In my opinion i think Coutinho is more talented and is younger so he will probably go on to be better than Lallana but as it stands now Lallana is the better player as he is more consistent throughout a game if that makes any sense, he is also a very hard worker which i don't think Coutinho is.
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The added European games will prove tricky to Liverpool even if they do add some depth in Lallana and some defenders. Whole different ballgame in juggling competitions.
The pace and energy Liverpool played with this season would be very hard to maintain. Those all-out tactics tend not to work as well in the CL.
The pace and energy Liverpool played with this season would be very hard to maintain. Those all-out tactics tend not to work as well in the CL.
The way Liverpool have played this season will be impossible to repeat next season with added midweek games, even this season they where clearly tired in 2nd half of games because of the way they set out. I am on about style of play not result before yous kopites jump on me although they will probably be linked.
Never in the field of football conflict was so much attention owed by so many to the impact of European football...
The supposed narrative for Liverpool next season is absolutely frightening. The CL is pretty much going to cripple those poor buggers. It'd have been better all round had Liverpool wound their neck in and finished outside the top 4 coz THEY ARE SCREWED. SCRRREEEEWWWWWEEEEDDD!
The supposed narrative for Liverpool next season is absolutely frightening. The CL is pretty much going to cripple those poor buggers. It'd have been better all round had Liverpool wound their neck in and finished outside the top 4 coz THEY ARE SCREWED. SCRRREEEEWWWWWEEEEDDD!
Yeah I would agree with you that if they go at the pace in the first 45 they will tire in the second but with experience will come better game management. If they improve on the defensive front and play at a good pace for 20 minutes in each half and control a game then they will be more of a threat IMO. I'm really looking forward to midweek games because I don't have sky and I will get to watch them live!!
Yes, God help you playing against the champions of Georgia and Iceland, instead of you know, Real Madrid or Juventus or whoever finished runners up in the big leagues. When the Champions League rolls around I'm sure you'll be shitting yourself should the champions of Bulgaria end up in your group instead of say Barcelona, the runners up in Spain. I hear the Ludogorets Razgrad striker gives Messi a run for his money.
Just face it mate, the old European Cup was a piece of piss in comparison to the modern CL. Fergie would've cake-walked it multiple times with a dominant United team.
I'd compare the old European Cup to the modern day World Club Cup. Difficult to get into, but once there relatively straight-forward despite one or two potentially tricky ties.
Incidentally, Fergie has two of those, to Paisley's zero.
Never could call yourselves best in the world. We have, twice.
Ah, six games is nothing. And last two won't even matter.
Tues or Wednesdays 6 times before December....must be quite scary.
We are so fecked it's unbearable. Nasty, nasty European football.
Thursday nights January onwards though eh!!!
A lot of Utd fans would disagree with your assertion there. It's irrelevant to your initial point though that this Liverpool team are better than that Utd team. It isn't.
If you were to pick a team of this seasons Utd squad and the one of 92 then only the forwards would be in the team.
Even if Liverpool had no European football and would essentially have the same fixture list as this season, there's no way the stars would align for them in every other way it did this season. I couldn't see them doing another season so free from serious injury, rotation, with virtually all rivals struggling, and some charmed luck with referees.
This season was their big chance, the one they'd been waiting for, the odds-on favourites, served-on-a-platter opportunity. Get the bunting out, get down to Anfield and celebrate weeks in advance, it's in the bag lads! 25 years of misery is over! Gerrard eh? Of all the people.
This season was their big chance, the one they'd been waiting for, the odds-on favourites, served-on-a-platter opportunity. Get the bunting out, get down to Anfield and celebrate weeks in advance, it's in the bag lads! 25 years of misery is over! Gerrard eh? Of all the people.
It was actually harder to feck it up, credit to Stevie though, he managed it.
Imagine if they'd won it.....!
24 years just waiting for that chance
Stevie G slips after having a second glance
Now they gotta get used to just throwing it all away at Palace
Palace farked it up at palace
I'm still reveling in the fact that Gerrard completely fecked up their best chance of a league title in over two decades. Whenever I feel a bit fed up, I remember the look on creaseheads face and it never fails to make me smile.
Yep, it's become bit of a bore now hasn't it. This threads become laced with doom mongers all repeating the same picture from their crystal balls. Our new squad hasn't yet been assembled and the new season hasn't begun, but according to some already we're staring in the vast abysses of hell. Death is upon they say!
Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. Horrible
We are also laughing at the fact none of you Liverpool supporters can actually SEE the bad side to champions league football.
Er, he did play in most of the run in. In the Palace game it was due to a slight knock. He played less though because Allen and Sterling were both excellent.
Lallana is more consistent, aye. Coutinho is a very hard worker and is deceptively strong though. Coutinho should go on to being the better player though.
Good luck beating Grasshoppers.At least we'll be seeing SOME side of the champions league.
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TouchéAt least we'll be seeing SOME side of the champions league.
Real
Bayern
Sporting
Liverpool
Sounds fun.
Bayern
Sporting
Liverpool
Sounds fun.
Aaw you poor little scousers getting picked on for bottling your best chance in a quarter century and then expecting every man and his dog to be backing you next year under far more scrutiny and pressure than the last, seriously what do you expect, Liverpool were wobbling well before the slip and big investment is required in not only the squads depth but the back four needs a complete rebuild to cope with Europes elite. Your unseeded and even a money swamped City squad struggled in that situation, christ only knows what makes you think you will fair much better.
