Do you see Hummels wanting to leave even if we bid 50mil? Comes across as a Dortmund guy through and through to me. I dont see why he'd want to come to us and if he doesnt, do you need the money to sell him for 50mil?
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Do you see Hummels wanting to leave even if we bid 50mil? Comes across as a Dortmund guy through and through to me. I dont see why he'd want to come to us and if he doesnt, do you need the money to sell him for 50mil?
Pal I appreciate what your points are and the perfect sense large investment following years of under investment would make. "Yes I know we just spent 30m GBP on a CM Mr Glazer but it turns our he can no longer make the bench so we need the same amount again for the same position...opppsss". Strootman was closer to 12m I believe. We can fix the failures in our squad in my opinion for less than 100m and I think thats important because I dont see us spending anything more.
If we do end up with Van Gaal I think I'd be confident that we have made the correct choice. He seems like exactly the kind of person we need in charge, experienced but with a modern philosophy. He'll give the players a kick up the arse, look to promote youth, bring back some style to our play and have the pull to attract the big names. Woody, get him signed!
I totally agree we could have done better in the market last season or even before that. Getting Fellaini for 27mil when we could have had both Strootman and Thiago(if he wanted to come) for 30mil looks downright crazy.
But, what's done is done. Our squad does need investment with so many inevitable exits this season for one reason or the other. A club like ours cannot be away from the CL for another year and the PL is really competitive right now. So if we need to invest, we must.
I agree with the last bit btw. There's no way we're spending more than 100mil in a single summer. And it wont be a problem either imo because what we need can be covered in 100mil. I dont see us getting Rues or Hummels anyways so I'm not including them in the spending.
I think we'l get a LB, a CM and maybe a CB. That can easily be covered within 100mil. I dont see us going for another attacker at all considering the talent already at the club.
Bayern can keep Kroos if they would want that much
How much do you think will make them sell? They're cnuts when it comes to not letting players they dont want to, leave the club. They did it with Ballack and by all means, will do it with Kroos as well if he doesnt sign. It'd take mental money to force them to sell imo.
Reus apparently has a 35 mil € release clause so he'll be cheaper. Kroos is on his last year with Bayern it would be crazy to bid too high, if he is actually interested I think 40 mil should do it. Hummels seems quite loyal to Dortmund I cant see him leaving unless it was Barca who came for him.
That clause doesn't kick in until next season.
How much do you think will make them sell? They're cnuts when it comes to not letting players they dont want to, leave the club. They did it with Ballack and by all means, will do it with Kroos as well if he doesnt sign. It'd take mental money to force them to sell imo.
40 million euros IS mental money for their fourth best midfielder on the last year of his contract. If they are being cnuts, then they can keep him.
No, CB is a real priority now with Vidic gone and Rio possibly retiring. We need at least a new one. And at least one CM and a LB.
Dortmund have apparently been looking at Schar from Basel as Hummels' replacement since last year, and VG has made him a top target. Hell, if we can't get Hummels we can try for him instead.
It can be activated just in 2015, so if we want him now, as Sphaero says, we'll have to pay over the odds, heavily.
They will if we dont bid mental. They're Bayern Munich, ofcourse they're cnuts
I said we'd get a CB. The Maybe there is to indicate we might go for a squaddie rather than a top player. Sorry that wasnt clear.
That clause is for next year.
They will if we dont bid mental. They're Bayern Munich, ofcourse they're cnuts
I guess our definition of mental amount for Kroos is different. I think he lacks that amount of dynamism that we require so while I want him, there is a certain limit above which I wish we don't go and that limit is way below the 50 million euros quoted.
The situation with Ballack is often brought up but it's very different to the current one. He was their best player and they weren't as strong as they are now. They can let Kroos go with better players in their ranks ready to take the extra burden.
It may go up somewhat, but I don't think it's sustainable for us to spend the sort of money that's being talked about.
No, but I do think an offer in that region could make Dortmund consider, if Hummels would be adamant to leave. He clearly isn´t, so that is all hypothetical. 50 Mil. € would be a lot for a CB. It would infact make him the most expensive one of all time.
I hope we get Shaw and Carvalho in before we indulge in the mega money transfers. They'll probably take most of the summer, like Bale to Madrid last year. But they wrapped up isco, illaramendi and Carvajal pretty early iirc.
Yep, its like they have all been given a template and told to fill in the rest.
Signing likely next week here.
Giggs bit here.
Transfer targets here.
etc...
I think it would take more than £50m to get Reus, didn't Madrid bid £50m for him last season and it was turned down? It would take a lot more than that to bring him.
Got to hand it to Moyesie for unearthing gems such as Reus, Kroos and Hummels. Makes van Gaal's job all the more easier.
The most interesting thing about this is that Moyes apparently gave Woodward and co a "realistic" list of targets who completely underwhelmed them and had them wondering how the hell he hoped to get back into the top 4 signing players like that let alone win the league.
Think Guillem Ballbag was saying recently Moyes had unearthed some potential in a certain Lionel Messi (think that's his name) playing in Spain currently.
LVG should look into that too.
