Just a tad revisionist, there's far more to it than Pogba's attitude, and SAF is not blameless
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Just a tad revisionist, there's far more to it than Pogba's attitude, and SAF is not blameless
Are you ITK?
I can see Juve holding onto him for another year or two and then selling for a huge fee to Real. Would love to have him at Chelsea, but no chance of that happening.
No just being realist. Pogba's stated it was the worst moment of his career to date.Do you think he's so in love with us,he'll forgive and forget?
For the amount of money I'd rather go for Reus
It turned out to be a great move for him. Must be a smart guy.
It's weird how players look good when they get game time in their best positions.
It's weird how players look good when they get game time in their best positions.
Really? Can easily see that happening, as Chelsea are probably the club most likely for Pogba to go to in England.
Or Yaya's replacement at City.
I don't believe that for one minute.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/juventus-fans-protest-against-pogba-sale-4020542#.U7GtC_ldV-c
And I don't think anyone (well I certainly wasn't) was calling him the best midfielder in the world, but at 21, if he continues to progress like he has been doing over the last year or so, I don't see why he can't be.
Ferguson in his final two seasons cruelly epitomised selfishness and shortsightedness. Desperate to retire in a last flourish of glory, he eviscerated the long-term team-building approach that made his United sides so adaptable successful over the years, and ended this strategy with a swift and abrupt halt. Pogba's talents were resolutely ignored, Ferguson so desperate to secure United's twentieth League triumph that he brought Scholes back from retirement. It was nearly successful, with United falling tragically short of the title on goal difference in the dying seconds. Pogba, though, was ignored and made the sensible move to a club on the rise, slowly rebuilding from catastrophe, with a sustainable and sensible long-term plan in place. There was no place for a project like Pogba in Ferguson's thinking. Determined to gain that elusive twentieth title in the following season, Ferguson again compromised the long-term health of United by signing an injury-prone striker in his late twenties for a tremendous fee. Robin van Persie undoubtedly helped Ferguson secure that final title triumph, but he also crushed the development of Welbeck, who had promised so much in an impressive previous season in which he linked up spectacularly with Rooney, who scored 34 goals. Rooney, too was cast aside for Ferguson's selfish purchase of this new toy from Arsenal. United's talisman and most respected player for nearly a decade was tossed aside. It also doomed Shinji Kagawa to failure before his United career even began. We saw glimpses of lovely link-up play between Kagawa and Rooney, but far too often either player was cast aside in favour of Ferguson's golden boy. And of course, Chicharito became a mere afterthought, a despondent sulking figure, whose demise from the captivating talent in the 2010 World Cup and 2010/2011 debut season at United is one of the great tragedies of world football.
Pogba chose to leave because he was not given a fair chance by Ferguson. Fans branding him as a mercenary or calling him names are merely deluding themselves. Many other United players have also suffered from Ferguson's understandable and perhaps justifiable selfishness in his final years. We are all happy Ferguson secured the Premier League in 2013, but it has come at a grave cost in terms of United's long-term ambitions. Watching Paul Pogba is a cruel reminder of the decline of Manchester United Football Club. After the abyss of Moyes, it appears we may finally be returning as a club feared and respected throughout the world, but the failure to give Pogba a chance his talents merited at this club will continue to haunt us for many years to come.
Pogba chose to leave because he was not given a fair chance by Ferguson. Fans branding him as a mercenary or calling him names are merely deluding themselves. Many other United players have also suffered from Ferguson's understandable and perhaps justifiable selfishness in his final years. We are all happy Ferguson secured the Premier League in 2013, but it has come at a grave cost in terms of United's long-term ambitions. Watching Paul Pogba is a cruel reminder of the decline of Manchester United Football Club. After the abyss of Moyes, it appears we may finally be returning as a club feared and respected throughout the world, but the failure to give Pogba a chance his talents merited at this club will continue to haunt us for many years to come.
