Louis van Gaal | Manchester United manager

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http://talkingbaws.com/2014/05/30/p...inly-look-happy-about-van-gaals-appointment/?

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2...ouis-van-gaal-can-bring-trophies-to-man-utd/?

so where are all those Mata leaving stories coming from?

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United22 said:
I'm not arguing against any of this, I'm simply saying that I don't think we can't replicate the Barcelona 4-3-3 system with the players we have, especially by dropping two 'in the hole' players into central midfield. We are talking about Xavi and Iniesta here, players who in their prime were two of the best midfielders to ever grace a football pitch, not to mention a top CDM in Busquets behind them. We can't drop back Rooney/Mata/Kagawa into these CM slots and pretend it will be anywhere near as effective. In my opinion the only way to utilise both Mata and Kagawa with strikers would be the 4-2-2-2 box formation.
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Your portraying your argument as "We won't be as good as Barcelona so we better not do it". Which I get isn't your point at all as if it was we should just not play any midfielders because "They'd not be as effective as the best midfield trio in history".

The issue is more that Kagawa and Mata aren't proven in the CM role even in a high press, even if Kagawa is absolutely brilliant in the third CM in that system as is Mata of course even if he has more experience as an inside right/left in it.

We have no clue if they can handle the transition to the CM role in the high press from the AM role. But then again it is probably a smaller change than turning players who never played high press and were bought to play passively to suddenly play high press.

Even if they were CM's before and will be now it will be an absolute huge difference and we have no clues if Fellaini, Fletcher or Carrick can suddenly start pressing perfectly.
 
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
You mean the role he's been playing for the last 2-3 seasons, because he definitely hasn't been playing up top? :wenger:

Like I said to @Lane, if I was to put a 4-2-3-1 with Rooney as an attacking midfielder behind the striker - the position he's been playing for the last few season - no one would have said anything, yet because I put him in a 4-3-3, where he'll be playing as the most advanced midfielder (same position in a 4-2-3-1), it's not his best position. :smirk:
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He has been crap at it, his best years are at striker. But lets agree to disagree.
 
RedStarUnited said:
He has been crap at it, his best years are at striker. But lets agree to disagree.
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I personally wouldn't say he's been crap. Because Rooney doesn't want to play there, he doesn't always drop and play like an attacking midfielder, however, when he drops he and starts spraying the ball around, he can be very effective, in my opinion. But ye, lest agree to disagree.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Shock!
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Shock in what sense?

BTW, it's not clear who said the following. It looks like it is from Van Gaal reading the article but how come he was referring to himself in third person?? LOL

“We click and I think that’s very important. I believe that Van Persie and Van Gaal share the same philosophy.”
 
redevil2 said:
Shock in what sense?

BTW, it's not clear who said the following. It looks like it is from Van Gaal reading the article but how come he was referring to himself in third person?? LOL

“We click and I think that’s very important. I believe that Van Persie and Van Gaal share the same philosophy.”
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He was being sarcastic about the shocking part.

Van Gaal refers to himself in the third person quite a lot by the way. Obviously literally, by using his name Louis van Gaal instead of 'I'/first person. But he also refers to himself as 'De Coach' (the coach), 'Trainercoach' (combination of trainer and coach used in Holland to refer to first team manager) and 'De Bondscoach' (national team coach) a lot.

So that's why it looks like he is referring to himself in the third person in that article :)
 
Henrik Larsson said:
He was being sarcastic about the shocking part.

Van Gaal refers to himself in the third person quite a lot by the way. Obviously literally, by using his name Louis van Gaal instead of 'I'/first person. But he also refers to himself as 'De Coach' (the coach), 'Trainercoach' (combination of trainer and coach used in Holland to refer to first team manager) and 'De Bondscoach' (national team coach) a lot.

So that's why it looks like he is referring to himself in the third person in that article :)
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Ahh... thanks for the explanation. He's really a confident person and hope these confidence instil into our players and restore their belief in themselves. Under Fergie, they were always told to get out there and enjoy football, while making sure hair drying treatment was applied when they failed to deliver. I truly believe players while respecting Sir Alex, were also afraid of him and therefore would do anything not to let him down.

