Louis van Gaal | Manchester United manager

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marlowe78 said:
Today was a big day for the future of United. van Gaal showed that he had the bollocks to take off one of the world's best strikers, someone another manager would've felt untouchable, and it brought a result. And while van Persie was probably upset at coming off, it was done by a manager he works well with, so at the end of the day, he likely respects that decision.

And where would our club be without a manager who leads us from 1-0 down to win in the final three minutes? Come on United! :D :wenger: :lol:
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You mean another manager being Moyes who was scared against Newcastle to take RVP off.
 
Clearly the man has tactical nous, and as has been stated a thousand times, it's not every coach who'd sub a world class striker like RvP in that instance, even if he's been anonymous and barely gotten a shot off.

Can't wait to see him actually take the reigns of United :)
 
Rooney must be crapping his pants. Throwing a tantrum when subbed won't go over well with van Gaal, and judging by his performances these past few years that can happen a lot next season.
 
JohnDoe said:
Rooney must be crapping his pants. Throwing a tantrum when subbed won't go over well with van Gaal, and judging by his performances these past few years that can happen a lot next season.
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He probably can't wait to have a manager with some tactical innovation and someome he can have a fresh start with. Well probably see the re-emergance of a top class Rooney rather than the petulant, last sod he became under Fergie or the all star man under Moyes. Can't wait to see how he performs.
 
Seveneric said:
That it was a risky move? And what he's been praised for could be what he'd have been criticized for if they didn't score. It wasn't exactly cryptic
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If they'd created the same chances but had failed to convert them only simpletons would've criticized him for it, and I don't much care about what they think.

It was the right decision, goals or not, because Holland improved as a result of it.
 
SolidState said:
Every day that goes by the decision to appoint David Moyes becomes more and more baffling. Was Fergie really that short sighted?
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Baffling yes, though it might have been the opposite of short sightedness. I honestly believe it was the opposite and that SAF believed he'd "come good" in three years or so. Problem was that SAF probably didn't think things would go so poorly, so quickly for Moyes.
 
JohnDoe said:
Rooney must be crapping his pants. Throwing a tantrum when subbed won't go over well with van Gaal, and judging by his performances these past few years that can happen a lot next season.
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He's going to get subbed so much..
 
There seems to be an assumption at the moment that the Dutch *should* be in the semis or so - have a good long look at their squad. They have a few quality attackers but otherwise the squad is thoroughly average. I think LVG deserves a lot of credit for getting them this far and having a great chance of reaching the last 4.

If any proof is needed - look at what the players are saying. You don't often see them attributing wins to the manager the way that the Dutch players have done in this WC. Multiple times they are coming out saying how LVG knew exactly what was going on and how to handle it etc.

Combined with our signings thus far, it all seems rather too good to be true at the moment.
 
Walrus said:
There seems to be an assumption at the moment that the Dutch *should* be in the semis or so - have a good long look at their squad. They have a few quality attackers but otherwise the squad is thoroughly average. I think LVG deserves a lot of credit for getting them this far and having a great chance of reaching the last 4.
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He does. This is not a great dutch team, nowhere near. They have a couple of top players, whatever's left of Sneijder, maybe a couple of really good talents and a ton of mediocre players or youngters. They've got no top players at the back... It's a team full of holes and very volunrable.
 
JohnDoe said:
What an odd post. Struggling to see what your point is exactly.
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I think he is trying to say is that the decision could have easily gone either way and if it doesn't work out then he looks like a fool. In the same vein that Moyes' decision to keep RVP on against Newcastle could looked like genius move, the man, on top of being clueless, was cursed. How many times did Fergie keep on an out of sorts Rooney only for him to repay that faith in the dying minutes of a game? Moyes just lacked the midas touch to take the correct move when it mattered most, LVG seems to have it, fortunately!
 
itso 7 said:
I think he is trying to say is that the decision could have easily gone either way and if it doesn't work out then he looks like a fool. In the same vein that Moyes' decision to keep RVP on against Newcastle could looked like genius move, the man, on top of being clueless, was cursed. How many times did Fergie keep on an out of sorts Rooney only for him to repay that faith in the dying minutes of a game? Moyes just lacked the midas touch to take the correct move when it mattered most, LVG seems to have it, fortunately!
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Not sure about this one. You have to be brave and see the game at such a high level to perform substitutes that can swing a game like Huntalaar did. Usually it's a like for like swap or perhaps an extra striker or defender depending on what the game needs but to take you star captain off and replace him with a severely lesser player was a brave and genius move. LVG obviously trusts his players immensely and they respect him endlessly, RVP seemed like he understood and respected the decision to come off.

