daft club with unrealistic expectations.

Mind you, I get the impression most people in here would have been calling for his head if they were Spurs fans.

How did AVB guide them most of the way towards the CL win? They lost 3-1 to Napoli away when he was sacked and were on the verge of being knocked out at Last 16, Di Matteo saved them.

 

[redevil2]

Having a manager that's even worse. They do exist.



He would likely already have fallen out with everyone and been sacked. Seems to be his MO.

So it is better, in your opinion,
1. to keep someone who's proven bad and not achieving but be kept in the club than
2. to have someone so blatantly bad and sacked quickly so the club can control further damage?
What logic?

 

[I_live_cement]

The relative silence from the UK media on this story suggests to me there is some truth in it. After a their season long tenure as Moyes-apologists, I wouldn't be one with surprised if the Glazers pulled the rug from underneath this whole house of cards. (Wow. Talk about mixing methaphors)

That makes absolutely no sense, and I'm not just talking about the terrible grammar.

 

[Empire]

Van Gaal is waiting for something. Look at how early Bayern announced Guardiola!

We all know Sherwood is gone, Spurs haven't even tried to hide this and they most probably have finalised terms with Louis, just waiting for his signature. However, he is waiting on something and it's either United or Arsenal. Otherwise it would have surely been announced by now, would it not?

 

[NK86]

Van Gaal is waiting for something. Look at how early Bayern announced Guardiola!

Spurs have made clear Sherwood is gone and they most probably have finalised terms with Louis, just waiting for his signature. However, he is waiting on something and it's either United or Arsenal. Otherwise it would have surely been announced by now, would it not?

That's what I have been thinking. If Van Gaal has agreed terms, what will be stopping Spurs from announcing it and also why would his agent plant stories in papers if the deal is almost closed?

 

[Ubik]

He's obviously waiting for something, the question is whether that's out of hope or because he has information the means it has a good chance of paying off. I'd doubt it's Arsenal, but who knows.

Having a manager that's even worse. They do exist.



He would likely already have fallen out with everyone and been sacked. Seems to be his MO.

His MO is to win titles and get you playing attacking football. Then get sacked.

 

[united_99]

Of course the Spurs job is not ideal, van Gaal knows their squad is far inferior to City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool/United (with a good manager that is) and Everton could also improve next season. Levy is not a patient guy and thinks Spurs should be in the top 4 just because he manages to get some extra cents when selling players or something like that. There is so much work to do with Spurs which even van Gaal will not fix within the first few months. So if then they are out of the top 4 the genius Levy might strike again. Therefore van Gaal would prefer much better squads aka United or Arsenal, where he would have much better players to work with and both clubs would give him more than only a few months. Spurs is probably is last option if nothing else is offered to him.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

So it is better, in your opinion,
1. to keep someone who's proven bad and not achieving but be kept in the club than
2. to have someone so blatantly bad and sacked quickly so the club can control further damage?
What logic?

Where did I say that?

 

[Carl]

His record is a little bit better than that ffs and it's certainly a million miles away from Moyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Gaal#Managerial_honours

ffs maaaaan ffs!!

I'm aware of his achievements TV, that's why I said "in the last 15 years". His achievements with AJax were obviously great. But since then all I see is the odd league title with a huge team (Barca and Bayern) and a load of 2 year stints.

EDIT: Also, I never said he wasn't better than Moyes. He's clearly achieved more than Moyes has. But "He's better than Moyes" surely isn't suitable criteria when looking at candidates.

 

[redevil2]

Where did I say that?

You said:

Having a manager that's even worse. They do exist.

He would likely already have fallen out with everyone and been sacked. Seems to be his MO.

 

[Rory 7]

That makes absolutely no sense, and I'm not just talking about the terrible grammar.

admittedly my grammar was a mess there. but it makes sense alright. we'll see. if Moyes is still our manager in September then I was wrong.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You said:

I know exactly what I said. Where did I say that I think it's "better to keep someone who's proven bad and not achieving but be kept in the club than to have someone so blatantly bad and sacked quickly so the club can control further damage?"

Here's a hint, I said nothing of the sort.