I hope Van Gaal can be a similar figure behind the scene. If so, we should be able to get back to the top in no time. Here's hoping...
 
Empire said:
Is Fabregas a van Gaal player?
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He definitely is. Just because he's being used as a false 9 since he moved to Spain doesn't mean he isn't an excellent central midfielder and one that can't suit van Gaal's system.

Of course, if he's given the freedom to play his game, he can score many goals and be an excellent attacking outlet. However, as a central midfielder, he can still be very good and has demonstrated discipline in central midfield during his younger years. His vision is out of this world, his passing is excellent and very efficient, and his positional discipline + movement is what made him so good at Arsenal.
 
It doesn't matter who we have as manager it's like the universe is not allowing us to have quality midfielders anymore :( gotta feeling we're stuck with our midfielders for another season.
 
The dailymail has an article believing that he'll play a 5-3-2 at united just because he's doing it with Holland.
 
I think he will play a 4231...May set it up like a 433, but rather play the DM as a more CAM.

The team we have suits that formation a lot more. Unless he really is willing to let Mata go, which I think is a massive mistake.

I still say 5 players are needed, unless he thinks he can transform Nani's career
 
If we offered £50m for Vidal, is there any chance?

£30m for Fabregas would have to be a yes, £40m would be about what I think he is worth but I'd rather put £50m in for Vidal than £40m for Fabregas.

We have plenty of number 10s but we do need a number 8 and number 6, Vidal would be lethal as the number 8 in LvG's system although he might not want to sign for us.

What about De Jong? Would LvG be happy with him as the number 6, is he good enough and how much would he be?
 
So apparently United aren't in for Kroos and Fabregas, because they aren't "Van Gaal players", but he's in for Strootman? :wenger: Hoping those are not true at least,or whatever plan he's got for United isn't looking very bright. At least Moyes has some good targets, even though they were players anyone would want really.
 
Seveneric said:
So apparently United aren't in for Kroos and Fabregas, because they aren't "Van Gaal players", but he's in for Strootman? :wenger: Hoping those are not true at least,or whatever plan he's got for United isn't looking very bright. At least Moyes has some good targets, even though they were players anyone would want really.
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If league position was just about having good players we wouldn't have finished our season 7th now would we?
 
Seveneric said:
So apparently United aren't in for Kroos and Fabregas, because they aren't "Van Gaal players", but he's in for Strootman? :wenger: Hoping those are not true at least,or whatever plan he's got for United isn't looking very bright. At least Moyes has some good targets, even though they were players anyone would want really.
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Implying Strootman isn't a good target.....OK.
 
You really need to read up van Gaal's philosophy, too. It's not about the best 11 individuals, it's about the best 11 that make a team that fit his specific system. Strootman is key to that, far more so than Fabregas or Kroos.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
The dailymail has an article believing that he'll play a 5-3-2 at united just because he's doing it with Holland.
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The thing is, we have four very good strikers, and very few wingers who are good enough, in my opinion, therefore, it would probably make sense for Van Gaal to go with two up top. Van Gaal has always said his system depends on the players he has at his disposal, although his philosophy would stay the same.

Van Gaal:

It's a footballing philosophy more than a system. A system depends on the players you have. I played 4-3-3 with Ajax, 2-3-2-3 with Barcelona and I can play 4-4-2 with AZ. I'm flexible. The philosophy stays the same though.
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Igor Drefljak said:
I think he will play a 4231...May set it up like a 433, but rather play the DM as a more CAM.

The team we have suits that formation a lot more. Unless he really is willing to let Mata go, which I think is a massive mistake.

I still say 5 players are needed, unless he thinks he can transform Nani's career
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It's like a 4213, where the wide players perform like wingers as opposed to attacking midfielders. He refers to them as '3 strikers', and who are your five?

