Three quality English players who can't cost any money as they can't afford the transfer fees and are happy to receive far less than other players at the club as they can't afford the wages.
Manchester City facing Financial Fair Play sanctions
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Three quality English players who can't cost any money as they can't afford the transfer fees and are happy to receive far less than other players at the club as they can't afford the wages.
You are then aware that then puts them 50mil down for next years FFP meaning they could be in for bigger sanctions next year? It's a much bigger deal than people are assuming, they're literally starting on -50mil at the start of the season not accounting for the rest of their costs over the year, it's a HUGE blow.
So, on top of this fine, you now think they'll be ok to go spend 100mil+ on english players alone if they want to comply with FFP next season? This fine has serious knock on effects for each season, it might not be much to their owner but it could be crippling to the club that already makes a loss.
That reported rumour for Messi just took a huge hit, currently theres only one club in the world who can afford him and he would move to........US haha obviously never happening.
Split over 3 years.
no but they may stay for the insane wages that those clubs are paying that they ma not be able to get at a club staying within the fair play rules. not to mention a lot of players signed for city when they wenrt in the CL.
What a glorious end to the season this is turning out to be.
Liverpool collapse in hysterical fashion, we're about to appoint a world class coach and go on a spending spree and City have just been given a £50m fine and severely sanctioned in terms of their CL squad for the future. If it wasn't for 7th and City winning the league this week, it could almost have been the perfect ending.
Liverpool collapse in hysterical fashion, we're about to appoint a world class coach and go on a spending spree and City have just been given a £50m fine and severely sanctioned in terms of their CL squad for the future. If it wasn't for 7th and City winning the league this week, it could almost have been the perfect ending.
So they have to find that PLUS find the money for three 'quality' English players, ensure their wage bill doesn't rise and still be in a position where they have to spend far LESS than they have for this last period?
Yeah piece of piss
City will seek to sell off two or three players for as much as they can and promote from within. It could work out better for them in the long run (which I thinks part of the point) but I'd highly doubt they'll have a big net-spend this summer. Quite the opposite in fact.
This.
Yeah. I mentioned that? 20m a year on 100m revenue makes revenue 80m (all rough figures) good luck getting Mangala for 40m then a few brits to meet your sanction. This sanction is designed to make City suffer pretty hard in Europe and for it to be nigh on impossible to get around based on their current model.
It forces their hand to be self sustainable without the sugar daddy.
Tell ya what, well take Aguero for 20m
Never thought I'd see UEFA do anything significant but this is pretty hefty.
Hope they appeal and get hit even harder.
Hope they appeal and get hit even harder.
Let me just get something correct in my head.
Lets say City failed FPP by 50m (Don't know what they failed by, but for easy figures) , so they have now got a fin of 50m, that still leaves the 50m deficit + another 50m, equaling 100m? Am I correct
Lets say City failed FPP by 50m (Don't know what they failed by, but for easy figures) , so they have now got a fin of 50m, that still leaves the 50m deficit + another 50m, equaling 100m? Am I correct
Regardless of a split-cost fine.
1) we know an appeal will reduce the punishment
2) we know they'll be announcing another Arab-inspired sponsorship deal very soon
3) FFP sanctions leading to more financial outflows. Genius from UEFA. Absolutely genius.
1) we know an appeal will reduce the punishment
2) we know they'll be announcing another Arab-inspired sponsorship deal very soon
3) FFP sanctions leading to more financial outflows. Genius from UEFA. Absolutely genius.
More importantly for future revenue steams it effectively cuts off transferring funds from one business to the other and calling it a sponsorship deal. This seemed to be City's plan to circumnavigate FFP but it hasn't worked so all these hundreds of millions from bogus sponsorships they calculated they'd need to 'pass' the FFP test, will be revenue that will need to be raised elsewhere, this time legitimately.
16.5m they have to give Uefa.So they have to find that PLUS find the money for three 'quality' English players, ensure their wage bill doesn't rise and still be in a position where they have to spend far LESS than they have for this last period?
