How long can the same debate, with the same points, with the same arguments go on for?
Paul Pogba
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I remember fergie thought putting rafeal in CM against Blackburn was a better idea, than giving pogba a chance. When the club is not really spending big bucks on major players, you use the academy has much as possible, especially when talent like that is coming through
We are on the same page mate except that as you said, your a fan,and if Pogba understood the setup,heritage,the managers ethos and track record and flawless ability to reinvent our teams,he could have been a great,sure he could.
He clearly missed something in our DNa or he would have shown the mentality that makes a great United player.
When he knocked on the managers door and demanded to play,huffed then fecked off,me as fan,,,,i wish him all the best and all,,,,,but the whinging has to stop.Not referring to you personally mate,just the spilt milk Brigade that defend him even when he cheats,bangs one in in etc.
Ceiling wise yeah hes got it on Strootman,but id rather a player van Gaal trusts than little johnny all the baggage and "hype".
Also i think when fit Gundogan is exactly the type of 8 we need,and with kroos going nowhere,Id fire 35 million at Dortmund no sweat.
Why is my criticism unfair mate?
Pogba isnt the first to slip through the net,young or established and every situation,rather than focusing on the differences look at the main reason they got the boot.
Robson,sparky,Cantona,Keane,Scholes<all of 92 really>,Ronaldo,Worked their absolute arses of to not only be the best but give us the supporters we desperately craved,club success.
Sir Alex Ferguson harnessed the best out of the squad he had,echoes of the incoming managers statements.
I reckon van gaal wouldnt go anywhere near Pogba after a natter with Alex.
Pretty much that - it's just a case of being a fan or not, or whether a player is romanticized with the club or simply sees football as job. For me, as romantic as I like it to be, I do understand footballers who treat it like what it is - a career. If I were not at my dream club (Manchester United in my case, but not Pogba's), i'd simply go to whoever promises the most pay & play, as long as they were in a respectable/prestigious league (which Serie A is, even if it isn't what it once was). I don't begrudge Pogba for his move, even if I am not happy about it. These guys have short careers, might as well make the most money they can. He may have benefited had he stuck around, but it is all hypothetical.
Agreed on that point, I don't see why people are so desperate to defend him, going to any length to bad-mouth Ferguson (who I think messed up, by the way, but people act like he had committed a crime or something) because we lost a big player - it happens & it happens to everyone, we'll get over it. Although I understand Pogba here and agree with his decision, he does not come out of this blemish-free either (if reports are true, as I don't know enough of him personally to make a full judgement).
True, at this minute i'd rather have Strootman, but in a year or two, Pogba should be ahead. He is head & shoulders above most other midfielders right now in terms of pure talent, he really has it all. It is just a case of whether he is willing to work to fulfill his potential - I think he will do, he seems a sensible (if a little strange) guy.
Gundogan is fantastic & as you say, fits us to a tee. It's a real shame the prospect of him fulfilling his massive potential is on the line - he has so much ability. I would be wary of spending over 30 for him, but I place my trust in Van Gaal & his team - if they think it's worth a shot, I won't argue. Even if we never bid for him, I hope he recovers fully for his sake.
Same page brother bar his attitude in leaving,i just wanted him to knuckle down and be our boy.
We need to be looking at obtainable targets and quit with the ballonhead opinions regarding players, who sorry to say dont want to miss a seasons champions league, recycled through twatter sources that our jst infuriating.
And your dead if theres a manager whos lifted my hopes its Louis. Fecking amazing appointment,only took upstairs seven months to work it out Davey may have been a mistake.
Same page brother bar his attitude in leaving,i just wanted him to knuckle down and be our boy.
We need to be looking at obtainable targets and quit with the ballonhead opinions regarding players, who sorry to say dont want to miss a seasons champions league, recycled through twatter sources that our jst infuriating.
And your dead if theres a manager whos lifted my hopes its Louis. Fecking amazing appointment,only took upstairs seven months to work it out Davey may have been a mistake.
I think we're all with you as far as that goes - no one wanted him gone, until they found out he wanted to leave himself, where people were then divided. He would have been a star here, I feel.
Aye, I am not holding my breath after the events of last season, but I do feel Van Gaal will do very well here. He has the nous, experience & the balls - Moyes had none, although it isn't his fault. Madness to think it took so long.
So what do you reckon lads, was it a mistake to let him go? 
You keep competitive with your rivals by having a squad to compete. Part of that is recognising what is staring you in the face - ie a talented player who could have a massive future at the club.
As it was we had highly limited midfield options at that time and he could, and should have been given a chance.
If we had a star studded midfield performing ever week then perhaps he would have been justified in not giving him time of the bench - but we didn't.
Indeed.
The lad clearly felt he deserved a go in the first team, but Fergie picks a full back over him?
He obviously felt it was the right decision but you can see why Pogba would be unhappy and perhaps take the decision to move on.
You think Van Gaal wouldn't want one of the best young players in Europe in his side?
A player who, incidentally decided to move to another country, to a top side where he wasn't guaranteed a place and at a young age managed to make himself a regular and an international in a couple of years? Strikes me as a player with plenty of confidence on his own ability and the determination and will to do well. The exact qualities you want in a player in fact.
The club didn't want to lose him - he wasn't given "the boot" - he felt he had a better chance of progressing elsewhere and given where he is now, I can't see how you can criticise him for that. The move worked out perfectly for him because the club clearly didn't convince him they rated him as much as he rated himself.
He wasn't looking like getting a regular start and given United's regular loaning out of young players there's a chance he might have ended up at another middling to bottom PL side before he got a regular start. As it is he ended up in a table topping side and in the CL.
At the end of the day the club dropped the ball in failing to convince him his future was at United.
