As I said, it doesn't make it easier for them. Moyes has tricked us into believing that having a new manager is a handicap, it isn't. Chelsea and City are better off this season with Mourinho and Pellegrini than they were last year with Di Matte/Benitez and Mancini.
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As I said, it doesn't make it easier for them. Moyes has tricked us into believing that having a new manager is a handicap, it isn't. Chelsea and City are better off this season with Mourinho and Pellegrini than they were last year with Di Matte/Benitez and Mancini.
This is embarassing, we would have laughed and plastered that post in the RAWK goes on the meltdown. Infact we have
1. Replace Suarez -> Ronaldo/Rooney/Cantona/RvP nad sturridge with Carrick/Rooney/Welbeck/Ole/whomever
2. Weakest team to ever win a premier league? I thought that's fecking us last year?
3. They've had luck and we don't? 1999? 2008? Own Goals galore 2 years ago?
4. So it's blamed on transition? Weren't Liverpool is under their own transition themselves?
Stop being so bitter, it's embarassing, just go with "Hate them cnuts" and leave the actual football side alone
the only handicap we have is Moyes and his inability to motivate the team to get consistent results.
He did not improve the team when he had the chance, instead we had the farce that was the last 2 transfer windows.
And no, they won't be the worst PL champions ever. They've done extremely well and if they win the league, they will likely have finished on 89 points with over 100 goals scored - it's a remarkable feat. Also, on their way to the title they will have convincingly beaten all other top 7 teams at least once (perhaps aside from Chelsea against whom they don't really need to win now) - 5-0 and 4-0 v Spurs, 3-0 v United, 5-1 v Arsenal, 4-0 v Everton, they were very dominant in those games.
This is a very impressive Liverpool side.
This is a very impressive Liverpool side.
There's no doubt that a managerial change has made us significantly weaker. To use the same argument for Chelsea and City not winning the league would be silly though as for instance Mourinho has actually managed to have them competing for the title properly for the first time since 2010.
This will stick in my throat but I have to agree with this, they are not even close to being the worst PL Champs.
They have played the best football all season and have beaten the top 6 teams and beaten them well.
FFS I feel dirty after writing that.
I don't understand what this is supposed to show?
I just went on the Tottenham page equivalent and Sandro and dembele to start off with, who have both spent vast swathes of the season injured, are shown as green all the way through....
I agree, they won't be the worst champions, they have deserved this title, no two ways about it.
However, I will say that in regards to their squad, it's probably one of the weakest to ever win it. They have been very fortunate to keep key players fit for large parts of the season. They have not had to use their squad too much. Luck does play a role in every title win and their luck has come in regards to fitness in my opinion.
However, I will say that in regards to their squad, it's probably one of the weakest to ever win it. They have been very fortunate to keep key players fit for large parts of the season. They have not had to use their squad too much. Luck does play a role in every title win and their luck has come in regards to fitness in my opinion.
I wouldn't write Chelsea just yet.
They're only a game away from actually having the title at least "theirs to lose" i.e. win at anfield.
And when the push comes to shove in a do or die game, there's only one man I would want to bet my life on and that's Mourinho (and yes, not even SAF)
They're only a game away from actually having the title at least "theirs to lose" i.e. win at anfield.
And when the push comes to shove in a do or die game, there's only one man I would want to bet my life on and that's Mourinho (and yes, not even SAF)
In fact, just had a look at the Liverpool squad. I'd say Johnson, Suarez, Gerrard, Coutinho, Henderson, Sturridge, Sterling, Skrtel and Mignolet are the core, key players in that squad. Any others? Possibly Flannagan as well? I'm not sure if he was injured or only became a starter part way through the season.
So far out of 34 games, they've played 25, 29, 30, 29, 34, 26, 31, 32 and 34 respectively.
That is a very clean bill of health for your spine imo.
So far out of 34 games, they've played 25, 29, 30, 29, 34, 26, 31, 32 and 34 respectively.
That is a very clean bill of health for your spine imo.