You came out with the ridiculous "anyone will be able to prove to be more convincing than Moyes" comment. Which is patently horseshit. You then came up with a hypothetical scenario and asked me to tell you what AVB would be thinking in said hypothetical.

And you have the gall to talk to me about logic?

 

[b82REZ]

If there's any substance to these rumours I wouldn't be shocked if he was brought in to work alongside Moyes for a few seasons.

I think SAFs influence means Moyes get to Xmas at least. But it could be SAFs influence that prevents the board bringing in someone similar to a DoF.

I'd be much more comfortable with Moyes going forward if we brought an attack minded coach/assistant/DoF in alongide him.

 

[adexkola]

I think all managers should be given time until they die/retire.

Unlike devilish, you're so much better as a poster without the shit sarcasm.

 

[Antisocial]

I think SAFs influence means Moyes get to Xmas at least. But it could be SAFs influence that prevents the board bringing in someone similar to a DoF.

I do wonder IF the club are looking at replacing Moyes, than who at the club is taking the lead on advising on the football aspect? It seems the two directors that have led on football issues are Sir Alex and Sir Bobby, both of whom are the people who championed Moyes, are closely linked to Moyes' appointment and have spoken before about supporting him and giving managers time. Would they be the ones advising on a new manager, and if they did then would they be listened to after the Moyes mess?

It seems from many posters here that a plan of bringing in van Gaal for a few years ahead of competing for a longer-term manager to succeed him is one that has many merits, but who at the club would be making such suggestions and creating the strategy? The Glazers famously have no idea/interest in the non-financial aspects of football, nor is Woodward a "football man", so someone must be advising on those issues.

If the two Sirs are not involved in that, then who is, and what is their view on style of play and such matters?

 

[redevil2]

I know exactly what I said. Where did I say that I think it's "better to keep someone who's proven bad and not achieving but be kept in the club than to have someone so blatantly bad and sacked quickly so the club can control further damage?"

Here's a hint, I said nothing of the sort.

You came out with the ridiculous "anyone will be able to prove to be more convincing than Moyes" comment. Which is patently horseshit. You then came up with a hypothetical scenario and asked me to tell you what AVB would be thinking in said hypothetical.

And you have the gall to talk to me about logic?

My post was a question. You could have replied by saying yes, or no.

My responses to your various posts was basing on what you said you didn't want Moyes to be replaced by the like of ABV (who's a worse manager in your view).

Since it was not my opinion ABV would be worse than Moyes (given what Moyes has done in the short 8 months turning a Champion team into a mediocre team like Everton and breaking all the United records etc and my lack of confidence in what he can do in the future for us), we should try anyone (even ABV).

When you referred to ABV, you said "He would likely already have fallen out with everyone and been sacked. Seems to be his MO." remember?

Let me make it clear: You prefer Moyes over ABV or the like?

 

[Ubik]

If there's any substance to these rumours I wouldn't be shocked if he was brought in to work alongside Moyes for a few seasons.

I think SAFs influence means Moyes get to Xmas at least. But it could be SAFs influence that prevents the board bringing in someone similar to a DoF.

I'd be much more comfortable with Moyes going forward if we brought an attack minded coach/assistant/DoF in alongide him.

That would be the worst of both worlds.

I do wonder IF the club are looking at replacing Moyes, than who at the club is taking the lead on advising on the football aspect? It seems the two directors that have led on football issues are Sir Alex and Sir Bobby, both of whom are the people who championed Moyes, are closely linked to Moyes' appointment and have spoken before about supporting him and giving managers time. Would they be the ones advising on a new manager, and if they did then would they be listened to after the Moyes mess?

It seems from many posters here that a plan of bringing in van Gaal for a few years ahead of competing for a longer-term manager to succeed him is one that has many merits, but who at the club would be making such suggestions and creating the strategy? The Glazers famously have no idea/interest in the non-financial aspects of football, nor is Woodward a "football man", so someone must be advising on those issues.

If the two Sirs are not involved in that, then who is, and what is their view on style of play and such matters?

Gill will be involved, of that I'm pretty sure. By the sounds of it, if we'd listened to him from the start we'd be in a far better position now.