It's not anyone but Moyes, I doubt you'd find too many ppl backing Tony Adams or Kean to take over.
It's any reasonable manager for a top club but Moyes, which isn't at all unreasonable.
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It's any reasonable manager for a top club but Moyes, which isn't at all unreasonable.
Ando will return either way as I doubt that Fiorentina will buy him up. The only way I can think of getting rid of him is if we give him a free transfer. Irrespective of who will lead the team will be assessed. I cant see us spending 200m to 'rebuild' the side especially if we're out of Europe. The financial stain will just be too big to shoulder.
VG is not my favorite as a manager. He's old school, much of the time he had left the club in bad terms and his attitude sucks. Also if we do sign him up, he would join us after the WC is over which will probably mean that we're heading to a copy and paste summer of last year.
However the guy has ample experience in leading top sides and had developed some magnificent talent throughout the years. He's also close to RVP which for us is a major boost.
Klopp does not suit the style of Barcelona at all. He is a pressing, counter attacking manager. Barcelona are a club incessant on possessive football and starving the opposition of any options. The reason they would be in for Klopp is because they want to change their current style of football. It's no longer compatible with Xavi ageing, Puyol set to retire and a lack of Abidal at the back. Their midfield 'heir' in Thiago has gone and Fabregas has never been as deft to play in such a formation, so the change is pretty mandatory if they want to continue to succeed.
Think Ando is a goner anyways.
I don't think we need to spend £200m either. Sounds like fluff to appease the fans or may be the papers misquoting the figures or the time period and being sensationalist. I expect the figure to be close to £80m-£100m net than £200m. We can easily afford to spend that amount with the new deals that are kicking in from next season. With revenues from Europa gate receipts, TV and prize money we are looking at a £20-£25m shortfall compared to the CL. Which is reality is nothing for a club whose revenues are about to touch £400m-£425m.
VG sounds like a horrible choice to me. The bolded part in your post is my biggest fear. I rather we take the risk with Moyes and let him go by Decemeber if things do not improve. I would hate it if we get into this business of hiring and firing managers. It's a bad habit, which can be picked easily.
To be fair Moyes is also old school and after playing the blame game with the FA, our 'ageing' club and SAF I have serious doubts about his attitude. If one considers such arrogance + United performance in this year he would be fired at any other club
I am not justifying Moyes. I don't understand the point in taking another huge risk appointment to follow him. If we are going to do it, then we should do it right, imo.
It is. For all the talk about Bayern firing their way to the top of European football (an overstatement maybe), there are a lot of clubs that have fired and hired at the slightest blip, breaking even at best, and worst case sliding down the totem pole.
If we're going to fire Moyes, I want the next appointment to be a home run. Making the manager position a revolving door does little for your business margin, squad continuity and youth development, unless there is a more sturdy structure at the top that oversees the long term picture. We don't have that, yet, so yeah.
This isn't a slight blip, this is a total capitulation. There has to be some standards. We can't just continuously employ someone on the basis that "this is what we do", that's bonkers.
Darren Lewis from the Mirror was on SSN this morning and he said van Gaal would be our backup option and that Spurs haven't met with him since December. He also said the club is not impressed by van Gaal playing clubs against each other and that Klopp is our first option. Take it with a pinch of salt as Lewis is not known to be reliable, but here's the video, skip to 3:30.
Is he such a huge risk appointment though?
VG has won every place he has gone. He had contributed in the development of some of the best talent in the world including Kluivert, Overmars, Xavi, Kroos, Muller and Alaba. If you ask me, Id rather have him as manager until we get the long term manager we need then stick to someone who took us to 7th place.
This.
Van Gaal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moyes.
We're not talking about replacing David Moyes with Avram Grant. We're talking about replacing Moyes with a man used to managing and winning at big clubs, who develops young players, and loves attacking football.
If we're looking to replace Moyes and Klopp isn't available United should not pass up the chance to get Van Gaal.