If Liverpool go on to win the league (which is by no means a done deal) we may well have done it with the weakest squad ever but guess what? That would make the victory even better. Not only that but it would put to bed your assumptions that we will automatically revert to form next season after we strengthen in the summer, given that strengthening in the summer is your reason for you guys automatically returning to form.
Well done SER for quite possibly the worst post I've read.
Well done SER for quite possibly the worst post I've read.
How exactly did we strengthen in the summer?
I think he means this summer
I mean this summer and your return to form next season
We replaced our old wrinkly Scotsman for a younger wrinkly Scotsman. Strength.
So? Johnson an RB who can't defend, Gerrard's a 33 years old, Henderson/Sterling/Skrtel are players we claims to be rubbish, Mignolet was just a very good keeper from a midtable they plucked last year, and don't let me get started on Flannagan
Still impressive feat to win it with such a mediocre squad, shows what a tactical plan can do to a bunch of average player (bar suarez and sturidge), We of all fans should know that first hand having winning for 2 decades with determination and grit as our main strenght.
Wait, what? I'm not talking about how good their squad is or the merits of any of their players. I'm responding to the fans that said Liverpool have had a lot of injuries. Their core 9 or so players in their squad, their spine, have appeared with consistency this season.
Whisper it...shhhh...but maybe the secret is that these average players are a lot better than most on the Caf actually think...but keep this to yourselves as it's actually Liverpool's most potent weapon - being profoundly underestimated.
25 = 70% (out of 34 games)
29 = 85%
30 = 88%
29 = 85%
34 = 100%
26 = 76%
31 = 91%
32 = 94%
34 = 100%
I don't know if that included CoC and Fa cup, but judging from that , I'd say they have a fair share of injuries, and Rodgers definitely benefits from No Europe, hence he can field a more solid and constant strongest XI. And we haven't brought substitution in there, not to mention that Suarez also misses a good chuck of the starter game due to suspension (IIRC) or was it last last year?
He missed the first 6 games this season.
How is that a fair chunk of injuries? 5 of those 9 players have played 30 or more of those 34 league games so far.
The 5 league games Suarez missed were down to his suspension, otherwise he hasn't been injured in the league.
Only Johnson and Sturridge can be said to have missed a significant chunk of the season through injury out of those players.
I'm a bit confused tbh. You seem to be disagreeing with me by saying they've had their fair share of injuries (despite the numbers) but then are saying he's been able to field a constant starting 11?
The 5 league games Suarez missed were down to his suspension, otherwise he hasn't been injured in the league.
Only Johnson and Sturridge can be said to have missed a significant chunk of the season through injury out of those players.
I'm a bit confused tbh. You seem to be disagreeing with me by saying they've had their fair share of injuries (despite the numbers) but then are saying he's been able to field a constant starting 11?
What I'm saying is that, they are bit lucky that they have no "major injury" to their squad. But I wouldn't say they're Injury free as well. All I'm saying is that, their injuries (the statement that is based on the numbers we plucked above) is quite normal for EPL clubs IMO, and they're simply "normal" on the injury table this year.
Defenders / keepers are mostly a 30+ game a season, don't ask me why but strikers/wingers seems to get injured the most, compared to Center Backs.
Exactly. City's result last night showed how easy it is for even the top sides to drop points against the lower clubs, especially ones fighting relegation. We'll not have it easy at Carrow Road on Sunday that's for sure, if we drop points there & Chelsea beat Sunderland, then our match against them at Anfield could pretty much be the title decider (although we still have the little matter of having to play Palace away yet). & like you say, if there's one man who can get his side set-up to get something out of a match, it's Mourinho.
This ain't over by a long way yet. At the moment I'm just happy that we'll probably finish in the top 3 & be in the CL without the need to play in a tricky qualifier. The thought of us being in this position at the start of the season would have been a lot more than any of us dared dream.
The fact that this thread has descended into a pedantic analysis of Liverpool's injuries thus far suggests how far they've come. It used to be all about boom / busy cycles, RAWK in meltdown and generally laughing at the 'delusion'. Breaking down injury lists is a sure sign that things have taken a turn for the surprising.
