Louis van Gaal | Manchester United manager

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Yes yes I get it, everyone disagrees with me. It's fine, I'm off to cry in a corner.
You simply have strange definition of 'ambition', no need for crying :)

For you, ambition seems to be about being opportunist and taking over teams with best squads at moment. For most of us it's having self-confidence to make good sides great ones, or elevating so-so teams to at least a 'good' bracket. It's not like he received offers from Madrid, us, Barcelona and Bayern and still chose Spurs. Only then would you have any point of lacking ambition. He received one offer, from Spurs or earlier from AZ, and was dead sure he would improve them. That is ambition in my book.
 
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Strange that people are jumping on his back for almost joining Spurs.

Apart from the fact that he liked the white shirt a boy, which other PL club would've been a better choice?

Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers and Pellegrini were all secure. Moyes seemingly unsackable when the Tottenham rumours started, so what other option did he have?

He rightly chose us when the job became available, what more could we ask for?

Spot on.
 
Spurs have a solid base. It`s a tough job because if you don`t crack the top 4 you get fired, and the top 4 all have better teams, but a team with Soldado, Eriksen, Paulinho, Sandro, Vertonghen, Lloris should appeal to any manager. If they had good fullbacks instead of random English dross (fast dross, but dross) they might have made top 4 this past year.
 
"I decide for myself what formation my team plays. No director does that for me. Yeah, Hoeness did, that’s why I left"

I like this guy!
 
VG is using 5-3-2 because he has no choice. Strootman is injured. He will have more choices at club level since he can actually buy players
 
Valencia is also a liability at right back and has a worse disciple record than Judas when playing on the wing, I dread to think what it would be after a season as wing back.

Fixed.
 
Do you all think LVG will actually get 2/3 or maybe 4 big signings in after the World Cup ??

The guys got quite an ego and it wouldn't surprise me if he went with what hes got , plus shaw , and strootman in January and prove that he doesn't need the squad over haul that everybody thinks is needed .
 
Do you all think LVG will actually get 2/3 or maybe 4 big signings in after the World Cup ??

The guys got quite an ego and it wouldn't surprise me if he went with what hes got , plus shaw , and strootman in January and prove that he doesn't need the squad over haul that everybody thinks is needed .
We lack quality at the moment, especially in midfield it was evident under Ferguson, it will be evident under Van Gaal. Rio and Vidic leaving, Evra and Carrick a year older, it is crystal clear we need major reinforcements. When the likes of Rio and Vidic leave you have to replace them with quality, simple as. They were world class players for us for many years and they have to be replaced with equally world-class players. Moyes was clueless and inept but we do have to strengthen, there is no doubts about that.
 
Even if we make zero signings I'm dying to see how LVG does at Utd, what system he employs, who he favours and how much disdain he treats the press with.
 
We lack quality at the moment, especially in midfield it was evident under Ferguson, it will be evident under Van Gaal. Rio and Vidic leaving, Evra and Carrick a year older, it is crystal clear we need major reinforcements. When the likes of Rio and Vidic leave you have to replace them with quality, simple as. They were world class players for us for many years and they have to be replaced with equally world-class players. Moyes was clueless and inept but we do have to strengthen, there is no doubts about that.
I completely agree but do you think van gaal will off load the likes of nani , young , cleverley , fletcher and fellaini without having a look at them first in training . Thats why I cant see much activity in the market until then . Unless the targets hes identified are being chased by other clubs and we have to act quick ! Somehow , Woodward and quick dont seem to go together !!:nono:
 
Even if we make zero signings I'm dying to see how LVG does at Utd, what system he employs, who he favours and how much disdain he treats the press with.
Yeh me too ! I think were all looking forward to watching a game were we have a manager with some sort of tactics . Instead of a manager whos frightened to take a player off incase the "crowd go mad at him! "
 
The 62-year-old tactician also confirmed the target has had been set by the Dutch Federation - to reach the last four at the World Cup.

He said: “The purpose of the board is the semi-finals. I think it’s a big purpose. The purpose is maybe too big an expectation.

“I think this team can beat all. But we can also lose. That’s sport and we accept that but it’s difficult for the Dutch people to accept.”

Asked if the expectation had put him under increased pressure given the size of the job waiting for him in England, the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach added: “No.

“You do not know Louis Van Gaal. I give myself more pressure than anyone else. I will always win.”