Yeah piece of piss
That is not a lot of money. They will sell 4 players which will be a lot of wages to be filled. They will buy english players maybe for the under-21 and for the first team. Feck it, they don't have to be quality.
They can get around this.
Chelsea should be getting a few fans back now.
Players that went to City before they were in the CL did so because they were part of a club that was obviously going places and wanted to be part of that journey. It'd be very different if there was no prospect of the CL at any point.
I also think its fair to say that players like Ibrahimovic are driven by being the best around, not by being the best paid. There are some players who would stick around, but they're not the ones you want to build your club on.
Besides, Sheikh Mansour and the QTA are in this for the profile a football club brings them & their countries. PSG in particular are only interesting for them as long as they are in Europe. Being the big fish in the French league is not what they paid all that money for. They need to be in the Champions League at least as much as UEFA needs them in it.
So they will sell 4 (presumably quality and those of the high-end price to make the sale worth it) and replace them with 4 "don't have to be quality" players, so effectively 20% of their 21-man CL squad has gone from top players to 'don't have to be' top players - and you don't see this as an issue for them?
You seem awfully lot intent on proving how this will not hurt City when it so obviously does. I wonder why
Who can they legitimately sell who would bring in decent money though? Obviously Kompany, Toure, Silva, Dzeko or Aguero but they won't want to sell them. So how will they raise money?
That's just silly and you know it. Juve are the mot popular Italian club around and have considerable following throughout Europe. City may be making strides now but there are no where near that kind of spectrum.
Identifying players to sell is just part of the issue. What kind of wages are these lads on? Who'd want to pay that and who could afford to pay that who aren't already looking to cut back due to FFP regulations themselves? Looking for some sugar daddy to pay inflated transfer fees and wages at a time when the sugar daddies have won eye on their own FFP obligations could be tricky.
This could get hysterical and fast.
Who are those quality players you are talking about that will be sold?!
They could add two quality english players. They will have Hart and Milner. The rest will be from under-21s.
16.5m is not a lot next season.
Can't they overspend next season but spend less than they wanted the season after to balance it out?
Indeed. Consider someone like Milner. I don't know his wages, but he was brought on board at a time when they were throwing money around so I bet he's somewhere in the middle of the pay scale. The teams he'd go to - at best Liverpool or Spurs - will not be able to pay a decent fee and meet his wages.
The fine is much much more stringent that I thought it would be. Kudos to UEFA if this holds.
And it will work. This will most likely stop City from strengthening their squad too much or too excessively which is the whole point of it.
And it will work. This will most likely stop City from strengthening their squad too much or too excessively which is the whole point of it.
If they appeal the sanctions and fail, could they then be hit with a bigger fine?
How do you sell nobody ADD two "quality English players" and spend far, far, far less than you do now?
They don't have to maintain their current levels of spending, they have to cut it dramatically.
Gareth Barry has City by the bollocks now
Look...you NEED me.
Look...you NEED me.
Might it put them in continued jeopardy of making annual losses & falling foul of further FFP sanctions?
Feck it. I honestly don't care anymore. Let them rott.
Gareth Barry has City by the bollocks now
Look...you NEED me.
and he is on 100k plus a week apparently.
Bader, how could you honestly think this is such a light punishment? Go on Bluemoon and see their reactions; maybe you could get a better understanding of how this actually affects them rather than work it out for yourself, because they have a much clearer view on it.
This could prompt the Arabs to sell.
They don't want PL dominance. Plus top players won't go there now in case they are not in the CL squad.
They don't want PL dominance. Plus top players won't go there now in case they are not in the CL squad.
Premier League has its own FFP as well, doesn't it? More loose, with 105m losses allowed in three year period. Have they failed that too?
Can you post a link. Google searching it would make me feel too dirty.
Was thinking about that myself. Did it ever get agreed though?
You guys sure that the owners can't just pay the fine? That's what I've seen suggested on twitter...
I see some city fans complaining that UEFA are corrupt too. I really hope this hits them hard in the same summer we throw around 150m...
I see some city fans complaining that UEFA are corrupt too. I really hope this hits them hard in the same summer we throw around 150m...
Did PSG get the same punishment as City or worse?