That's a point, fair enough. That's down to the MP actually bringing the issue to parliament though.
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That's a point, fair enough. That's down to the MP actually bringing the issue to parliament though.
..these and other issues. think greater information...always will get through. People are not dumb. They want to be talked to not talked down to.
Haven't heard about the Irish results. Did they get destroyed?
The US voted for the New Deal in the 30s, and would still not give up social security to this day. But Obamacare, which is pretty right wing, was decried as communist and is unpopular among the majority. You can't compare things voted for generations ago to what would be voted for now. You can't even compare people voting for Blairite social spending 17 years ago, the situation is so different. You can believe Labour lurching left would win them a majority if you wish, I'm just not sure you could find a political scientist anywhere that agrees.
There's a thing called Duverger's psychological effect, essentially that voters in a FPTP system will avoid voting for minor parties in elections so as not to waste their vote. In PR, that effect is largely eradicated. A vote for a minor party would not only likely contribute to an MP's election, the party you vote for also always has a chance of a place in government. Parties would still aim for the centre, but it would be far less like the current situation of three parties looking to dance on a pinhead.
Doesn't answer the question about people whose livelihood is genuinely being threatened by the EU compared to urban masses who are merely irked by certain policies zeroed in on by the red tops.
Aye, down from nearly 20% in 2011 to a little over 7%.
Well don't compromise your principles for an illusory sense of power.
Some constituency elections are very much fought on local issues though. Would love to see any solid research about influence of local issues vs those who will only ever vote for one party.
Oh god, nine alerts, can barely keep up. Need to shower and have to take the cat to the vet at 10am!
What would people set the over/under on the number of UKIP seats in the next general election?
run off voting should also be considered. At least that way people give their second preference and forces a 50% requirement.
indeed mate.
Not sure what you are trying to say. I think people bought heavily into new labour and had genuine hope it would improve the country.
Voters did but there was always a disconnect between Blairite thinking and what Labour party activists wanted.
I take it that is aimed at me. What the hell am I compromising? Sounds like something I would read in a Chinese cracker.
Aye and back full circle with union-backed Ed. Much as I am not Labour, I have some admiration for Blair and the sense of hope he created.
Jippy...you better look after your cat mate 
Is Blair still not a dirty word in the UK?
Well, he's gone from new hope to war criminal in a lot of people's eyes...
Jippy...you better look after your cat mate
Aye, we will. We found what looks like a bite on him. Stray we took in five weeks ago, then disappeared and we found him again. He came back a bit knackered and he has already cost us a bomb but we love him. Poor thing hates being in the carry case though
How does this work, exactly? Sounds at face value like a good system.
It is to the left. Most of us would gladly see him in The Hague.
Disagree. Not really worth getting into here but I retain a fair degree of respect for the bloke.
I think it's an offence not to vote isn't it? Quite well known. Would be easy to enact. The workers lose tax relief on pension contributions if they don't vote, those in social welfare lose benefits. With postal votes etc...no-one has an excuse not to except apathy or disengagement.
They have a top three vote too from what I remember. Voter turnout is a disgrace in the UK.
Anyone?
Ah, I meant more the particulars of how they're "punished" for not voting. You're right that it's a disgrace in the UK, we do need to fix it, would probably be worth looking into something like this. I'm not sure I agree with their sanctions but we do certainly need to do something over here.
Yeh, DOTA meant he's craving a porno titled "Blair in the Hague".(EDIT: I crave this too)
Maybe one?
if democracy cant motivate, something is going wrong anyway.
First Clockwork Orange, now this. You're determined to creep me out, Jippy.
@Ryan's Beard Oh yeah. One night in the Hague
The stray we've taken in we've called Bubble. His nickname is Bad Boy Bubble in honour of your favourite Aussie film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106341/
Well, they are claiming now the turnout was 43% for the euros. I think general elections generally get more in the region of 55-65%. What can you do except legislate- loads of people don't care. My brother is a lab manager doing a Phd at UCL and he has never voted, nor does he have any political interest. He is not an idiot though (overall).
Well, he's gone from new hope to war criminal in a lot of people's eyes...
Aye, we will. We found what looks like a bite on him. Stray we took in five weeks ago, then disappeared and we found him again. He came back a bit knackered and he has already cost us a bomb but we love him. Poor thing hates being in the carry case though
know all about pets and what they cost mate.....
Hmm...
See this is why I ask, I saw Paddy Power had the over/under at 0.5 and I was really curious. I get that the UK system is ridiculously discriminatory to the lesser parties in terms of what they should get and I get that UKIP support collapsed between the last Europeans and general, but that was when they were seen as more of a one-issue party. The latest "if there were a general election tomorrow" poll had them at 23%. The Lib Dems got 22% in 2010 and got 57 seats. I know that in all likelihood they won't get 23% (or probably close) in 2015, but only 1 seat? Really? Could someone explain that to me?
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The Lib Dems have bases. It took the Green party absolutely ages just to get their first MP, by concentrating their efforts on Brighton pavillion. UKIP can finish third in a lot of places. Second in some. But there's hardly anywhere that they could win.
Bad Boy Bubble? ...that has to be re-release...cause I saw that film years ago. But it says 2005.
I cannot remember the original title tbh.
I cannot remember the original title tbh.
Relative party turnout. People who vote UKIP, realistically, are a hell of a lot more worried about the EU and European elections. They'll have a much higher relative turnout than the other parties (so, maybe >60-70% UKIP voters turned out to vote, vs ~40% overall). In a proper election the numbers of people voting Lab, Con and LD will be much higher. Couple that with people who'll vote UKIP as a protest vote in the EU then return to voting Con or whatever at a proper election.