Switch back to Moyes and I don't remember him making a singular tactical sub that changed a game, everything he did was because he wasn't ready for tjis kind of job and I have to be honest I don't think he ever will.
 
itso 7 said:
I think he is trying to say is that the decision could have easily gone either way and if it doesn't work out then he looks like a fool. In the same vein that Moyes' decision to keep RVP on against Newcastle could looked like genius move, the man, on top of being clueless, was cursed. How many times did Fergie keep on an out of sorts Rooney only for him to repay that faith in the dying minutes of a game? Moyes just lacked the midas touch to take the correct move when it mattered most, LVG seems to have it, fortunately!
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The reasoning here seems to be that it is pure luck whether a substitution will work or not - and hence whether it is genius or stupidity.

I think it is doing LVG a disservice to essentially call it luck when his tactical switches pay off - I'm sure nobody would be calling it unlucky if it DIDNT work.
 
caisenma said:
Baffling yes, though it might have been the opposite of short sightedness. I honestly believe it was the opposite and that SAF believed he'd "come good" in three years or so. Problem was that SAF probably didn't think things would go so poorly, so quickly for Moyes.
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he knew it was going to be very rough for him. that's why he implored everyone to "support your new manager." it was just worse than anyone could have imagined or survived. I believe it will be completely different this season and they'll be back on top in a season or two.
 
bosnian_red said:
Well we haven't really brought through many quality players since the giggs/scholes/beckham generation.

Welbeck, cleverley, Evans, Wes brown... Bunch of mid table players really, just becoming squad players (welbeck has potential but he's not that young and not really improved). Januzaj doesn't really count as he came at 16, though we did develop him through the most important years. Doesn't count as academy though.
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Evans & Brown mid table? Can't say i agree.

Evans is our best all round defender.

Brown was a brilliant player injuries ruined him, if not for the injuries he would have been up there with Ferdinand in my opinion.
 
Luck? Isn't that tactical decision about? the most intelligent man in the world can predict all scenarios that could happen but they cannot tell you what gonna happen, this is quantum mechanic btw. Increasing the " chance" of his team winning the match is all manager can do, nothing more, they ain't fortune teller for Christ sake.

There's no way LvG knew Sneijder who has been a disappointment so far, could do an incredible shot in 88th minutes but he could tell Mexico's defenders would sit deeper to defend their 1-0 lead. huntelaar sub, moving robben/Kyut out wide definitely created more spaces and increased the "chance" for Sneijder to score from such a distance, that's why LvG kept him on the field.

Luck or tactical genius? Who cares. LvG made his call and it was a tough one (not many would do that) shows us the man knows what he's doing and He has all confidence in his own decision. That factor alone tells us everything about the genius inside him already.
 
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stevoc said:
Evans & Brown mid table? Can't say i agree.

Evans is our best all round defender.

Brown was a brilliant player injuries ruined him, if not for the injuries he would have been up there with Ferdinand in my opinion.
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Exactly. The notion that Brown, Evans and Welbeck were or are mid table players is simply bullshit. All very good footballers and easily good enough to play at the elite level. The reason I know this is because they did and currently do. Some of the shit you read about our players on here is laughable. These guys have gone to some of the biggest and best stadiums in the world and delivered stormers for United. But yes, mid table indeed.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But thats the point here, we are just impressed that after having to deal with a manager like Moyes who would give excuses left right and center, we have a manager who will stand up and make the big decisions without caring what anyone else has to say.

Side story remember when Moyes said getting transfers in was hard because he only joined in July? Well LvG has been in a different country, coaching another team and it has still been a better transfer window! God that guy was such a joke, its amazing we didnt sack him sooner
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:lol: Amazing wasn't it. Biggest blunder of Fergie's life.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But thats the point here, we are just impressed that after having to deal with a manager like Moyes who would give excuses left right and center, we have a manager who will stand up and make the big decisions without caring what anyone else has to say.

