I would think the paperwork will have been done by then, anyway. The only real risk, for me, is if it puts unnecessary pressure on LVG during his early stages here, as he could be constantly compared to an idealised fantasy of how Giggs would've done.
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I think it was brought up earlier, or maybe in another thread? To answer your question, yes, he pulled out his hanging brain in front of the Bayern squad.
Are we still talking about him being manager right?
I was just thinking vaguely about the whole 'if there was a United B' thing, and it struck me that this would be yet another way to take advantage of that set-up. It would be the perfect job to give to Giggs. Not risking too much, keeps him under the club's wing, takes him far enough away from Van Gaal that his presence won't add pressure if LVG has a bad run of games or something, and he'd be just the right sort to be entrusted with our young talents.
I'm not actually making the argument for the whole B-side system, or suggesting it will/could ever happen in this country. Just vaguely fantasising.
I'm not actually making the argument for the whole B-side system, or suggesting it will/could ever happen in this country. Just vaguely fantasising.
I think he was being sarcastic?
Can definitely see where you're coming from here. It is a shame there isn't really a way we can keep him 'in club' whilst he gets the kind of experience he should be seeking if he wants a future in management.
McDonnell reporting a 2 year deal has been agreed.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-uniteds-new-manager-louis-3484401
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-uniteds-new-manager-louis-3484401
DiscoMirror? Really?
They misspelled "six year deal".
I don't think the subject matter requires the need for us to try and define the motivations behind our posts.
In case you were wondering though, I was attempting humour. Albeit using obviously covered material.
Actions speak louder than words for me. What a footballer says to an interviewer has around about zero credibility.
Don't get me wrong, I've been arguing on here for months that RVP won't leave, Moyes wouldn't want to let him go and he isn't in a position to force the issue. But it's one of the best explanations I can see for how we got where we are with Cavani. Otherwise I just don't see what the club is doing sniffing around a £60m striker.
I'd be delighted with a 2 year deal. If it goes not so well, we can get rid and it won't cost us so much. Even if it's going quite well we have a chance to replace if we think someone better is available and if it goes great, I doubt many other clubs will be in for him so we can give him a rolling extension like SAF had.
I just assumed it'd be a 3 year but I guess LvG is happy with 2. I'm sure if all goes well we will extend it by a year. Overall, I don't see him being here longer than 3 years. By which time Klopp may be available, and we'd all take that scenario.
Pretty much a done deal it seems. Hopefully the club is starting work on transfers now.
Will he spend it though?
Or will he sell players he doesn't want and promote youth he has identified to have the potential to make an impact and so end up making the Glazer's money.
Funny turn of events, here they are concerned about their investment throwing money at the new manager. And he very well might see something special in a few youngsters.
That said, I can see the club going ahead on his request for the likes of Luke Shaw, Kroos / Fabregas and Reus. Whether we get them is another question though, he also trusts RVP since he is his captain therefore he will have information about areas needed to improve.
Two year contract would be disappointing although I imagine as Fergie did in the last few years it'll probably be two years initially then a rolling option every 12 months. If he's not successful fairly easy to get rid of and if he is he can stay as long as he wishes to carry on as manager. I do think even at 62, not that this is a great age these days for a coach, managing United could give his career a bit of an extension beyond perhaps planned retirement age.
I would absolute love if it, if we go back to playing football like that. Loved the flick from Sheringham to Scholes.
On another subject, if Van Gaal is appointed, I would happily go into next season with Van Persie, Welbeck and Hernandez as our striker. With Wilson, Keane or Henriquez making a possible breakthrough.
Any room for Mata?
More about Kluivert. He could teach Welbz and Wilson some lessons too in the striking department.
One more thing, does he not look like Evra in that video?
only 2 years?
I agree. Although the 2-year length look disappointing at first sight, I think it would be a safe option for both parties considering Van Gaal's age and how United don't want a repeat of the Moyes fiasco. Anyway, I think it's a normal approach for someone moving closer to the end of his career and then we can look for extra slices of 12 months if he wants to stay beyond the first 2 years.
So what players will we see exit then? It'll be interesting to see what he does in terms of formation and the Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj headache. Will he rotate or will he oust someone entirely?
The story in the Telegraph yesterday (I think?) was that the club had given van Gaal a list of their transfer targets and that he was happy with them. It potentially could be the case that we go through with some of the transfers we're after without van Gaal even being present since he'll be at the World Cup
Without any champions league and very likely no Europa league, there won't even be a reason to rotate unless a player goes off the boil. Play the best starting 11 each match, only play the others for FA cup and Capital one cup games.
So who's off then?
There will still be plenty of rotation. For one of many reasons the fact we want to keep the squad happy. We don't want is to offload more this season than we would have because of going without European football and find next summer we have to add large numbers to make up the shortfall.
If I was van Gaal I would play the following.
De Gea
Rafael Jones Smalling unknown
Carrick Fellaini
Mata
Januzaj (Rooney/RVP) Kagawa
Rafael Jones Smalling unknown
Carrick Fellaini
Mata
Januzaj (Rooney/RVP) Kagawa
No headache if you consider Rooney as a striker and only play 1 of him or RVP.
I think the only players running the risk of being sold are Young, Cleverley, Nani and Anderson. Valencia is still useful as Rafael's backup.
You can't rotate too much when you're playing once a week or else you will end up with a squad lacking match sharpness.
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I don't see why this would be so much better than letting Giggs run the U21s? Both systems have their pros and cons, but in terms of giving a role to somebody like Giggs, I think they are pretty comparable.
Thank goodness we are missing out on Europa League.
Not just to you but to everyone saying Giggs should just take the U21s are we forgetting Warren Joyce is already there? Do we just tell Joyce to feck off?
And to just answer your question a B team would be in League 2 or whatever so it would be real first team football in a proper competition. The u21/reserve league just isn't comparable imo. New players coming in and out every week and results really don't matter much.
Giggs' role, whatever it may be, shouldn't be that it's assumed there'll be an accession at its conclusion.
I didn't say he should get the U21 job, I said it would be little different to running a B team. Unless you're saying that B teams never have an incumbent manager?
I know what you're saying, mostly, but the U21s league is pretty competitive, and should give the chance to develop a style of play a little more desirable than dealing with League 1 cloggers, IMO.
Is there any reason an U21 team would have a particularly higher churn than a B team?
So we learnt from Sholl that LvG is "brilliant ... brilliant and brilliant! Scholl really repeats himself a lot.
It's going to be a fun 2 years that's all we know! Let's have some proper exciting stuff to watch rather than the consistent shit sandwiches served by Moyes. LvG will punch a player lights out within a month. Can't wait, let's have some proper drama.
I can see the media already warming up for any potential Rooney LVG fall out! Setting the foundations early...
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