The season isn't over yet. 6th is very much on.
I am not absolving Moyes from any blame but you also have to consider all the mitigating factors. It would have been difficult for anyone, barring may be a couple of other managers, to follow an institution like Sir Alex.
This is a different situation from Barca '97 or Bayern '09. A very different league, with more contenders too. We are also a team in transition that needs a rebuild with a lot of our senior players on the cusp of retirement or leaving. I am not sure that I trust, VG, a man very set in his own ways with a £100m rebuild.
The season isn't over yet. 6th is very much on.
I am not absolving Moyes from any blame but you also have to consider all the mitigating factors. It would have been difficult for anyone, barring may be a couple of other managers, to follow an institution like Sir Alex.
This is a different situation from Barca '97 or Bayern '09. A very different league, with more contenders too. We are also a team in transition that needs a rebuild with a lot of our senior players on the cusp of retirement or leaving. I am not sure that I trust, VG, a man very set in his own ways with a £100m rebuild.
I am not blaming Moyes. As you said, replacing SAF was a massive task and so is leading a big club like ours. It was unfair to give the job to some mid EPL table manager who had never won anything in his entire career in the first place. I believe that Dave is a good man and much of what he said is down to pressure. However he's clearly out of depth here.
VG is not amongst my favorites. However he's an old sly fox who wont feel awkward succeeding SAF. As said he developed some of the greatest players out there and he wont expect the club to give him 100m to build a team in 'his image'. His experience in Germany, Spain and Holland will be pretty useful as we may end up signing some hidden gems which will bolster our quality without breaking the bank. Lets face it, you dont need a genius to 'discover' Kroos or Fabregas.
Jan Aage Fjortoft: "To make it 100 % clear: Jürgen Klopp is going nowhere this summer. I know he is many fans' wet dream - that I understand - but NO CHANCE"
How reliable is this guy? apologies about the odd font.
How reliable is this guy? apologies about the odd font.
That was pretty clear. He only signed a 5 year contract last summer and still managed to come in 2nd with half his star players injured.
Ah, the 1996 World Cup. I remember it well.
Nothing is impossible in football.
BBC Football wrote it, blame the journalist not me lol
To be honest I don't think that any manager could have taken that team to the 1996 World Cup, there just wan't enough quality.
I know, just tickled me
I don't think any manager could have taken any team to the 1996 World Cup to be honest.
If anybody could have done it it would have been van Gaal, the standards were just that high.
Well yeah, but they were in a really tough group with Portugal and Ireland. Anyway, he is not the best manager around, but the situation we find ourselves in (tactically and technically behind top European clubs, no off field structure (DoF, manager coach, footballing advisers, whatever structure we have needs to be modernized and I don't see how someone who has spent 10 years at Everton could do it better than someone who has been at Barca, Ajax and Bayern), there couldn't be anyone better. Also, Bayern players, especially Schweinsteiger and Müller have strongly praised him for their development.I was referring more to the high intense pressure. If Klopp had the likes of Messi and Iniesta, I'm sure he could find time to be a bit more patient in his build up play. They need to change things up as they are a club about to go through a big transition and he has his own ideas with a touch of what Barca are about. It makes sense in my opinion.
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Where have I argued for keeping Moyes? I said, if we're going to fire him, let's get the right person this time.
Said it before, I'll say it again, would love to see van gaal coach our players, see what he could do with the Mata's, Kagawa, RvP, Januzaj's of the world and mould us into a cohesive passing unit, I also desperately wan't to get back to playing attractive, attacking football after the last few years of horseshite.
So I know, knowing my luck this VG interest is just a big crock, and have another year or two of Moyes 1980's footballing philosophy to look forward to.
So I know, knowing my luck this VG interest is just a big crock, and have another year or two of Moyes 1980's footballing philosophy to look forward to.
Missing out on the Spurs job would hardly be a life changing hardship for Van Gaal, where as managing United would most likely be his last opportunity at one of europes top clubs its a no brainer really.