I agree. I think a younger Fergie (even 5 years earlier) would have dealt with Pogba a lot better. Unfortunately, it coincided with him moving towards retirement mode and the age of 70 and he probably had limited appetite for dealing with a cocky young kid like Pogba. I can't pin much blame on Pogba - I genuinely believe that Blackburn game was the last straw for him and not just a pretext.
Good post but I would dispute the last point.We've lost out on players before and moved on.
I'm still in denial that we didn't move for James Rodriguez and signed Bebe!!!
I don't think he'll go back to England and I can't see Chelsea spending the kind of money Juventus would want for him, anyway.
That's not entirely accurate mate.
Pogba's mainly blamed Sir Alex's lack of trust for his departure. In most of his interviews, he doesn't come across as resenting United. On the contrary he claims to having great affection for the club and still follows United on facebook.
http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-prem...-alex-ferguson-selection-at-manchester-united
Also here :
http://www.givemesport.com/462019-paul-pogba-i-love-manchester-united
The interviews where Pogba said he hated his time at United was fake :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-A-Juventus-Jay-Z-Sportsmails-Its-secret.html
Pogba even tweeted about one of it to clear up the air. If he held any animosity towards United he wouldn't have bothered..
I reckon United would be the club of choice if he returns to England. He has lots of mates in the reserve team (esp Januzaj) and his older brother plays at Crewe. Of course we will have to match Chelsea, City or Arsenal financially to make Juventus budge from their stance of not selling him.
I thought Pogba was poor today and i watched the game very closely, continually gave the ball away.
Matuidi looked the stand out midfielder on the pitch.
Matuidi looked the stand out midfielder on the pitch.
I agree that Pogba gave the ball away quite a few times today, but he was the only midfielder who was trying to force the issue, and try an optimistic passes, whereas, Matuidi was just making simple five yard simple passes. That said, Pogba finished with the same pass success (81%) as Matuidi and made 21 more passes then him.
great post!! we won that title at a great cost. I somewhat understand Ferguson's thinking though. Albeit selfish, he opted for the sure buy in Van Persie rather than midfield reinforcements or the backup right back who might not pan out,and Welbeck(n Hernandez) who might not score enough goals .
@johnmufc makes a number of great points. Yet at the same I think we were all a little bit guilty ourselves of demanding that we keep piling on the trophies now rather than building a squad that would sacrifice a prem trophy today for a potential truck full of trophies later.
At the time I had no problem bring back Scholes, but it seemed to me there was a way for Fergie to pull it off while still giving Pogba the assurance he needed an the playing time he had deserved.
At the time I had no problem bring back Scholes, but it seemed to me there was a way for Fergie to pull it off while still giving Pogba the assurance he needed an the playing time he had deserved.
Yeah, that's why he bought those finished articles Jones and De Gea. What a crock of shite.
"At Manchester United, they were calling him 'Mandela' by the end, such was the young man's act of insubordination towards manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
It certainly was not an oversight that Paul Pogba's name barely earned a mention in Ferguson's recent autobiography. Ferguson's silence spoke volumes."
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It certainly was not an oversight that Paul Pogba's name barely earned a mention in Ferguson's recent autobiography. Ferguson's silence spoke volumes."
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Yeah how selfish of Fergie. Might as well add veterans Powell (18), Henriquez (18), Zaha (20), Kagawa (23) on top of almost signing Hazard (21) and Moura (20) to the list. Not to mention integrating old men Cleverley and Welbeck into the squad. Such short sightedness.
I posted that before the game but he was also outstanding in general play.
Plus that's nit exactly all they had to go on comparisons with Viera were coming out before he left, everyone knew he would be class.
I'm not saying he didn't have attitude problems either I'ts just a shame of all the players to not work out it was him.
Yep…everyone is an expert!
Yeah, all the stuff Fergie has achieved and experienced and he should talk about Paul twatting Pogba in his book.