Said it in another thread, but I either want a group like:
Real Madrid
Dortmund
Liverpool
Roma
Or a group like:
Porto
Basel
Liverpool
Copenhagen
Real Madrid
Dortmund
Liverpool
Roma
Or a group like:
Porto
Basel
Liverpool
Copenhagen
That's a deathwish, not even City got past a group like that.
They would be better off with
Brugge
Liverpool
Monchengladbach
Zurich
Shame you won't get either!
Just like the league this year, there is always something to enjoy from the outside.
It's not a shame at all, we are getting exactly what we deserve, exactly like Liverpool have for the last half decade or so.
I've said along if we end up in a group of death, I'm all for it. I don't give a rats about our coeffient ranking or what pissing pot we end up in. We'll probably get a tough group and then everyone will say "haha, good luck liverpool, you're fecked!".. But 5 years without champions league I'd rather we host Real, Barca or Bayern and try and ruffle some of the big boys feathers along the way than smash Dinamo Zagreb 6-0 or something away from home.
I'm not expecting to us to win the thing but I hope we at least advance out of the group or just bomb out and finish rock bottom so we can get back to concentrate on the league. Finishing 3rd is not an option, need to avoid it.
Sorry Sly. Nothing against Sporting.
What an awful post.
In 76-77, Liverpool faced the champions of Northern Ireland, Turkey, France, Switzerland, and West Germany. Based on a simplified coefficient system, they played only 2 ties against teams from the top 8 European nations, one of which was the final against Borussia Monchengladbach, the other was the quarter final against Saint-Etienne who ended up finishing 5th in the French league. Liverpool played 9 games (5 ties) to win the competition.
In 77-78, Liverpool faced the champions of East Germany, Portugal, West Germany, and Belgium. Based on a simplified coefficient system, they played only 1 tie against a team from the top 8 European nations, the semi-final against Borussia Monchengladbach. Liverpool played 7 games (4 ties) to win the competition.
In 80-81, Liverpool faced the champions of Finland, Scotland, Bulgaria, West Germany, and Spain. Based on a simplified coefficient system, they played only 2 ties against teams from the top 8 European nations, the semi-final against Bayern Munich, and the final against Real Madrid. Liverpool played 9 games (5 ties) to win the competition.
In 83-84, Liverpool faced the champions of Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Romania, and Italy. Based on a simplified coefficient system, they played only 2 ties against teams from the top 8 European nations, the second round against Athletic Bilbao, and the final against Roma. Liverpool played 9 games (5 ties) to win the competition.
In 04-05, Liverpool faced the champions of Austria and Italy, the runners-up from England and Greece, as well as the third-placed teams from France, Spain, Germany and Italy. Based on a simplified coefficient system, they played 8 ties (4 group, 4 knockout) against teams from the top 8 European nations. Based on UEFA's coefficient system they played 10 ties (6 group, 4 knockout) against teams from the top 8 European nations. Liverpool played 15 games (11 ties) to win the competition.
In 04-05, Liverpool played more games against teams from the top 8 nations in one competition than they did in their previous 4 European Cup wins put together.
If the CL is so easy to win, why have Liverpool only ever won it once? Why have they only been in 2 finals? After all, they won the much harder version of the competition 4 times in 8 years, including winning it in consecutive seasons, something that's never been done in the CL. They also made it to a 5th final in 9 years, with another chance to win the competition in consecutive seasons.
Err...
CL Performances:
United Liverpool
2012/13 Last 16 N/A
2011/12 Group - 3rd N/A
2010/11 Final N/A
2009/10 Quarter Group - 3rd
2008/09 Final Quarter
2007/08 Winner Semi
2006/07 Semi Final
2005/06 Group - 4th Last 16
2004/05 Last 16 Winner
2003/04 Last 16 N/A
2002/03* Quarter First Group - 3rd
2001/02* Semi Quarter
2000/01* Quarter N/A
1999/00* Quarter N/A
1998/99** Winner N/A
1997/98** Quarter N/A
1996/97*** Semi N/A
1995/96*** N/A N/A
1994/95*** Group - 3rd N/A
1993/94**** Second Round N/A
1992/93***** N/A N/A
*Format - 3 rounds of leg qualifying knockout, 8 groups of 4, top 2 play in 4 groups of 4, top 2 play in quarter-finals
** Format - 2 rounds of 2 leg qualifying knockout, 6 groups of 4, winners and 2 best runners-up play in quarter-finals
*** Format - 2 leg qualifying knockout, 4 groups of 4, top 2 play in quarter-finals
**** Format - 2 leg preliminary knockout, 2 leg first round knockout, 2 leg second round knockout, 2 groups of 4, top 2 play in semi-finals
***** Format - 2 leg preliminary knockout, 2 leg first round knockout, 2 leg second round knockout, 2 groups of 4, winners play in final
United have won the competition 2 times, made a further 2 finals, as well as 6 semi-finals. In fact, upon qualifying for the knockout stages, United have only failed to proceed 3 times in the last 11 years, and only 7 in the history of the CL. Of Liverpool's 8 appearances, they have only made it further than the first knockout stage on 4 occasions.
Adding to your theory of United collapsing in knockout formats, they have the joint highest amount of F.A. Cup wins, as well as the joint highest amount of final appearances. They also have the 3rd highest amount of League Cups.
Aptly put, followed but a brilliant post. Thus ending his farcical argument.
Great post and very interesting stats. The one highlighted above in particular.
They're all out robbin just now, the reply will be riveting when the night shifts over.