So they sign Messi....then go back to Peps style at Barca.....which mean your saying he HAS changed style for Bayern, which he has. Tweaked it at least. Though I found it odd he didn't play either Martinez or Gotze, if not both, he bowed down to the Franz/Bayern fanbase pressure and went more their way than his. That will be his argument to keep his job, and he should.
Pep Guardiola's Bayern
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If Heynckes was still manager they would not have gotten destroyed 5-0. That will be the argument against Guardiola.
Pep can't say that the team has accomplished more this season than last season.
Pep can't say that the team has accomplished more this season than last season.
That isn't an argument though. It's speculation. No way to know. Just like I can say if he just stuck to his guns and player the formation he's been using mostly this year with the players he probably wanted too....0-4 wouldn't have happened either.
Don't know how to respond to that in all honesty. @Piratesoup I'm sure you will be very vocal about it.
Don't know how to respond to that in all honesty. @Piratesoup I'm sure you will be very vocal about it.
He can't be serious.
Don't know how to respond to that in all honesty. @Piratesoup I'm sure you will be very vocal about it.
Don't know how to respond to that in all honesty. @Piratesoup I'm sure you will be very vocal about it.
He is gonna double down on possession next season. We can help you get rid of Schwein and Martinez 
It hurts, so much!
To be honest I've always been an avid supporter of Pep. I loved his Barcelona side and really wish he succeeds with us as well. Just, you know, a little less stubbornness. I'm hoping Rummenigge and the others all have a long talk over the summer. I really don't get why he is unwilling to just accept that his system didn't work.
In his defence, he also mentioned that we played badly when we had the ball and that it's his responsibility and he made a mistake. Makes it sound much better than the other quote.
@crappycraperson Haha, I'd rather keep them in all honestly!
It hurts, so much!
To be honest I've always been an avid supporter of Pep. I loved his Barcelona side and really wish he succeeds with us as well. Just, you know, a little less stubbornness. I'm hoping Rummenigge and the others all have a long talk over the summer. I really don't get why he is unwilling to just accept that his system didn't work.
@crappycraperson Haha, I'd rather keep them in all honestly!
Thiago-Kroos
--Lahm---
is Pep's choice right? If you buy a RB to move Lahm full time to MF, I don't think Martinez would be happy as a back up for second season in a row.
His style of football is generally very effective, as long as you have the players to fit around it. They don't at Bayern, really. It's not a side that naturally wants to keep the ball for 75% of the game - it wants to counter at pace and to generally have control as opposed to simply monopolising possession. Pep has made them look incredibly uninspiring from an attacking point of view.
The one thing that's always annoyed me about his Barcelona side and now the Bayern side is how little he seems to work on defensive tactics. The two goals conceded from set pieces today were just ridiculous to see at this level. It's borne out of a massive sense of arrogance that his teams are too good for this kind of work. He thinks his sides are too good for all the players to play in their rightful positions too. Lahm and Martinez have been criminally misused.
This defeat was coming. He'll be sacked before the end of next season, I would imagine.
The one thing that's always annoyed me about his Barcelona side and now the Bayern side is how little he seems to work on defensive tactics. The two goals conceded from set pieces today were just ridiculous to see at this level. It's borne out of a massive sense of arrogance that his teams are too good for this kind of work. He thinks his sides are too good for all the players to play in their rightful positions too. Lahm and Martinez have been criminally misused.
This defeat was coming. He'll be sacked before the end of next season, I would imagine.
Don't know how to respond to that in all honesty. @Piratesoup I'm sure you will be very vocal about it.
Nah... lost for words.
Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge was scathing about the performance of the Bundesliga winners and defending European champions.
Im looking forward to Beckenbauer´s article. The man knows his football
Don't know how to respond to that in all honesty. @Piratesoup I'm sure you will be very vocal about it.
Reckon that's a poor translation, or taken out of context. The quotes I've read seem a lot more reasonable - that they played badly, conceded poor goals at set pieces and didn't use the ball well. He also said it was his fault (which it was), so I'm not sure there's anything to criticise post-match.
http://as.com/diarioas/2014/04/30/english/1398811061_531932.html
To be honest this is simply conjecture.