Mine are first choice LB, CB and CAM, I have three, however I would like one of our youth right backs to be promoted. I felt Januzaj will play a more important role but also it's worth the gamble on Nani as he very well could perform as a proper winger. Furthermore, Kagawa I think would also perform well enough as a LW in his system, like he does for Japan.

The defensive midfield position is tricky, I think Carrick could still do a job, Phil Jones might also play a role here once more but also Fellaini can win the ball back and he can play a decent pass therefore LvG might be able to get him to perform to an acceptable level.

Say we have £100m to spend (including selling some players), and say we spend £30m on Luke Shaw then we could still sign, for example, a world class number 8 in Fabregas and have enough left over for a world class CB. Strootman is another option, a player LvG feels is very important to giving a team balance, who might be available for £23.5m especially if he hands in a transfer request.

It depends on the funds really, if it is £100m then across 5 players it's about £20m per player on average but across 3 it's £33m, that can be the difference between world class and not.

Do you know any world class centre backs that could be available for £30m? Vidic for another season would have been ideal.
 
I think LVG will play a 4-3-3 and I would like to see us line up something like this.

 
Kill 'em all said:
If league position was just about having good players we wouldn't have finished our season 7th now would we?
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No, but we could still have ended the season in 5th, which isn't that much better.

Hernandez - BFA said:
Implying Strootman isn't a good target.....OK.
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Implying going for Strootman over Kroos and Fabregas(whether United would get them of course is a different question), because they're "not his type of players",(who wouldn't want them?) is stupid. Of course this is all hinges on whether those reports are even true.
 
It's worrying that Strootman isn't going to be fit until October though. After a layoff like that, he's unlikely to be back at full pelt until around December, and then there'd be the issue of him not having had a pre season at his new club. It'd be a bit of a write off of a season, in my opinion.

Unless his recovery is going better than planned...?
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Van Gaal made a big bid for Vidal so soon after taking over, because he's worth it.
 
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Empire said:
Do you know any world class centre backs that could be available for £30m? Vidic for another season would have been ideal.
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For me, we need a LB, CM and a CB.
After that, another CM and a winger

As for a cheap decent defender. Doesn't Garay have a 20m buyout clause, and also in the last year of his contract?
 
If Van Gaal's going to go play a 4-3-3, I think we could get two potentially very good wingers to replace Young and Nani, in Konoplyanka and Griezmann to replace, who would be relatively quite cheap.
 
redevil2 said:
Shock in what sense?

BTW, it's not clear who said the following. It looks like it is from Van Gaal reading the article but how come he was referring to himself in third person?? LOL

“We click and I think that’s very important. I believe that Van Persie and Van Gaal share the same philosophy.”
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Whoosh!
 
Feed Me said:
It's worrying that Strootman isn't going to be fit until October though. After a layoff like that, he's unlikely to be back at full pelt until around December, and then there'd be the issue of him not having had a pre season at his new club. It'd be a bit of a write off of a season, in my opinion.

Unless his recovery is going better than planned...?
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Yeah, his injury is worrying. But if we get him, here's hoping he does a Nistelrooy, who got back from cruciate injuries and reached his potential.
 
yesterday i watched a part of Holland vs Ghana. i don't know who was Holland s left back but i wasn't impressed at all. In the last 10 min of the first half, the left side of Holland s defence was wide open
 
dev1l said:
yesterday i watched a part of Holland vs Ghana. i don't know who was Holland s left back but i wasn't impressed at all. In the last 10 min of the first half, the left side of Holland s defence was wide open
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Daley Blind was the left wing back. He was pushing up quite a bit to press the winger with their forward player drifting out to the left. However, Indi did a very good job of covering for Blind (as expected from a 3-man-defensive setup). Janmaat was excellent at covering the far post and preventing anyone from getting headers above him (again, as expected from such a setup).