While Van Gaal maintained he has given his word to United not to speak about them until after the World Cup, he insisted he did not have a problem with his players sorting out their futures during the tournament.

England boss Roy Hodgson has banned agents from the Three Lions' base in Brazil. But Van Gaal, himself having instructed United to sign players during the tournament, is more relaxed about his players sorting their club-level futures.

Liverpool are keen on Swansea keeper Michel Vorm, Spurs are interested in Feyenoord right-back Daryl Janmaat and United themselves have been linked with Ajax defenders Joel Veltman and Daley Blind.

“It is the world of football.” said Van Gaal, “It is always in the process. Also with Michel Vorm we have another five players who are negotiating with other clubs.

"That is football. You cannot delete it, you have to manage it.”


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This last interview highlights one of LVG's biggest traits: adaptability. Similar to SAF, despite his age, he's been able to move with the times and I think this is why he will succeed here.
 
Here is a nice article I found, makes me hopeful we will get pointed back in the right direction even if Van Gaal does not last real long here...

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/manche...efined?&_suid=1401865989606048594123684212337

United tradition alive in Van Gaal's Netherlands
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For Netherlands coach Louis van Gaal, it's all about improving day by day until June 13 in Salvador.
Most coaches' final World Cup squads contained a shock or two when trimmed down to the requisite 23. Alvaro Negredo losing out on a place for Spain to Fernando Torres, even given his scratchy form of recent months, could be considered as one. Marcel Schmelzer missing out on a place in Germany's group was another, especially given his spot was taken by his junior Dortmund teammate Erik Durm.
Louis van Gaal's eyebrow-raiser was a little less high profile -- at left-back, where young Terence Kongolo of Feyenoord was surprisingly retained, notably at the expense of one of Vitesse's plethora of on-loan Chelsea players, Patrick van Aanholt.
That said, it was tame as surprises go, being very much in character for Van Gaal. His remit was always likely to be one of renewal after a disappointing Euro 2012. It had been quite a comedown. After reaching the 2010 World Cup final, the Netherlands were the biggest flop of their last major tournament, as they slipped out at the group stage with three straight defeats. The feeling was of a team gripped by acute inertia, having failed to build on its determined (if sometimes unrefined) play in South Africa under Bert van Marwijk.
One of the few bright spots of the wretched campaign in Poland and Ukraine was a youngster, and also a left-back -- the untried 18-year-old Jetro Willems, who acquitted himself well in difficult circumstances. Willems was the exception, however, rather than the rule. (Now at PSV Eindhoven, he is absent from Van Gaal's 23, incidentally.) Things have changed dramatically since, as many are about to discover. Those who haven't watched much of the Oranje since the last major tournament are in for something of a surprise.
- Van Gaal was close to taking Spurs job
- Zouma: I turned down United

Van Marwijk's cautious and (in the Netherlands, at least) controversial 4-2-3-1 is out, with Van Gaal respecting Dutch tradition with his favourite 4-3-3. Even when experimenting with a 3-5-2 in the recent friendly with Ecuador, the principle of width and specifically stretching the play was respected.
Yet the main tenet of the Van Gaal recipe is youth. Since he took over the Dutch national team for the second time in July 2012, an astonishing 31 players have made senior debuts. Many of those, such as goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen and defender Bruno Martins Indi, will play key roles this summer. Fourteen of the World Cup squad were given debuts by Van Gaal. If it is unrealistic to expect them to match or better 2010 in results -- even with the experience and quality of Robin van Persie and Arjen Robben -- it should be exciting.
It is this aspect of the Dutch challenge this summer, as much as Van Gaal's fervent commitment to attacking football, that should pique the interest of Manchester United fans eagerly awaiting the dawn of his tenure at Old Trafford. Anyone asking why will need to cast a glance a little further along the new manager's bench when the Premier League season starts. Ryan Giggs, along with the golden generation of Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, David Beckham and the rest, is an embodiment of exactly how important a young, homegrown core is to United.
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Louis van Gaal's direction will be instrumental in blooding youngsters at Manchester United.
Giggs himself knows it, having brought in James Wilson to make a goal-scoring debut toward the end of the last campaign against Hull City. Young players go hand-in-hand with the tempo at which one feels United should play, as well as retaining the club's sense of self -- or in this case, rediscovering it after a difficult campaign. Van Gaal believes in the collective ahead of everything and that if a player is good enough, he's old enough. Xavi and Carles Puyol both made their Barcelona first-team debuts under Van Gaal in his first spell at Camp Nou.
There is one recurrent and widely shared theory of why Van Gaal favours youth. In the narration of Dennis Bergkamp's excellent autobiography, "Stillness and Speed," the former Arsenal forward's co-author David Winner writes, "As Van Gaal showed in the mid-nineties at Ajax and a decade later at AZ Alkmaar, his forte is working with young players who still have everything to prove and teams who still have everything to win."
This is also a clue to why the Van Gaal method tends to work for a while and only for a while. Winner records how much of Van Gaal's failure in his first spell as national team coach can be put down to the growth of many of the 1995 Champions League winners that he had nurtured, with "the same players no longer willing to follow his orders blindly." This desire for total control is, in fact, startlingly similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson, with the decision to sell Beckham taken when the manager felt he had lost full influence over the player.
It's all reliant on the quality being there to promote, but Van Gaal certainly has the nerve to do so. In fact, over and above that, he understands that even the strongest names in the game, be it the Netherlands or United, have a need to do so. In a tough group in Brazil, Van Gaal will show just how committed to youth he is.
 