Even if he missed out on the United job with his CV he will have no problems getting a job in england if that is his ambition, or he could wait a few months the Spurs job will most likely be up for grabs again in 6-8 months anyway.
Even if he missed out on the United job with his CV he will have no problems getting a job in england if that is his ambition, or he could wait a few months the Spurs job will most likely be up for grabs again in 6-8 months anyway.
We can always offer Moyes to Spurs. In that way everyone ends up happy and Moyes wont end up jobless. They can take Fellaini to.....at a price.
He's at an age where clubs would start questioning whether he's still up to the job or not. Very few managers are given a second chance at a decent club level at that age. No wonder why managers like Trap, Del Bosque and Lippi were all leading national teams at that age.
That article talks about a 'luxury problem' for van Gaal. I don't think luxury should ever be used to describe Spurs.
It sounds like he's trying to get more from Spurs. I think he's our Plan B to Moyes.
Maybe but if he wants to manage in england, he should have no problems getting a job here, how many positions open up at english clubs every year 10-15 vacancies some years with his CV he will have offers if his agent throws his name into the mix for jobs.
For him it would probably be worth the risk of losing out on the Spurs job if it meant a chance to become United manager, if it is true that we are considering him for next season it would surely be his last chance with an elite club.
To replace Moyes you mean? I'd agree. I think we have a certain someone at the top of our list and if it doesn't work out, Van Gaal's our backup. We shouldn't dither about though.
To be fair there are 4 clubs who are more prestigious than Spurs. Chelsea wont sack Mourinho, Liverpool would certainly not sack Rodgers, City will probably hold to Pellegrini, which leaves us and Spurs
I would think Klopp would be up there but it doesn't like he's leaving so van Gaal might be our only real option if we sack Moyes.
Everyone is missing the big picture here, all these stories about new managers, people coming in, have we all forgotten we STILL have David Moyes in-charge. All of this is either smoke from a fire currently raging at Old Trafford or hypothetical non-sense not too dissimilar to the rubbish I spout.
So since im one of these nutter. If you had to choose, Van Gaal or Klopp.
So since im one of these nutter. If you had to choose, Van Gaal or Klopp.
I'm sure almost everyone would agree Klopp.
To be fair, if there's really a top 4 clause inserted in Moyes contract then we cant officially talk with anyone unless, our chances of getting the top 4 place are nil.
That is very true but that fact that this is starting to be talked about would indicate to me that people are manoeuvring in the background. I can't imagine this sort of stuff would be coming out if there weren't some doubts.
Exactly so if his options are United or Spurs it makes sense for him to wait to see if the United job becomes available.
Most premier league clubs pay very good wages compared to the rest of europe i think i read allardyce in one of the top 10 paid coaches in the world, so if he doesn't end up at United he can earn great money somewhere else.
Absolutely. But if it's a short term fix, van Gaal will do until someone suitable comes along.
Moyes is toast. A holocaust of a season.
I don't see what United would be waiting for. If they're seriously considering Van Gaal it must mean they've concluded Moyes has blown his chance. The season is over in reality - so why wait? The sooner a deal can be done with a good candidate, the better, surely - even if that candidate needs to do a job in Brazil first.
I don't put too much stock in these rumours. They're easy enough to bandy about at the moment. Seems the whole world believes Moyes will get the sack. It wasn't long ago that Gullit, another one who is supposedly "close to" van Gaal, claimed the Spurs deal was pretty much in the bag.
I don't put too much stock in these rumours. They're easy enough to bandy about at the moment. Seems the whole world believes Moyes will get the sack. It wasn't long ago that Gullit, another one who is supposedly "close to" van Gaal, claimed the Spurs deal was pretty much in the bag.
No one is missing the big picture here. Everyone is fully aware that Moyes is still in charge. That doesn't mean speculation regarding potential successors isn't extremely welcome.
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