I hope so much that Bayern are foolish and and make a rash decision and sack him. Guardiola as United manager is the most perfect dream one could wish for.
Guardiola is a genius. Exquisite football manager and human being. A manager who requires his teams play remarkable football. Domination, movement, and technical skill. This is the correct way to play football. It was heartbreaking watching Bayern dismantled solely by athleticism, pace, and set plays. The better footballing team was defeated. Frustrating that the only answer to Guardiola's visionary method of play is to outrun, out-muscle, and out-jump. This is football, not the Olympic Games.
Predictable that all the internet super-fan lemmings are ridiculing and mocking Guardiola. They are bored, his football has been too successful, so now they are happy it is defeated in the only possible way. These fans have a microscopic attention span. They need something new to captivate them. I am 100% certain the same cretins of cataclysmic football who are reveling in Guardiola's defeat are the very same United fans who are simply bored of Rooney. They want a new toy, Rooney has been United's talisman for far too long, let us sell him. Guardiola's work and style of play has been the benchmark in world football for too long, we are bored and need something new. Running very fast on the counter-attack, Stone Age football, but let's revel in it for it beats Guardiola's enlightened approach.
Guardiola is a genius. Exquisite football manager and human being. A manager who requires his teams play remarkable football. Domination, movement, and technical skill. This is the correct way to play football. It was heartbreaking watching Bayern dismantled solely by athleticism, pace, and set plays. The better footballing team was defeated. Frustrating that the only answer to Guardiola's visionary method of play is to outrun, out-muscle, and out-jump. This is football, not the Olympic Games.
Predictable that all the internet super-fan lemmings are ridiculing and mocking Guardiola. They are bored, his football has been too successful, so now they are happy it is defeated in the only possible way. These fans have a microscopic attention span. They need something new to captivate them. I am 100% certain the same cretins of cataclysmic football who are reveling in Guardiola's defeat are the very same United fans who are simply bored of Rooney. They want a new toy, Rooney has been United's talisman for far too long, let us sell him. Guardiola's work and style of play has been the benchmark in world football for too long, we are bored and need something new. Running very fast on the counter-attack, Stone Age football, but let's revel in it for it beats Guardiola's enlightened approach.
I'm done.
Not a big fan of Pep's football but some people need to chill out He's won the league, is in the German cup final, and went out in the semi final of the CL. He may have screwed up his tactics tonight, but it's still a superb season. And if he's sacked as some are suggesting here because he failed to replicate last year's treble it'll be moronic beyond words.
He's won the league, is in the German cup final, and went out in the semi final of the CL. He may have screwed up his tactics tonight, but it's still a superb season. And if he's sacked as some are suggesting here because he failed to replicate last year's treble it'll be moronic beyond words.What garbage. I would love to see Pep at United even though I am no fan of tik-tika but the football played by Madrid today or by Dortmund under Klopp is no lesser in any way than one played by Pep's teams.
Yeap would be Real-seque to sack him. Who will Bayern hire anyway? I doubt Heynckes would come out of retirement, he pretty much went on a perfect note.Not a big fan of Pep's football but some people need to chill out
Although Lahm has been alright in midfield I really don't want him there full time. He is a RB, end off. Javi is one of the best defensive midfielders and was one of the biggest reasons why we won the treble last year. He slotted in perfectly and it pains me not to see him used there. Thiago-Kroos I'm fine with, they seem to have a great synergy whilst playing together. Funnily enough, without Thiago we have been dreadful, his injury has been a huge blow to the team.
@Bob Loblaw I just read the article on AS, the quotes there are much better indeed. And I completely agree with him, we just didn't play well amongst ourselves. But not to discredit Madrid as they were superb. Funnily enough, one guy on a Bayern forum posted the quote as simply saying "We lost because we didn't have enough possession". Goes without saying he is one of the many knee-jerkers around tonight saying he needs to be sacked.
