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Financial question to those that understand it, thanks in advance for answering!

From the BBC article regarding City's fine:

Liverpool, who have lost £90m over the last two years but have not played in Europe this season, will not have to pass the FFP rules until next autumn.
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What does this mean for next autumn then, what must Liverpool do and how will this impact their summer spending?
 
Empire said:
Financial question to those that understand it, thanks in advance for answering!

From the BBC article regarding City's fine:



What does this mean for next autumn then, what must Liverpool do and how will this impact their summer spending?
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It means they have to sell Suarez to get that shiny new defence. Maybe
 
eddiebigballs said:
This Phil Jones?

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*standing applause gif*
 
BarneyLFC said:
I believe a certain Phil Jones celebrated before you had it won.
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Yes because being happy on the pitch with the fans thinking you had won with City trailing with minutes to go is equatable to fan songs for months about how you're going to win the league, t shirts being printed, practically street parades, months and months of it, yes, I can see the resemblance already.

PS: He was just getting ready for next year ;)


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njred said:
So how will the mancs will celebrate CITY winning the title? Champagne? Fireworks. Please don't ever call CITY your rivals again after the way you lot seemed to kiss up to them in the last two weeks.
I would be devasted if EVERTON won the league. What has happened to united?
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Just think of it as not supporting City winning the title, but supporting Liverpool losing the title.

"ABU" remember? Liverpool would be no different if it was Everton/Utd going for the title rather than City/Liverpool.
 
Hearing off Palace fans that a young fan was given a good kicking after the game by Liverpool supporters.


Edit: 16 years old

Some arrests have been made.

They jumped out of a coach and battered him, throwing bottles as they got back in.
 
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BarneyLFC said:
People seem to think is welcoming the players is a celebration. Strange.
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It's debatable, but it does feel a bit like cup final day. But selling t-shirts outside the ground emblazoned with "2013-14 Premier League champions" might come across as somewhat celebratory...
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
Hearing off Palace fans that a young fan was given a good kicking after the game by Liverpool supporters.


Edit: 16 years old

Some arrests have been made.

They jumped out of a coach and battered him, throwing bottles as they got back in.
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Why am I not surprised. They fought with the Chelsea fans too.

They were so prideful and smug prior to all this. Now that it has come crashing down, they can only react to it violently.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Did anyone else think that Liverpool grabbing the ball out of the net and running back up the pitch at 2-0 / 3-0 did themselves no favours, in that it probably made the Palace players/fans think "Who do these twats think they are?" ... I wouldn't go as far as to say it was disrespectful (though it was possibly somewhere along the spectrum) but it was certainly ill advised.
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Yea felt the same way, they were showboating.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Did anyone else think that Liverpool grabbing the ball out of the net and running back up the pitch at 2-0 / 3-0 did themselves no favours, in that it probably made the Palace players/fans think "Who do these twats think they are?" ... I wouldn't go as far as to say it was disrespectful (though it was possibly somewhere along the spectrum) but it was certainly ill advised.
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No. They were going to chase City's GD, it was clear. Nothing disrespectful about it. It would certainly have played a part in motivating Palace though.
 
I think people are getting a bit carried away here, why not let City win the title and then gloat?
 
Varun said:
No. They were going to chase City's GD, it was clear. Nothing disrespectful about it. It would certainly have played a part in motivating Palace though.
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They could have done that without looking like wankers and grabbing the ball and charging back.

If they had done a quick celebration and jogged back, that would have been what? 10 seconds more? It's not like Palace wanted to waste time or anything.

All they probably did was motivate the Palace players... it really did nothing for themselves, in regards to saving time or as some form of weird motivational tool.
 
ghagua said:
Yea felt the same way, they were showboating.
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It was a bit Roy of the Rovers, like Gerrard shooting from everywhere in the second half against Chelsea. Ultimately they didn't have the mental discipline to close out the title race. It will be interesting to see how they "go again" next year. We were not very convincing after the 92 collapse until the game-changing signing of Cantona.

As for the comments about City, they won't blow this - they already went through the training programme in 2011-2012.
 
Don't be hypocritical lads.


We did something similar in our second last game against Swansea when we were chasing City on GD.

I remember Young scoring and our lads picking the ball and running back. But eventually after HT Saf calmed everyone down and settled for the 2-0 win.

Almost worked too.
 
Varun said:
No. They were going to chase City's GD, it was clear. Nothing disrespectful about it. It would certainly have played a part in motivating Palace though.
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Don't think you can dismiss it that easily. While Pool players didn't seem too disrespectful when they took it out of the net, the combo of "we're going to score as many goals as possible against you" and the Pool fans chanting "attack attack" did make it seem like they felt they were playing an easily run over pub team. I would imagine it played into the Palace comeback.

Anytime you try to run up a score it will seem disrespectful.
 
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gerrard let them down last night. they were needing city to slip up regardless, goal difference was a fantasy. he should have organised his side when it went 3-1. a top top captain would have seen that instead of joining in with ridiculous shapeless balls to the wall attack. really really poor.

other players also but the captain is where you find your leader.
 
SER19 said:
gerrard let them down last night. they were needing city to slip up regardless, goal difference was a fantasy. he should have organised his side when it went 3-1. a top top captain would have seen that instead of joining in with ridiculous shapeless balls to the wall attack. really really poor.

other players also but the captain is where you find your leader.
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Tbf to poor Steven, he hasn't been involved in too many title challenges in his career.

He is inexperienced.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Don't be hypocritical lads.


We did something similar in our second last game against Swansea when we were chasing City on GD.