There's nothing to worry about when wing backs push up. Either one of the central defenders or the defensive midfielders go and cover for the wing back. That's what happened in the past few matches with Indi and Veltman covering for the wing backs.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-targets-Luke-Shaw-Cesc-Fabregas-fit-in.html

Has anyone posted this? Its very exciting as a United fan.

My favorite part is he mentions devising a new system to beat Spain at their own game, fighting fire with fire. He then goes on to say he could adopt a same system with us "After the world cup final" I love this guy already, his fighting talk is brilliant.

Is anyone else also excited over the prospect of a manager that creates his own systems, doesnt simply play what hes expected to, every day I am more and more convinced he will revolutionize us.

I watched the Holland game they mention and Ghana are a brilliant African side, Holland made them look very normal, restricting them to playing air balls and dismantling their extremely energetic defense. The game itself was pretty boring and Holland should have scored at least 3/4 but with the players he has I was silently impressed with how he adapted the system to the players and got brilliant performances from pretty average players.

Id also like to add that Wesley Snieder looked absolutely class as well, his first touch and turning was Xavi/Iniesta esque.
 
SolidState said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-targets-Luke-Shaw-Cesc-Fabregas-fit-in.html

Has anyone posted this? Its very exciting as a United fan.

My favorite part is he mentions devising a new system to beat Spain at their own game, fighting fire with fire. He then goes on to say he could adopt a same system with us "After the world cup final" I love this guy already, his fighting talk is brilliant.

Is anyone else also excited over the prospect of a manager that creates his own systems, doesnt simply play what hes expected to, every day I am more and more convinced he will revolutionize us.

I watched the Holland game they mention and Ghana are a brilliant African side, Holland made them look very normal, restricting them to playing air balls and dismantling their extremely energetic defense. The game itself was pretty boring and Holland should have scored at least 3/4 but with the players he has I was silently impressed with how he adapted the system to the players and got brilliant performances from pretty average players.

Id also like to add that Wesley Snieder looked absolutely class as well, his first touch and turning was Xavi/Iniesta esque.
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One Gary Neville won't like this. No out and out wingers and not a system conducive to 1,0000 crosses.
 
If LVG does use that system here it'll put a lot of emphasis on the full backs. Would make sense why he'd want to keep Evra on as well as Shaw, as that looks like they'll be covering some miles!

Rafael's injury problems could be a concern though. If he misses as much of next season as last, LVG will really need to use Valencia in that system. Smalling or Jones surely wouldn't be able to offer enough going forward. At least Valencia's defensive lapses in concentration could be less costly if there were 5 at the back.
 
Sied said:
If LVG does use that system here it'll put a lot of emphasis on the full backs. Would make sense why he'd want to keep Evra on as well as Shaw, as that looks like they'll be covering some miles!

Rafael's injury problems could be a concern though. If he misses as much of next season as last, LVG will really need to use Valencia in that system. Smalling or Jones surely wouldn't be able to offer enough going forward. At least Valencia's defensive lapses in concentration could be less costly if there were 5 at the back.
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Agreed, it seems like LVG style for us becoming more apparent, we obviously wont know the full extent until the pre-season games but considering his signings hes after and what hes playing with Holland were beginning to understand what hes trying to do. Which is very exciting.
 
Sied said:
If LVG does use that system here it'll put a lot of emphasis on the full backs. Would make sense why he'd want to keep Evra on as well as Shaw, as that looks like they'll be covering some miles!

Rafael's injury problems could be a concern though. If he misses as much of next season as last, LVG will really need to use Valencia in that system. Smalling or Jones surely wouldn't be able to offer enough going forward. At least Valencia's defensive lapses in concentration could be less costly if there were 5 at the back.
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Rafael is probably my favourite player at the club, but Valencia would make for a better right wing back. He's quicker, stronger and performs well when he isn't the sole source of creativity out on the right flank. He seems to find attacking a lot easier when at right back as he isn't faced with the defender 1 vs 1, therefore he can overlap.

I wouldn't really want to see a 532, but if that were to happen, Valencia's future at the club looks a lot more rosy.
 
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