It seems like one of those things where it could end up being either extreme. Rooney buckles down and has one of the best seasons of his career, or they have a massive falling out and clash with each other. But yeah you've definitely got a point.
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It seems like one of those things where it could end up being either extreme. Rooney buckles down and has one of the best seasons of his career, or they have a massive falling out and clash with each other. But yeah you've definitely got a point.
The potential problem with Rooney is him not showing the right work ethic if played out of position. LvG was extremely impressed with RvP's reaction to being benched and it was what convinced him to make Robin captain. My worry is that Rooney will react poorly to being benched in certain matches or played in several positions over the course of the season. It is not a completely unfounded thing to worry about either. He reacted poorly to SAF doing the same thing in his last season and LvG will not be impressed with that.
We should all hope that doesn't happen though. Massive waste of money if things don't work out.
We should all hope that doesn't happen though. Massive waste of money if things don't work out.
Absolutely, on the face of it, it could go either way. I'm leaning more towards him being of some significance next season.
I hope it all works out well, no more zombie football.
Modestly entitled ‘Visie’ (Vision), the great man outlines his philosophy in words that would be clear to even the biggest football simpleton. ‘My training is based on an attacking style of football. Never defensive!’ is the emphatic message, complete with self-penned exclamation mark.
The full-on lesson continues: ‘To destruct the organisation of the opposition my team must pass the ball around at the highest possible speed with a terrific use of all positions. When we lose the ball I don’t want my team to run backwards, I want them to win it back in the quickest possible time.’
‘I deliberately call my training models technical/tactical, because in my sessions one is linked to the other,’ he wrote. ‘I will be right on top of every player, demanding each player will give the maximum in each passing session.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...yers-display-tactical-nous.html#ixzz37xwRNEr3
Modestly entitled ‘Visie’ (Vision), the great man outlines his philosophy in words that would be clear to even the biggest football simpleton. ‘My training is based on an attacking style of football. Never defensive!’ is the emphatic message, complete with self-penned exclamation mark.
The full-on lesson continues: ‘To destruct the organisation of the opposition my team must pass the ball around at the highest possible speed with a terrific use of all positions. When we lose the ball I don’t want my team to run backwards, I want them to win it back in the quickest possible time.’
‘I deliberately call my training models technical/tactical, because in my sessions one is linked to the other,’ he wrote. ‘I will be right on top of every player, demanding each player will give the maximum in each passing session.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...yers-display-tactical-nous.html#ixzz37xwRNEr3
Whenever I hear his name mentioned i have issues with Rooney. He fecking disrespected the club more than once. You can't deny his appetite for the game, and his ability. Best of British.
I am, well I do not think Rooney has improved a great deal under fergie, mostly played out of position and used has a water carrier for Ronaldo. He's been a quality striker for united, but not that Rooney between 2004/06
I really hope you're both kidding. The praise is heaped on LvG because he already seems to have earned it. He's an exceptional manager, unlike Moyes who didn't actually earn his position at a club as prestigious as this. It's only natural people get excited after the garbage we had to put up with last season...
Fergie specifically said in his autobiography that Rooney would struggle to adapt to new ideas and would tend to revert back to what he already knows and trusts.
If you're referring to how van Gaal would accommodate Rooney, then I would tend to disagree. It's a guessing game.
Rooney has been good at scoring goals, I think rooney has been used in way to many positions, rooney is one player that has tried to do new things. I just feel just play him in his best position and he will deliver the goods. Would anyone play RVP on the left or in CM? no do not think so. Some players cannot be that complete forward/player
It is the same has playing vidic at RB or LB, or xavi on the left, play the best players in their rightful positions
I always felt bad for Rooney, because he was at first under the shadows of Ronaldo, then had an amazing 2009-10 season with 30 odd goals and then Fergie made him second striker when he brought Berbatov and now he is playing second fiddle to RVP.
His two best seasons here have been 2009/10 and 2011/12 where he played on top. Ironically, we lost both the titles.
