Arturo Vidal

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NMF said:
It's times like these when all goes tits up on our dream CM signing makes we very annoyed we didn't sign the likes of Thiago, Strootman, Gundogan (at Nuremburg), Moutinho, Fernandinho ect.......so at least if we don't sign him we still have some very good options but NO we chose to ignore them.
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Our CM had been victim of blatant nepotism for quite some time. Fellaini (Moyes man), Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher and Cleverley (Fergie Babes) and Ando (SAF had only praises for this boy in the autobiography). Under such circumstances no wonder why Pogba left and we were never really interested in players like Moutinho and Strootman. The 'who can replace Paul Scholes?' had been the mantra for years on MUTV.

Luckily VG seem not to care about that at all and look set to make a clearout paving the way to some new quality CM.
 
Kill 'em all said:
Lou Macari is saying we're overloaded with midfielders so it doesn't make sense to sign Vidal. :lol:
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and that's exactly why he is stuck on MUTV and not on a respected
mufcwarm92 said:
Eh? We haven't signed a player over 30 in years. Last one was probably Van der Sar, and he was a keeper. In the long term I can only really think of Sheringham and Blanc. Larsson only on loan. RVP was 29 but slap bang in his peak.
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well you prove my point, kids or olde fella's in the "twilight of their careers"

its rare we go out and buy a player thats is on the cusp of the peak of their career or smack dab in the midst of it....
 
devilish said:
Our CM had been victim of blatant nepotism for quite some time. Fellaini (Moyes man), Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher and Cleverley (Fergie Babes) and Ando (SAF had only praises for this boy in the autobiography). Under such circumstances no wonder why Pogba left and we chose to ignore the issue.
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It was just pure negligence on Fergie's part. Moyes is just as bad though he passed up the opportunity to sign not just Thiago but Strootman as well both would have sorted our issues in midfield.
 
NMF said:
It was just pure negligence on Fergie's part. Moyes is just as bad though he passed up the opportunity to sign not just Thiago but Strootman as well both would have sorted our issues in midfield.
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I don't think its negligence but nepotism. SAF simply lacked the heart to tell the likes of Giggs, Fletcher, Scholes and Cleverley that it was time to pack things up and retire.

To be fair its not easy. He's been knowing some of these people since they were 13 years old and have been central to his success
 
NMF said:
It was just pure negligence on Fergie's part. Moyes is just as bad though he passed up the opportunity to sign not just Thiago but Strootman as well both would have sorted our issues in midfield.
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I think Moyes believed in the "premier league proven", thing which may be a reason for not going after Thiago and Strootman, something a non British manager might not believe in
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I think Moyes believed in the "premier league proven", thing which may be a reason for not going after Thiago and Strootman, something a non British manager might not believe in
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I honestly doubt that prior to his experience at United Moyes had a concrete idea of the talent available outside Britain. Players like Strootman and Thiago wouldn't consider Everton as an option
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I think Moyes believed in the "premier league proven", thing which may be a reason for not going after Thiago and Strootman, something a non British manager might not believe in
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That is a good point especially when his three main targets were all premier league proven. That's why I'm glad we have Van Gaal but even at the moment there isn't a lot of options out there.
 
devilish said:
I don't think its negligence but nepotism. SAF simply lacked the heart to tell the likes of Giggs, Fletcher, Scholes and Cleverley that it was time to pack things up and retire.

To be fair its not easy. He's been knowing some of these people since they were 13 years old and have been central to his success
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He did choose to ignore it though, even when Scholes retired for the first team it was an opportunity to break the bank and bring in that world class midfielder we needed but I don't think other than Sneijder and Nasri who weren't even natural CM's we didn't seem to target any of them.

That's why I wanted Van Gaal he won't get emotional if they aren't up to the standard then they'l be told.
 
Muppet suicides galore today when Van Gaal says we've had a look at Vidal and decided to pursue other targets.
 
devilish said:
Our CM had been victim of blatant nepotism for quite some time. Fellaini (Moyes man), Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher and Cleverley (Fergie Babes) and Ando (SAF had only praises for this boy in the autobiography). Under such circumstances no wonder why Pogba left and we were never really interested in players like Moutinho and Strootman. The 'who can replace Paul Scholes?' had been the mantra for years on MUTV.

Luckily VG seem not to care about that at all and look set to make a clearout paving the way to some new quality CM.
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Dev, i completely dig what you're saying there man, but i still think that Fergie tried to do what was best for the club.

We all know bringing players in doesnt always work out, but the mantra of the club has always been to try to bring through the young players - because they'll have the club in their fibres.