Not sure if he will bring back the good times or not but one thing I'm hoping for is that he will help make us look forward to watching United games again.
 
Only tuned in at the 60 minute mark but it looked very much like he had the Dutch playing with a midfield diamond tonight. I'm still convinced this is the best system to get our best players on the pitch in their best positions.
 
Only tuned in at the 60 minute mark but it looked very much like he had the Dutch playing with a midfield diamond tonight. I'm still convinced this is the best system to get our best players on the pitch in their best positions.
Yeah it was a midfield diamond but at times became a 4-1-2-3 with Sneijder, Robben and van Persie as the attackers, de Jong as the holding mid and Blind and Fer following in behind the attacking trio.

The performance from Holland was nothing special and Wales isn't a formidable opponent either. However, what struck me was the ease in which Holland dealt with Wales parking the bus. Last season, we really struggled when teams set their stall out and hit us on the break. Can't remember if wales got any quality chances either. They're not blowing the opposition away but so far, have maintained control in the matches I've seen them play.

We may not always like it but seems whatever the challenge, LVG has a plan to address it. The target for the Dutch FA is the WC semis so we'll see if the Dutch are good enough to get that far. It's clear they are well-drilled and a solid unit. Big question is can they take it up a notch when they need to
 
Yeah it was a midfield diamond but at times became a 4-1-2-3 with Sneijder, Robben and van Persie as the attackers, de Jong as the holding mid and Blind and Fer following in behind the attacking trio
Substitute Mata and Rooney for Sneijder and Robben and I think that could work for us. Its not like we'd lose out on much by benching our current crop of wingers.
 
@Juan't Mata Definitely. Central midfield remains an issue but with the players they had today, I was impressed they were still able to use the wide areas despite not really playing any wingers other than say Robben.

I edited my initial reply to you by the way
 
Nah I don't think LVG will play the 4-4-2 (diamond) at United a lot. He wasn't too pleased with the way it worked out tonight, we tried it because 5-3-2 is useless against a team like Wales (or Australia at the WC) who play with only one striker versus 3 centre backs.

So against Chili and Spain, teams that want to attack, Holland will be playing 5-3-2 most likely. And against Australia it will be the good old 4-3-3, and if he gets the time at United, van Gaal will work towards a 4-3-3ish best 11 for sure.

@Gladiator Van Gaal talked about his favoured 'provocative pressing' again in the post match conference :p
 
Nah I don't think LVG will play the 4-4-2 (diamond) at United a lot. He wasn't too pleased with the way it worked out tonight, we tried it because 5-3-2 is useless against a team like Wales (or Australia at the WC) who play with only one striker versus 3 centre backs.

So against Chili and Spain, teams that want to attack, Holland will be playing 5-3-2 most likely. And against Australia it will be the good old 4-3-3, and if he gets the time at United, van Gaal will work towards a 4-3-3ish best 11 for sure.

@Gladiator Van Gaal talked about his favoured 'provocative pressing' again in the post match conference :p
oh? what did he say?
By when can we expect the next review of "LvG's tactical system"?

After the spain match hopefully and then after group stage. Plan not set in stone yet. But my upcoming "reviews" will be talking more about specific tactical observations rather than general principles unless I or someone else notices something striking that hasnt been discussed yet
 
I was reading an interview with Johnny Rep last night, one chapter in the book Brilliant Orange (which is a great book by the way, if anyone is fascinated by the Dutch).