I think the latter years of fergie did expose fergie's judgement with players even outside his own backyard. It is one thing to tell everyone value for money, but it is another to not only buy bargain basement signings with the odd 2 or 3 top class signings in 3 seasons, but to not give many youngsters a chance says it all. The rafeal decision to play him in CM ahead of pogba is a huge killer for the club, which they are still paying the price today, as LVG rebuilds this broken engine room.
What a load of misguided claptrap. This belongs on RAWK.
That combined with the numerous talents SAF has brought up from the academy is testament to the fact that it wasn't the case. Had we lost the title and RVP had moved to Chelsea instead then this place would have been a slaughter house blaming him for toeing the company line and being a Glazer stooge by not spending money and improving the squad.
What surprises me even more that after 2.5 decades of such success we still question the man and his motives? Would you rather have had someone else at the helm all this while? Maybe Pogba wouldn't have been here at United in the first place if not for SAF.
Would have loved that volley to fly in. Would have been a great goal.
He's a greath athlete and seems to glide around the pitch, but I was surprised how reluctant he was too use his left foot today, constantly taking a more difficult route to get the ball on his right.
the daily mail are coming out with stories about the club rejecting this year's world cup stars now. yesterday it was james rodriguez, and just now rais mbohli!
anyway pogba was one of sir alex biggest mistakes for sure, surely it didn't effect his last season at united because we won the league but right now we are paying for it. if pogba is coming back ,meaning we have to pay 40million for a player that we've lost for free just 2 years ago. but if he is available and want to come back and play for van gaal? surely that's great news.
anyway pogba was one of sir alex biggest mistakes for sure, surely it didn't effect his last season at united because we won the league but right now we are paying for it. if pogba is coming back ,meaning we have to pay 40million for a player that we've lost for free just 2 years ago. but if he is available and want to come back and play for van gaal? surely that's great news.
I think the claims he hates United are wide of the mark. It will take more than £40 million to bring him back though I think.
I dont know if anyone mentioned this already but has it ever occurred to anyone that we made a big mistake letting Pogba go?
What were we thinking?
What were we thinking?
Has someone in an Interview ever asked Fergy about his neglect of the CM position?
I don't blame him. He must have cried when he saw Rafael and Park in midfield.
I think it's Fergies biggest mistake. Other players we lost out on or didn't sign. But we had this guy and suddenly he turns into a £50m player.
I think it's Fergies biggest mistake. Other players we lost out on or didn't sign. But we had this guy and suddenly he turns into a £50m player.
Spain developed a way of playing without strikers. I sometimes wonder whether SAF wanted his legacy to be a new system with which he could be forever associated, like Rinus Michels and Total Football - a system without a midfield. Maybe he saw how good Pogba would become and didnt want him to ruin his midfieldless project.
The only thing Pogba looks forward to is his next big money move.
That's how he came to United and that's how he left.
The only reason he keeps talking about why he left United is because it's killing him inside that he would be a nailed on starter by now on high wages if he'd stayed.
I mean Luke Shaw is on higher wages than him now.
That's how he came to United and that's how he left.
The only reason he keeps talking about why he left United is because it's killing him inside that he would be a nailed on starter by now on high wages if he'd stayed.
I mean Luke Shaw is on higher wages than him now.
Do you think he looks back with regret at leaving us then? One of the brightest lights in European football, a massive reputation, and close to a big money move that will make him a very rich young man. While we flounder, out of the CL, hoping to get back to where we once were. I doubt very much he has any regrets or that anything is killing him inside at all. I imagine he feels much like a rat sitting on top of a piece of driftwood, surveying the sinking ship he just escaped from.
Say what you want about him attitude wise, but he really is getting better and better. One of the top young CMs in the world only at 21. Alongside Thiago not sure too many who are better. The flowing move today where he skipped past a player, laid it off to the wide man, and volleyed a shot on goal was great.
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