And in both seasons we lost the title by a point, amazing thing in the 2009/10 season, we lost ronaldo and tevez, and still only came a point away from winning it. Let us not forget the dodgy decisions at stamford bridge
In Five/Ten years from now we're going to respect van Gaal's autocratic version of football.
If he has a successful tenure here, he will go down in the 'S-Tier' of managers.
Sir Alex was a great manager. van Gaal is a great coach. both equally successful. Impossible to chose from.
Think back to Peps first season in Barcelona. Spain won Euro 2008 so their players joined the Barca pre season kind of late. Yet by the first game of the season he had transformed the team in the way they played. Those Barcelona players were coming of a bad season too, but they all bought in to Peps philosophy.
All down to how quick the guys can take in the training and apply it to games. It would be fascinating to see the Barcelona pre season games of that year.
Still those players were picked in their rightful position, toure at times, but filled in at CB, alves puyol pique xavi iniesta messi henry eto'o all played a balance system, they played in their rightful positions. No shafting eto'o to the left, no iniesta playing on the left even though he did fill in. But the point is, they all were mostly played where they were best suited and played has a team while playing in their best positions. Footballers can only go so far, keep playing them in positions that are not going to get the best out of them, they suffer and the team suffers
It's quite easy to choose as a United fan, to be honest.
Of course, it goes without saying. I feel it's the beginning of something special. I remember his Ajax days, he was a monster.
Me too. I haven't been this excited for pre-season games ever. The season in general really.
I agree, worth to note that Guardiola was the second team manager for Barcelona for a year though and of course knew every single first and second team player inside out as well as having played with plenty some of the first team players as well.
Regardless of that the pace in which he changed Barcelona was unbelievable.
You.Will.Not....
I think LVG will love Rooney and I think Rooney will both enjoy and benefit hugely from his coaching. He's everything LVG likes in a player.
I've just been reading through this thread from a Bayern forum on Van Gaal and it makes me a bit nervous 
http://www.bayernzone.com/discussions/44-louis-van-gaal-sacked-bayern-34.html
http://www.bayernzone.com/discussions/44-louis-van-gaal-sacked-bayern-34.html
Pep made tweaks to an already strong system. Barcelona might not have been coming off a great season but the squad was full of players who were very comfortable on the ball with tiki taka being the Barcelona way even then. Add to that the Spanish players winning the Euros and it changes a lot. I'm not belittling guardiola's coaching achievements and it's evident that his philosophy was one few others could have replicated in the given scenario in the manner he did, however, the squad he had was pretty much ideal IMO and ready for implementation of those ideas.
In our case, the job for van gaal is much much harder. He has to work with players who have almost been playing in a "unsystematic" system last season forget a system based on being comfortable on the ball. It's more like the change Rodgers made at Liverpool than Pep did at Bayern in that Rodgers had to always bring in a new football culture at his club. That's sort of what van gaal might just have to do. Our squad in recent times has been one of the poorest top clubs when it comes to playing technical football in tight spaces. And I can definitely see him taking a year to drill these things into them like Rodgers did.
The only thing that could hold Rooney back this season is that fact that as Fergie said, he doesn't take on new ideas and methods very easily and always reverts back to what he knows and what he is comfortable with. LvG is all about his philosophy and it's more important to him than individual players. Hopefully they will 'click' though as having Rooney at his best could be massively important. I have a feeling we might see him in midfield.
I also think Welbeck could be a key player under LvG. Despite all of the things people criticise him for, he has shown to be very tactically astute, and coupled with his pace it makes him a very useful asset. I wouldn't be against us playing something like this:
I also think Welbeck could be a key player under LvG. Despite all of the things people criticise him for, he has shown to be very tactically astute, and coupled with his pace it makes him a very useful asset. I wouldn't be against us playing something like this:
DDG
Rafael - Jones - Evans - Shaw
Cleverley - Rooney - Herrera
Mata
van Persie - Welbeck
Rafael - Jones - Evans - Shaw
Cleverley - Rooney - Herrera
Mata
van Persie - Welbeck
Don't know if this old interview has been posted before, but it is almost an addendum to his press conference. He explains in a lttle more detail, a lot of what he mentioned t'other day.