Pogba would have been angling for a move to PSG, Real, Barca or Bayern right now if he stayed - whoever paid the most. He's the type it seems & he'll never settle at a club for too long.

As much as folk laud him with praise, in his own mind - it looks like he'll always be bigger than the club he's at. He wont be at Juve for long - probably gone before the window shuts is my opinion..
 
NMF said:
He did choose to ignore it though, even when Scholes retired for the first team it was an opportunity to break the bank and bring in that world class midfielder we needed but I don't think other than Sneijder and Nasri who weren't even natural CM's we didn't seem to target any of them.

That's why I wanted Van Gaal he won't get emotional if they aren't up to the standard then they'l be told.
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With Scholes gone we still had 3 Fergie Babes (Cleverley, Giggs and Fletcher) and SAF's favorite Ando. The CM was so stocked with Fergie's men that even one of the most promising CM in football struggled to find space in that team. Its ironic to think that Pogba struggled to find space with a midfield made up by the likes of Cleverley and Ando but slotted in almost immediately at Juventus who have players like Vidal, Marchisio and Pirlo
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Dev, i completely dig what you're saying there man, but i still think that Fergie tried to do what was best for the club.

We all know bringing players in doesnt always work out, but the mantra of the club has always been to try to bring through the young players - because they'll have the club in their fibres.

Pogba would have been angling for a move to PSG, Real, Barca or Bayern right now if he stayed - whoever paid the most. He's the type it seems & he'll never settle at a club for too long.

As much as folk laud him with praise, in his own mind - it looks like he'll always be bigger than the club he's at. He wont be at Juve for long - probably gone before the window shuts is my opinion..
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I never thought for one second that Pogba would remain at OT forever. He's similar to the likes of Fabregas and Ronaldo who saw the EPL as an important stepping stone to foreign clubs/salary. However the talent was always there and he was by far our best CM (bar Carrick). In 2-3 seasons time someone would have slapped a 60m bid on him which would benefit us greatly and allow us to get quality players.

Mind I do understand SAF. Its surely not nice to tell players whose been at the club since they were children and who had sweated blood for the club that it was time to retire. However if there were players who were made bigger then the club then they were the current CM who was retained despite showing, year after year, that they clearly weren't good enough (at least anymore)
 
Carl said:
Rumours that it was off started well before this Juventus presser. Infact most of the news on this since yesterday morning has been negative.



I always thought this was a long shot. Got sucked in and now wishing I hadn't. Doesn't look like happening now.
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Most reports in England, where there seems to have been a briefing, said it was off. Italy / Chile were still saying on. United could be telling the truth to English journos, or they could be fooling them - wouldn't be the first time a club has said one thing, done another in the transfer market.
 
The chances are that we will play it down. We clearly don't want a public courtship of the player. At least not a blatantly obvious one.
 
Van Gaal is a bit of a wild card at interviews (no shit lol), might let something slip.
 
Pexbo said:
The chances are that we will play it down. We clearly don't want a public courtship of the player. At least not a blatantly obvious one.
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Think you are right.

But imagine if it's like the Fergie interviews where he publicly confirmed our interest in Moura then RvP :drool:
 
Hopefully we'll sign him or another midfielder soon, so we can put this to bed. I can't handle this for another month and a half. :nervous:

I swear I change my mind like 10 times every day. We're signing him... oh wait, no chance... or maybe there is a chance after all... shit, looks like we're not in for him... and so on.:annoyed:
 
adexkola said:
What does this mean?

He was in top form for 3 years. What more is required to be labeled a top player (during that period)? Who is a top winger nowadays?
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What I mean is fans get sucked in by an average player being given the platform to do well. But if we are discussing ABILITY he had never had the ability of a top player. He is extremely one dimensional and once he got found out that was it. He was playing well but Antonio Valencia has never been what I consider a top player.

There aren't meany traditional wingers around so talking wide forwards

Ribery
Robben
Reus
Di Maria
Hazard
Pedro
Alexis

(Most probably missing some guys)

Valencia had NOWHERE near the ability of these guys. Don't get me wrong he was playing well, but was Antonio Valencia a top player ? No.

Fans get sucked in by form too often. Personally I'll always back the player with talent and ability (I'm including mentality in there too) Those things rarely change while the other things do.

That's how teams end up buying players who they think are better than they are due to their environment and it turns out said player isn't as good as they apparently thought.

The only way you can get an honest view of a player is by watching him a good few times (5-10 IMO )
 
Matador8 said:
Jones has the biggest potential out of all the defenders in my opinion, if he can learn to control his aggressive nature on the pitch. He will be a beast in the future, I hope. I think a few peoples eyebrows are going to be raised with a few members of the squad, who normally get abuse. Probably myself included.
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Completely agree with this post. I think Cleverley will show he's not as awful as fans think. He has ability he has lost confidence in his game. Hopefully LVG can bring that back.
 