He was not very flattering about Van Gaal. Mainly saying his football is boring because he wont let his players take risks, he hates players who dribble because they risk losing the ball, his teams have no soul.

Just one man's opinion, and hardly the most important or credible person either. But someone who knows a lot about Dutch football and the context of Van Gaal's philosophy.

I dont take it too seriously. I cant say much about his Barca or Munich teams but I remember the Ajax team of the mid 90s, I fell in love with that team and have had a soft spot for Ajax and Holland ever since (hence why I read and reread Brilliant Orange.)
 
hmm that's weird. when was this book made? LVG certainly lets Robben dribble at opponents but maybe robben has special permission
 
All Robben does is dribble and take on opponents haha
 
Its quite an old book, admittedly. Published in 2000.
ah..all I was going to say maybe some things have changed since then. They say LVG despite his age stays up to date with what's going on in the football world especially from a strategic/tactical view as well as psychology
 
ah..all I was going to say maybe some things have changed since then. They say LVG despite his age stays up to date with what's going on in the football world especially from a strategic/tactical view as well as psychology
Maybe. Also, maybe Rep just doesnt like Van Gaal and/or was talking nonsense. Perfectly possible. We'll see.
 
I was reading an interview with Johnny Rep last night, one chapter in the book Brilliant Orange (which is a great book by the way, if anyone is fascinated by the Dutch).

He was not very flattering about Van Gaal. Mainly saying his football is boring because he wont let his players take risks, he hates players who dribble because they risk losing the ball, his teams have no soul.

Just one man's opinion, and hardly the most important or credible person either. But someone who knows a lot about Dutch football and the context of Van Gaal's philosophy.

I dont take it too seriously. I cant say much about his Barca or Munich teams but I remember the Ajax team of the mid 90s, I fell in love with that team and have had a soft spot for Ajax and Holland ever since (hence why I read and reread Brilliant Orange.)
Johnny Rep might be close with Cruyff and may dislike Van Gaal.
 
Not really, if we'd hired any manager that was able and willing to continue to build on our traditions, I'd be all for it. Even if it was Giggs or Martinez I'd have given them a fair crack at the whip.

What are these traditions? Do elaborate.
 
What are these traditions? Do elaborate.

Winning?

I do think it's odd that you only have to look at the Ferguson era and see such dramatic difference to the attacking ideology of the 90s vs the subsequent tactical pragmatism of the later years and find a tradition or definition to the term 'United way', let alone the insinuation that there has been a United tradition over the years.

What people do is they pick out the successful years, identify vague similarities and coin it a tradition. Or they pick out details that suit.

Busby Babes - Fergie's fledgeling. The fact they happened 40 years apart doesn't seem to phase anyone, it's the 'tradition' to bring through young players, despite the fact our record the last 20 years has been poor compared with many, if not most, of our rivals.
 
You're a United fan, shouldn't you be aware of them already...?

EDIT: Wait, he was talking about Moyes? Ignore me.

He wasnt talking about Moyes but yeah, I'l ignore you.

Winning?

I do think it's odd that you only have to look at the Ferguson era and see such dramatic difference to the attacking ideology of the 90s vs the subsequent tactical pragmatism of the later years and find a tradition or definition to the term 'United way', let alone the insinuation that there has been a United tradition over the years.

What people do is they pick out the successful years, identify vague similarities and coin it a tradition. Or they pick out details that suit.

Busby Babes - Fergie's fledgeling. The fact they happened 40 years apart doesn't seem to phase anyone, it's the 'tradition' to bring through young players, despite the fact our record the last 20 years has been poor compared with many, if not most, of our rivals.

I reckoned he's about to talk about bringing youth in which would be a weird criticism to have about Van Gaal so its better to ask what he means.
 
Interesting tweet on LVG:


As in, he is willing to listen to reason? Although it could be Louis who suggested 5-3-2 or Robben, either way they both probably agreed on it.

I think he is like any top manager and at that, any top leader. He is incredibly stubborn for this is an admirable quality especially when he knows something to be true that everybody else is telling him to be false however once faced with a compelling case he will yield to truth. Above all else he wants victory therefore without a doubt if somebody provides a compelling case his mind will be changed, it's not about him being right but about making the right decision.

I've not got too many concerns at this moment regarding him moving United forward.
 
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