It's only my opinion, but I think he's changed from then. Plus at Bayern, the powerbrokers are very opinionated. At united, that might be different.I've just been reading through this thread from a Bayern forum on Van Gaal and it makes me a bit nervous
http://www.bayernzone.com/discussions/44-louis-van-gaal-sacked-bayern-34.html
They forced signings on him right front he start and so he refused to play them. He had a really good season but it was never going to work out given how much control of the club the board there has, and how much influence they have on day to day matters. Not the same case at United and that's why I think he'll be a perfect fit for us.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/english/jimmy-calderwood-backs-pal-louis-van-gaal-1-3390290
Jimmy Calderwood visitor his mate Louis Van Gaal early on in his Bayern tenure, while things weren't going well. He was copping flak for not playing Luca Toni, the powerbrokers at Bayern wanted him to sign a player from Stuttgart for €24m, but Van Gaal refused instead insisting on playing young Thomas Mueller. He was only 19, Van Gaal told Calderwood that Mueller will be a star. Later that season, Bayern won the Bundesliga, German cup and made the European cup final. Van Gaal was proven right on Mueller. Point is he won't have that level on interference at united.
Observer's Pail Wilson having his say. I thought he was a United fan...
http://www.theguardian.com/football...an-wrong-time-manchester-united-jose-mourinho
http://www.theguardian.com/football...an-wrong-time-manchester-united-jose-mourinho
That's a lot of words to say we should have got Jose last year. No shit.
I did actually want Mourinho last season to be honest and was never overly keen on Moyes but like everyone else got behind him. Now Van Gaal has the job I believe we have the right person and one could say the best palette cleanser. He just knows what he is doing and has managed some of the biggest clubs in the world. If he doesn't win the league this season I don't think there is any doubt we will get back into the champions league and next season we really have a great chance to be serious contenders. I'm just excited to see what he can do and hoping can lift even the fringe players. If not he won't be sentimental and will sell them if they don't perform. Even though we don't have Europe this year his reputation alone will attract some serious talent to the club. Plus we will be fresher that other squads who have mid week European games, that will be a massive advantage to us! Bring on the new season because I cannot wait!
Mourinho would have been my pick last summer but Van Gaal may be more suited to Manchester United than Mou.
Its possible that Mourinho would have delivered instant success, and perhaps enjoyed more success than Van Gaal will. Mourinho is a serial trophy winner, nobody can dispute that.
However, Van Gaal's teams have tended to play in a more Man Utd way than Mourinho's. I don't buy this argument that Mou's teams are terrible to watch, they usually have lightning pace on the counter and a directness that is difficult to defend against unless a side sits very deep. Still, in terms of passing and control Van Gaal's style is maybe a bit more us than Mourinho's. E.g. Van Gaal puts more value in having a proper number 8, rather than a bulldozer, in his midfield.
Also Van Gaal has a better record of bringing through young players than Mou. Again, its a lie to say Mou doesn't develop youngsters Varane, Oscar will testify to that. However, Mourinho tends to buy big on young potential not see what's already there and bring it out like Van Gaal did at Ajax, Barca and Bayern.
Sometimes things just work themselves out and that's what's happened with us and Van Gaal.
Mourinho would've been a good appointment after SAF retirement. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but how cool is it to have the guy who helped create Mourinho?.
Not only did he create Jose, he created Pep (at least played a part), Luis Enrrique and Frank De Boer.
Could add Danny Blind and Patrick Kluivert.
It's not really a case of hindsight though. A large portion of us said that Moyes was a mental appointment and it's fecking obvious we should have gone for Mourinho.
He's a managerial institution, just like the great SAF. Anyone who isn't excited needs to re-read the programme.
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