Nah...I just don't think that is being totally honest. You have a bloody brilliant chance of grabbing that title since you play Chelsea at home. I understand trying to keep the hopes and dreams in check...but believe me I doubt there is an hour that passes where you don't pray and ache for that title win!! If you don't win it...you will be very down...it's just the way football is, especially when you realise this is probably the best chance you'll have of winning it considering how much dosh City and Chelsea will spend this summer....(not that that guarrantees anything..but you get my drift)
I'm a spurs fan, so I was never really involved in that stuff. I'm merely pointing out that Liverpools injury situation has been pretty good this season.
This is no excuse or whatever word you want to use. If Liverpool win the league this season, it will be fully deserved.
I agree. This is the chance. The triumph of securing CL football has now been superseded with higher hopes.
Forgive me, but the screaming subtext is that it's an excuse and a qualification for Liverpool's strong season.
It's your title and has been for a while now. Even if you lose to Chelsea you'll still win it.
How? Do you honestly expect Chelsea to drop points against Sunderland at home or will it be Norwich to beat them at Stamford?
Didn't city draw to Sunderland at home yesterday? It's Liverpool's title.
Which I don't think is necessarily wrong? A relative lack of injuries doesn't mean you don't also fully deserve the title. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You've had an exceptional season by anyone's standards, even if you somehow finish 3rd now. No amount of talking about injuries can take away from that.
Does that automatically mean Chelsea will also draw? It doesn't even make it more likely for Sunderland to get anything at Stamford, they're still massive underdogs going there and will likely lose.
It's far from over, we have tough games coming up and I still think we will drop points.
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Saw on twitter that they've only conceded 1 goal at home in the league in 2014 and obviously they haven't lost there all season. So yeah, don't think the bottom table side is going to get anything there.
Knowing Chelsea they'll go out and beat Sunderland and Liverpool and then go and lose one of the last two and give the title to Liverpool.
Some injuries haven't been updated, Flanagan for Liverpool was out for about 4 games and hadn't been update. It's just to give a genera overview.
Quite refreshing over the past few days, I've been staying with my parents which has given me the opportunity to have a right old rant at real people about Moyes.
Since my Bro-in-law is a Scouser and my Nephew is a Scouse sympathiser, they've been ready to give me a right old ribbing, but I've taken it on the chin and accepted our disastrous season under Moyes.
Difference is, they've been saying how wonderful Scousepool has been over the last 20 years, whereas I freely admitted we aren't anywhere near where we should be.
I don't have a problem, per se, with LFC winning the league, at least they have built a team rather than buying it, but it's their fecking fans I can't stand. I want to see that cnut Gerrard crying on the last day of the season when they fall short. Not that I want either of the other contenders to win it, the 3 teams in contention are the 3 teams I'd least like to win the league.
Since my Bro-in-law is a Scouser and my Nephew is a Scouse sympathiser, they've been ready to give me a right old ribbing, but I've taken it on the chin and accepted our disastrous season under Moyes.
Difference is, they've been saying how wonderful Scousepool has been over the last 20 years, whereas I freely admitted we aren't anywhere near where we should be.
I don't have a problem, per se, with LFC winning the league, at least they have built a team rather than buying it, but it's their fecking fans I can't stand. I want to see that cnut Gerrard crying on the last day of the season when they fall short. Not that I want either of the other contenders to win it, the 3 teams in contention are the 3 teams I'd least like to win the league.
I hope to God if we're going to win it then we win it at Palace as I'm not sure my nerves would take a final day drama. I can only imagine how players deal with it.
But first things first, Norwich. Won't be as easy as previous occasions but it would be nice to have a comfortable win. Seems like ages.
I prefer Chelsea to Arsenal, but 3 out of 4 I'd least like...
Your going to get beat at Norwich on Sunday, and you'll all be wetting your pants and biting your fingernails again, hoping for someone else to slip up.
I am sick of hearing that "it is written". Its not written, you will either win enough points or you won't, and history says that winning 14 on the bounce is as rare as rocking horse shit, so my money is on an L this weekend.
I am sick of hearing that "it is written". Its not written, you will either win enough points or you won't, and history says that winning 14 on the bounce is as rare as rocking horse shit, so my money is on an L this weekend.