I remember Young scoring and our lads picking the ball and running back. But eventually after HT Saf calmed everyone down and settled for the 2-0 win.

Almost worked too.
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There was the slight difference in that we were playing at home to a Swansea team that had only won one of their last 5, including 3-0 defeats to both QPR and Newcastle, whilst Liverpool were playing away against a Palace team that had won 4 of their last 5, including a win against Chelsea.
 
Alex99 said:
There was the slight difference in that we were playing at home to a Swansea team that had only won one of their last 5, including 3-0 defeats to both QPR and Newcastle, whilst Liverpool were playing away against a Palace team that had won 4 of their last 5, including a win against Chelsea.
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There is no difference. If you think that picking up the ball and running back after scoring 3 is disrespectful (Personally I actually don't think so) then United have done the same in the past.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
There is no difference. If you think that picking up the ball and running back after scoring 3 is disrespectful (Personally I actually don't think so) then United have done the same in the past.
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I disagree. We were in a similar situation to Liverpool, being 8 goals off City, but the games were being played under very different circumstances.

We were at Old Trafford, playing a team that had only won 1 of their last 5, as well as losing two of those games 3-0.

Liverpool were at Selhurst Park, playing a team that had won 4 of their last 5, including a win over title chasing Chelsea, and had actually tied Liverpool at the top of the form table over the 5 games they'd played prior to the match.

We were playing an out-of-form team at home, so it might not have been too unreasonable to suggest that we could have stuck a few past them. They were playing a very much in-form team away from home, and went into it thinking that 6-0 was a reasonable result. Hell, even at 1-0 at half time Barney was still on about battering them in the second half. Liverpool had absolutely no regard for Palace's recent form and thought they'd be able to steamroll them into oblivion, with absolutely no consideration given to the possibility that they might not win the game. As much was proven by Rodgers' comments in his pre-match press conference.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
They could have done that without looking like wankers and grabbing the ball and charging back.

If they had done a quick celebration and jogged back, that would have been what? 10 seconds more? It's not like Palace wanted to waste time or anything.

All they probably did was motivate the Palace players... it really did nothing for themselves, in regards to saving time or as some form of weird motivational tool.
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Why does it make them look like wankers? I really dont get it. They're chasing a title, they believe they can win it on GD and are thus trying to score as many as possible. It has nothing to do with disrespecting Palace. They'd have done the same had it been Stoke, Fulham, Cardiff or anyone else.

Also, I know its a different case but there are similarities with a side being 3 down scoring the 1st goal, not celebrating and charging back with the ball. They dont celebrate because there's nothing to celebrate, the task lies ahead and they dont want to waste time. It was similar then. You could see Rodgers and Co had taken a win for granted pre game (:lol:), their focus was on scoring as many as possible and thus they didnt see it worth celebrating when the 2nd or 3rd went it, for them, the job lay ahead, scoring as many as possible. Nothing to do with disrespect for Palace.

But yes, it could easily have motivated Palace, that I agreed with in my 1st post.

AlwaysRedwood said:
Don't think you can dismiss it that easily. While Pool players didn't seem too disrespectful when they took it out of the net, the combo of "we're going to score as many goals as possible against you" and the Pool fans chanting "attack attack" did make it seem like they felt they were playing an easily run over pub team. I would imagine it played into the Palace comeback.

Anytime you try to run up a score it will seem disrespectful.
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I already said it could have played a part in the comeback. My point is, there is nothing disrespectful about a side chasing a title over GD picking the ball up and rushing back to the goal line to start play. That's what they're supposed to do.

Alex99 said:
There was the slight difference in that we were playing at home to a Swansea team that had only won one of their last 5, including 3-0 defeats to both QPR and Newcastle, whilst Liverpool were playing away against a Palace team that had won 4 of their last 5, including a win against Chelsea.
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There's no difference. I dont think its disrespectful in any way but if it was, Swansea arent supposed to feel disrespected because they hadnt been winning much the past few games?
 
The season we lost on goal difference, think it was the game before the last where we were up 2-0 and all I could think about is why are we not going for more - it was like we just had no interest to even try make up the goal difference. No one would have thought it disrespectful - it's for the title, why wouldn't you try to do everything you can to win it.

Still now I suppose this could have happened to us and we may not have been in with a chance on the final day.
 
Shimo said:
The season we lost on goal difference, think it was the game before the last where we were up 2-0 and all I could think about is why are we not going for more - it was like we just had no interest to even try make up the goal difference. No one would have thought it disrespectful - it's for the title, why wouldn't you try to do everything you can to win it.

Still now I suppose this could have happened to us and we may not have been in with a chance on the final day.
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We still are in with a chance on the final day. Just an extremely slim one.
 
ghagua said:
Yea felt the same way, they were showboating.
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What were they supposed to do? If I thought United were holding back when they were 3-0 up and dominating, I'd go fecking mad. You go for the jugular and aim for 6/7 goals. 3-0 was worth dick to Liverpool last night.

The thing about Liverpool last night was that it seemed to be an afterthought. Sturridge scored, ran to the sideline and looked for his adulation....then realised someone was grabbing the ball and running back to the centre-spot and waved some other players on. It looked, like The Huddle, as made-up and poorly executed.
 
I think the point was that it isn't somehow objectively disrespectful but more that it could have been perceived that way by the Palace players, which could have contributed to their comeback.
 
BarneyLFC said:
We still are in with a chance on the final day. Just an extremely slim one.
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I gave us absolutely no chance whatsoever in 2012 and we were seconds away from pulling it off (and so was I, come to think of it...).

It's not over yet.
 
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