Pexbo said:
The chances are that we will play it down. We clearly don't want a public courtship of the player. At least not a blatantly obvious one.
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Exactly.

It's as though some posters are incapable of reading between the lines - they just take what's said as gospel; hence all the flip-flopping of moods!

United are clearly approaching this summer's transfer window with a different tact - they're keeping their business under wraps and not making public pronouncements. Has Woody been quoted once this summer? Not that I've seen...

The English press have clearly been briefed that Vidal isn't on our radar - that doesn't mean we are telling the truth. We could be, but football is littered with instances where clubs have been economical with the truth to throw the media off the scent. "Wouldn't sell that mob a virus"...

Finally, Juventus were always going to flex their muscles at yesterday's presser. Losing Conte was a blow, so they were hardly going to follow it up by saying Vidal is for sale - the Juve fans are already up in arms. The way I saw it, they were saying that the club doesn't want to sell and if a deal does happen, it'll be because Vidal forced it. It's a common method for transferring blame from the club to the player.

So, in summary, Vidal might or might not move to United, but press suggestions that he's not on our radar are absurd - there's way too much smoke. Suggestions that we're baulking at the asking prove are also stupid given how much we've spent on Herrera and Shaw.

We go through this roller coaster every time we sign a player, I would've thought - as seasoned muppets - you'd all be used to it by now!
 
Feed Me said:
Exactly.

It's as though some posters are incapable of reading between the lines - they just take what's said as gospel; hence all the flip-flopping of moods!

United are clearly approaching this summer's transfer window with a different tact - they're keeping their business under wraps and not making public pronouncements. Has Woody been quoted once this summer? Not that I've seen...

The English press have clearly been briefed that Vidal isn't on our radar - that doesn't mean they're telling the truth. They could be, but football is littered with instances where clubs have been economical with the truth to throw the media off the scent. "Wouldn't sell that mob a virus"...

Finally, Juventus were always going to flex their muscles at yesterday's presser. Losing Conte was a blow, so they were hardly going to follow it up by saying Vidal is for sale - the Juve fans are already up in arms. The way I saw it, they were saying that the club doesn't want to sell and if a deal does happen, it'll be because Vidal forced it. It's a common method for transferring blame from the club to the player.

So, in summary, Vidal might or might not move to United, but press suggestions that he's not on our radar are absurd - there's way too much smoke. Suggestions that we're baulking at the asking prove are also stupid given how much we've spent on Herrera and Shaw.

We go through this roller coaster every time we sign a player, I would've thought - as seasoned muppets - you'd all be used to it by now!
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Excellent post, it made my day, now I can go back to work or start working in peace. Until my next log in that is. :D
 
I'm not having the argument that because Conte left Vidal can't be sold.

Conte only left to ultimately take the Italy job, as safe a bet as there can be right now. In Italy, it has to be assumed that that's the pinnacle of a football managerial career.

It's hard to argue conclusively what impact Conte's departure will have on Vidal's future, but it seems to me that Vidal himself would be more open to a move now with Conte gone. Juve aren't looking to just to dump him, no doubt, but there can also be no doubt that this is a peak offer situation they'll never see again for Vidal.

It's on, amigos.
 
Gannicus said:
I'm not having the argument that because Conte left Vidal can't be sold.

Conte only left to ultimately take the Italy job, as safe a bet as there can be right now. In Italy, it has to be assumed that that's the pinnacle of a football managerial career.

It's hard to argue conclusively what impact Conte's departure will have on Vidal's future, but it seems to me that Vidal himself would be more open to a move now with Conte gone. Juve aren't looking to just to dump him, no doubt, but there can also be no doubt that this is a peak offer situation they'll never see again for Vidal.

It's on, amigos.
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Vidal was open to a move away from Juve under Conte, a top bracket (or very near) manager. Allegri is a downgrade in managerial terms. Can see Vidal being even more inclined to move to United now, especially with LvG making such an impression at the WC.
 
hobbers said:
Van Gaal is a bit of a wild card at interviews (no shit lol), might let something slip.
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I can't see van Gaal mentioning Vidal at all today, I think he will be keeping his cards close to his chest with any transfer news. He will probably say he is looking for one or two but he's not desperate.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Excellent post, it made my day, now I can go back to work or start working in peace. Until my next log in that is. :D
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Good post indeed Feed Me, but folk have been saying all of that since the Juve presser yesterday Mali..