He won't be sacked, it's ridiculous to think otherwise. The board invested a lot into hiring him and gave him a 3 year contract for a reason. They knew his philosophy and what to expect. He is one of the biggest names in world football and will get the time he deserves to stamp his mark. And it's stupid to say that we wouldn't have lost with Jupp. For all we know, he may not have been able to motivate the team at all. Last season was a one of a kind type of season in my opinion. We were on a mission from start to finish, driven by the awful 2011/12 finish to the season. He was hardly going to repeat that. Players lose motivation after such a successful season and then you have to factor in that we have also suffered lots of injuries for the entire season. In the long-run a defeat like that might work in our favour as it will definitely inspire the team to show they are not done.
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"Had SAF been manager, we would not have finished 7th."
I think it is fair to say that Bayern would not have gotten destroyed.
This tie was extremely easy for Madrid. That is Bayern's fault.
Bayern did not look good against Arsenal or United. A broken dressing room with an incompetent manager was 30 minutes away from eliminating them. They have not been good in this CL. They are not even at the level of last season's club.
It was Pep's fifth Champions League campaign. FIFTH! He's won two and made the semi-finals the other three times. Incredible.
Not a big fan of Pep's football but some people need to chill out
German football is shite. There are good players, but as a whole it is a joke of a league.
See german forum users? See what Guardiola has done?
Point being?
He doesn't know what a defence is though. Needs more Pulis.
Meaning that his accomplishments in Germany are meaningless. They are the best German club by a mile.
Their true test is the CL. He failed(miserably)
Only last year there were two German clubs in the Champions League final.
Sure, Bayern were poor against Real Madrid in both legs, but does that readily translate to German football being shit? I disagree.
So you're comparing an entire season to one game? Its conjecture, not based on fact, simples.
I agree that Bayern haven't looked the strongest lately but they still made the semis. One bad game in what has been a successful campaign. Im sure their fans are upset at the manner in which they went out though.
Controlling possession and pressing high up the pitch is his way of defending. The problem tonight was that their pressing wasn't great, their centre backs don't seem very suitable for the high line (might be wrong, a Bayern fan can correct me) and that it's almost impossible to defend against an on form Real Madrid.
Agreed. I rate Neil Lennon's title triumph this season on a par with Guardiola's, if not higher.
That's why BVB almost destroyed Real with almost the whole first eleven missing.
In my opinion a full strenght BVB is better than Real. Bayern have been in a horrible condition for weeks already. They are nowhere near their best, everyone should know that.
That's why BVB almost destroyed Real with almost the whole first eleven missing.
Bayern have been in a horrible condition for weeks already. They are nowhere near their best, everyone should know that.
Real clearly did not take that game as seriously as they should, they were sitting on a 3-0 advantage and had no Christiano. Still did enough to go through. Recall also that Dortmund were lucky to get past Malaga last season as well. But don't worry, BVB will have the chance to show their worth next season, as will us!
It has also been noted that Bayern have struggled against strong teams this season. Defeat to Man City, having trouble against 11-man Arsenal, not breaking them down in the 2nd leg (despite being heavily depleted, Arsenal I mean) having some serious trouble versus United, and now getting hammered by Real Madrid. Nothing lasts forever mate. The shock factor of Bayern Munich has now been lost forever, now everyone prepares accordingly for them. Let's see what they can do next season, with a new, more traditionally German manager I would presume.
Its hilarious that a missing Ronaldo is suppossed be a valid argument pro Madrid but Dortmund missing SIX regular starters in both legs is completely ignored. And no, they did not do enough. They were lucky to advance, because Dortmund had the chances to kick them out. They have the wood work and bad finishing on Dortmund´s side to thank to slip through.
So by your logic, Dortmund must be far and away the best team on the planet right now. Especially when their 6 players return next season.
The same way you claim that Bayern have been below their best tonight, Real Madrid can also say about their game in Dortmund. I hope you can appreciate this line of reasoning.
I am guessing he will not be Bayern manager next season. Surely not...
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