And If LVG wants him, and its a possibility, Fergie shouldn't be consulted in the matter because its nothing to do with him anyway.
Looks like he fancies being player manager at Stamford Bridge...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rt-picks-Blues-midfield-Football-Manager.html
Jese is an interesting signing upfront, not sure about Asamoah at left back though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rt-picks-Blues-midfield-Football-Manager.html
Jese is an interesting signing upfront, not sure about Asamoah at left back though.
No offence i read this post as blah blah blah.
LvG wont go anywhere near him ,he had his chance,boo hoo. Lads milk gets split.
60 million?
Will you all please in favour off this please wise up to yourselves.
If he ends up in Manchester itll be in blue.And let them have him,weve just got a 62<is that his age?dont know drunk>proper manager thatknows what hes at.
Sorry have you followed manchester United football Club for a a long time?
You seem to like those smileys have a few.
Sorry have you followed manchester United football Club for a a long time?
You seem to like those smileys have a few.
Not long enough to buy crap like the united DNA it seems.Was it to right to let pogba go? Who was at fault? What is the meaning of life? What is the meaning of existence? Who am I?
Yeah fella,youre obviously a tube.
Go and study the history of manchester united football club,and point me to the team that without instilling the do or die spirit that has been ingrained in my and other supporters of our club and brought monumental success<which im not sure you or judging by your knobbishness,well that or your just a clownwho likes a
> club long before Ferguson.Go on cant wait for your next "smiley" twattish comeback.
Yeah fella,youre obviously a tube.
Go and study the history of manchester united football club,and point me to the team that without instilling the do or die spirit that has been ingrained in my and other supporters of teams, and brought monumental success<which im not sure you or judging by your knobbishness,well that or your just a clownwho likes a
Go on cant wait for your next "smiley" twattish comeback.
Yeah fella,youre obviously a tube.
Go and study the history of manchester united football club,and point me to the team that without instilling the do or die spirit that has been ingrained in my and other supporters of our club and brought monumental success<which im not sure you or judging by your knobbishness,well that or your just a clownwho likes a
Go on cant wait for your next "smiley" twattish comeback.
Yeah can barely see the keyboard youll keep compadre.
"No offence" but I dont see the point in your reply.
You don't raise any cogent points at all in response to what I actually said.
If you don't agree with what I've said, fine, but if you've nothing sensible to say in respobse I wouldn't bother.
You said "he had his chance" and I assume you therefore are suggesting he shouldn't have the chance to come back.
I said he didn't get a chance - so disagreed with your criticism of his decision to move on.
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Exactly, it seems that a lot of people haven't seen him before his departure, Pogba wasn't ready not physically or technically but mainly tactically, it was obvious that he wasn't respecting the coaches instructions, he was always a liability for the team balance, most of the times he was able to compensate his mistakes with his talents but it was only with the reserve and u21-u19.
One good thing that came out of this is that whoever is in charge will give an opportunity to youngsters who are ready, especially foreign young players. They were snatched/poached from their original clubs because of the ambition of those players.They will not hesitate to move on if they feel it would get them first team opportunities somewhere else as Rossi, Pique, Daehli and Pogba have proved. Although i thought Januzaj was ready for the first team, i think he was accelerated into the first team to ensure that he remained at United, otherwise he would have been a free agent this summer.
He obviously was ready - His performances with juve proved that his own estimation of his ability was far more accurate than the united coaching staff's.
You have to remember that Pogba events are happening 18 months before his departure and that he had disciplinary problems with Juve in his first 6 month, Conte also thought that Pogba was extremely poor tactically.
United didnt' handle Pogba well, for sure but when he asked to be considered in the rotation he wasn't ready (it was 18 months before his departure, 1 year later he was almost ready and should have been considered but his attitude toward SAF choices and the fact that he changed his agent at the end of a negociation process where he had agreed to sign a new contract, creates a rift between him a SAF
If everyone says the same thing over and over again for enough years then the space time continium will rip open and somehow Pogba will never have left United.
Well not as simple as that either is it. Oh just convince them......if only it was that simple. If he has not desire to comeback, then all the talk in the world won't convince him.
Nonsense. You didn't risk playing a rookie talent or "think about the future" in the middle of one of your toughest PL campaigns.
If you remember correctly, hee was given chances from the bench, which he didn't think were good enough. Sir Alex was not going to bow down or decide his teams based on Pogba's wished.
What I'd do is pick round pegs in round holes. This kid semingly had impressed in the reserves to the extent that he's on the bench - yet Fergie picks Rafael - a young full back who can't tackle half the time, in the middle instead.
Its no wonder when Juve came knocking - I suspect telling him he could be a first team player immediately he decided it was best to move on.
At the end of the day, you don't "risk" anything - but clearly this lad had the ability to come in and do a job at the very least. Being looked over when the team is evidently desperate for midfielders (so much so that a player from another position is given the nod) probably gave him the idea that he wasn't rated - and I can see why, especially if he'd been frustrated by not getting a look in all season when he felt it was deserved.
As it is, regardless of why he obviously felt he had a better chance at progress at Juve - and you cant argue with how its turned out for him, and United lost a player who should have been a regular.
Had a browse on http://www.transfermarkt.com/ there and his market value has risen to fecking 39m.
He's good, but I'm certain that if he was still here he'd be nowhere near that.
He's good, but I'm certain that if he was still here he'd be nowhere near that.
He's going to cost a hell of a lot more than that if/when he moves.Had a browse on http://www.transfermarkt.com/ there and his market value has risen to fecking 39m.
He's good, but I'm certain that if he was still here he'd be nowhere near that.
Sickening really, isn't it? it's not often a player leaves your club rated as promising, to being rated a 40m + player in such a short amount of time. It's a fecking killer.
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