Presumably these names are top targets. If the positions they're intending to fill have been identified as areas needing improvement we may get one or two of our top targets and then settle for second or third choices elsewhere.
50 Mil. Euro, not pound and that was one year further away from 2015, the year when his release clause will take effect. If Dortmund manages to get rid of that clause, he is basically unreachable.
It is funny when all this talk of revamping the scouting system and all he came up with was guys he used to manage and some of the most well-known footballers on the continent.
I dont care about the amount personally. 30mil or 50, if the club feels its worth it, am fine with it. I do agree though and I've said it elsewhere, Kroos isnt the kind of CM we need. If we get him, we must get another too.
Yeah, It'd be great money for a CB ofcourse and if you're getting Ginter, it'l leave you with a huge sum to reinvest but as you said, it'l only happen if Hummels actively wants to leave which I dont see happening.
Peoples perception of transfer values is incredibly skewed after the Mata buy.
Chelsea took £37.5m 1. because we wanted him that badly to have a marquee signing 2. They were selling to a domestic rival. If he was going to somewhere like Madrid or Barca he probably would have gone for around £28-30m.
50-60m for Reus is laughable for many reasons. The most of which is Dortmund arent sitting on a pile of cash you know, they arent a financial super-power we just have to dangle quadruple his wages and hell be chomping at the bit to join. Offer a respectable 35m and I think we can land him, his agent company would be getting a sizable slice of income over the contract period, their stars will be playing for the biggest commercial team in world football which will likely lead to lucrative deals with Nike or Addidas for player sponsorship. The Ronaldo comparisons will spark up "can Reus be as important as Ronnie was" then theres the "new look United".
Would Dortmund sell? of course they would, do you honestly think they would turn down 35m that they can buy a replacement for Gotze, Reus and Lewandowski, you have to remember they are currently rebuilding and dont have the financial muscle to just "buy" they first need to sell.
Chelsea took £37.5m 1. because we wanted him that badly to have a marquee signing 2. They were selling to a domestic rival. If he was going to somewhere like Madrid or Barca he probably would have gone for around £28-30m.
50-60m for Reus is laughable for many reasons. The most of which is Dortmund arent sitting on a pile of cash you know, they arent a financial super-power we just have to dangle quadruple his wages and hell be chomping at the bit to join. Offer a respectable 35m and I think we can land him, his agent company would be getting a sizable slice of income over the contract period, their stars will be playing for the biggest commercial team in world football which will likely lead to lucrative deals with Nike or Addidas for player sponsorship. The Ronaldo comparisons will spark up "can Reus be as important as Ronnie was" then theres the "new look United".
Would Dortmund sell? of course they would, do you honestly think they would turn down 35m that they can buy a replacement for Gotze, Reus and Lewandowski, you have to remember they are currently rebuilding and dont have the financial muscle to just "buy" they first need to sell.
If reports about the new deals and our debt is true, we can easily spend 100mil this summer and considerable amounts from now on( not 100mil every summer obviously)
Wrong.
No one should worry about our finances, the fact we have debt is actually an asset to club in the current business model. We tick along very nicely and are probably currently the second richest club in terms of what we can spend without being touched by FFP the first being Madrid.
Care to explain? Im all up for being proven wrong but with an argument.
Not only that, but he actually traveled to Germany to make sure that they were good. Same with Vidal and Pogba. What a genius.
We're desperate and everyone knows it. I think we are going to be paying a premium for most of our transfers this summer. But then we usually do anyway.
They are losing Lewandowski this summer. While it's difficult to replace a top player, it's still possible without losing too much quality if you reinvest properly. The same can't be said if you lose two of your best players in one transfer window. The number of variables, in terms of quality of the new players coming in and how they settle, become high and there is a risk of falling off the pace. Sure 50 million is a lot of money but they stand to lose a lot more if they sell him and aren't able to properly replace him. Of course, there comes a point when the money becomes too good to turn down, but I don't think a 50 million euro is that point.
We paid around about what Mata is worth and that was when he was not really in their first team plans. Reus is very important to Dortmund and he will definitely go for more than what Mata went for.
The Mata transfer is irrelevant. You've never been able to use "this club paid this amount for Y, so X must be worth.." it's never worked out like that. We don't know what might motivate Dortmund to sell or what price they'd sell at. I'd agree that he wouldn't come cheap but you can't cite other deals as a guideline for it as every deal takes place in its own unique set of circumstance. They may well want some cash to rebuild elsewhere or have another target in mind.
They've fallen well behind Bayern two years in a row maybe they want to make changes. You could argue you don't do that by selling your best players but then again you don't make changes by selling off the third choice keeper either.
There's also a case of learning from the Lewandowski thing and not letting their assets sit out their contracts and go for free or there might be release clauses or any number of things.
Supply & Demand
The yardstick for the Mata transfer is the Ozil transfer. I think Mata is as good as Ozil and therefore it was the right price, if not a bit cheap.
Im not sure about that, I think that's exactly what happens. Isnt that the logic that led to the valuation of Carrol? Isnt that why Bale cost what he did? Id say that is why inflation in transfer fees is so high, because every time a player moves for big money it becomes a new benchmark against which forthcoming transfers are valued.
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