People just want things wrapped up asap & i'm the same, but we're a bloody big fish compared to last summer with Moyes - and Louie wants to win the league more importantly.. He knows what it'll take to achieve that objective!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Good post indeed Feed Me, but folk have been saying all of that since the Juve presser yesterday Mali..

People just want things wrapped up asap & i'm the same, but we're a bloody big fish compared to last summer with Moyes - and Louie wants to win the league more importantly.. He knows what it'll take to achieve that objective!
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Agreed. I'm a lot calmer this time round, just because we have a proper manager in the hot seat.

Even if we genuinely aren't in for Vidal, I have faith that he'll be looking at someone who will come in and make the difference to our midfield.

Sounds cheesy, but by far the best signing of the summer started work yesterday...
 
Cantonarightboot said:
and that's exactly why he is stuck on MUTV and not on a respected



well you prove my point, kids or olde fella's in the "twilight of their careers"

its rare we go out and buy a player thats is on the cusp of the peak of their career or smack dab in the midst of it....
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Veron

Bare in mind that fergie was manager for over 20 years, he never really got into transfer battles fro the cream of the crop. Even before the current owners came along. I think it was more his preference rather than club policy
 
devilish said:
I never thought for one second that Pogba would remain at OT forever. He's similar to the likes of Fabregas and Ronaldo who saw the EPL as an important stepping stone to foreign clubs/salary. However the talent was always there and he was by far our best CM (bar Carrick). In 2-3 seasons time someone would have slapped a 60m bid on him which would benefit us greatly and allow us to get quality players.

Mind I do understand SAF. Its surely not nice to tell players whose been at the club since they were children and who had sweated blood for the club that it was time to retire. However if there were players who were made bigger then the club then they were the current CM who was retained despite showing, year after year, that they clearly weren't good enough (at least anymore)
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Never know Dev - we might be trying for Ronnie again this summer ;)
 
golden_blunder said:
Veron

Bare in mind that fergie was manager for over 20 years, he never really got into transfer battles fro the cream of the crop. Even before the current owners came along. I think it was more his preference rather than club policy
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The Veron deal was relatively easy. Both player and Lazio were risking big by him remaining in Italy (the passport scandal) and he was shipped away as soon as possible. JSV never wanted to leave Italy. His style suited the place, he became homesick from day 1 and he was expected to change his game and settle down in an already established midfield made up mostly of homegrown talent, pushing one of the 'lads' out of position in the process.

In my opinion he was the wrong player who came to OT for the wrong reasons.
 
I know nothing more will come of this until he's back from holiday, and even then its seems increasingly unlikely, so why can't i stop checking this thread?
 
LVG press conference today will announce that he was happy with the training session and the stand out player was Cleverley, no midfielders required folks ive found our new Vidal right here.

Maybe Moyes was onto something.
 
Turnip said:
I know nothing more will come of this until he's back from holiday, and even then its seems increasingly unlikely, so why can't i stop checking this thread?
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It's stronger than you. :D

Believe me, every day and night I ask myself why am I checking this thread all the time and thus torturing myself.
 
devilish said:
I don't think its negligence but nepotism. SAF simply lacked the heart to tell the likes of Giggs, Fletcher, Scholes and Cleverley that it was time to pack things up and retire.
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He's such an idiot isn't he, maybe if he had just dropped scholes and giggs and clevz and brought in some italians we would have actually won something those final ten years
 
Feed Me said:
Exactly.

It's as though some posters are incapable of reading between the lines - they just take what's said as gospel; hence all the flip-flopping of moods!

United are clearly approaching this summer's transfer window with a different tact - they're keeping their business under wraps and not making public pronouncements. Has Woody been quoted once this summer? Not that I've seen...

The English press have clearly been briefed that Vidal isn't on our radar - that doesn't mean we are telling the truth. We could be, but football is littered with instances where clubs have been economical with the truth to throw the media off the scent. "Wouldn't sell that mob a virus"...

Finally, Juventus were always going to flex their muscles at yesterday's presser. Losing Conte was a blow, so they were hardly going to follow it up by saying Vidal is for sale - the Juve fans are already up in arms. The way I saw it, they were saying that the club doesn't want to sell and if a deal does happen, it'll be because Vidal forced it. It's a common method for transferring blame from the club to the player.

So, in summary, Vidal might or might not move to United, but press suggestions that he's not on our radar are absurd - there's way too much smoke. Suggestions that we're baulking at the asking prove are also stupid given how much we've spent on Herrera and Shaw.

We go through this roller coaster every time we sign a player, I would've thought - as seasoned muppets - you'd all be used to it by now!
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Great post.
 
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