Side story remember when Moyes said getting transfers in was hard because he only joined in July? Well LvG has been in a different country, coaching another team and it has still been a better transfer window! God that guy was such a joke, its amazing we didnt sack him sooner
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and the funny part is that biggest reason for him starting on July 1st was his freaking holiday :lol:
 
I don't see why it is tactical genius to revise something he got wrong from the start. Not everything LvG does is genius. Moyes would have been slaughtered if his side managed to get only one shot on goal in 70 minutes or so. I remember the Olympiakos disaster (Thank god this season is over). I still trust LvG to get us back on track for next season and in the CL.
 
Kill 'em all said:
Zola and the rest of them are talking on Bein sports and they just said our academy is currently in a very bad state and that van Gaal is the right man to improve it. Do they know something we don't? Is our academy really that bad?
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Not sure it's bad, maybe gone a bit stagnant. A few new ideas might improve it. I think people go overboard about our kids. That being as fan, we all do it.
 
red_7 said:
I don't see why it is tactical genius to revise something he got wrong from the start. Not everything LvG does is genius. Moyes would have been slaughtered if his side managed to get only one shot on goal in 70 minutes or so. I remember the Olympiakos disaster (Thank god this season is over). I still trust LvG to get us back on track for next season and in the CL.
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i don't think LVG initial formation was a mistake at all. Why would you think so? Both sides cancelled each other out, the chances Mexico got were in my opinion a result of two factors:

- no matter how it sounds Mexico have better players
- more importantly though Mexico played at higher energy levels in the first half. This, however, took its toll in the second half.

Mexico got their goal from a long-distance shot, which in most cases is the best way to gain advantage when both teams are locked.
That's tactics 101.


IMO LVG thinking was thus: first do not concede => defensive (maybe balanced is a better word), possession oriented formation

If concede first => add width (which he did), if score first - add another cm to break Mexico play, especially runs from no 10 and cm.

here's my take on it mate ;)
 
red_7 said:
I don't see why it is tactical genius to revise something he got wrong from the start. Not everything LvG does is genius. Moyes would have been slaughtered if his side managed to get only one shot on goal in 70 minutes or so. I remember the Olympiakos disaster (Thank god this season is over). I still trust LvG to get us back on track for next season and in the CL.
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I agree, although there is a difference between choosing to concede ground and possession, and being played off the park no matter what you do.
 
Winrar said:
Pardon if Moyes comparison is not allowed, but this is what Moyes had to say about Van Persie:

"I think if I'd brought him off (against Newcastle) some people would say 'What are you doing? You are 1-0 down and you're taking off your top goalscorer.'"

Pales in comparison with what happened today, doesn't it...
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That is the big difference, Moyes cares what people will think say, LvG doesn't give a hoot. You should just be going by your own instincts not what people will say.
 
marlowe78 said:
Today was a big day for the future of United. van Gaal showed that he had the bollocks to take off one of the world's best strikers, someone another manager would've felt untouchable, and it brought a result. And while van Persie was probably upset at coming off, it was done by a manager he works well with, so at the end of the day, he likely respects that decision.

And where would our club be without a manager who leads us from 1-0 down to win in the final three minutes? Come on United! :D :wenger: :lol:
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Rooney has reason to be worried, he will not be getting his own way any more.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Rooney has reason to be worried, he will not be getting his own way any more.
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That applies for every player. That can only bode well. I mean that without any sarcasm. No more player egos disgracing the shirt. Last season, I felt too many players didn't give enough. Too many of them were too stuck up in their own situations. Blaming the manager was the easy way out. Not saying Moyes didn't deserve the axe, only that some of the players are equally culpable.
 
The Red Thinker said:
That applies for every player. That can only bode well. I mean that without any sarcasm. No more player egos disgracing the shirt. Last season, I felt too many players didn't give enough. Too many of them were too stuck up in their own situations. Blaming the manager was the easy way out. Not saying Moyes didn't deserve the axe, only that some of the players are equally culpable.
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Spot on. I always feel players are like little kids in classes waiting for the right teacher to guide them the right path.
 
red_7 said:
I don't see why it is tactical genius to revise something he got wrong from the start. Not everything LvG does is genius. Moyes would have been slaughtered if his side managed to get only one shot on goal in 70 minutes or so. I remember the Olympiakos disaster (Thank god this season is over). I still trust LvG to get us back on track for next season and in the CL.
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Oh really? how nice of you to still trust him after that shambles of a managerial display. :p
 
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