Hey, go easy on the aunt bit. I'm male.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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Hey, go easy on the aunt bit. I'm male.
Justice is subjective, but I'm approaching it from a position of consensus as far as the international community approaches it.
Justice would hence the mean the establishment of a just, Palestinian state encompassing pre-67 borders, with the cessation of the settlement programs and lifting the siege of Gaza being the first steps to facilitating this justice. I'd also wager that most Palestinians have accepted that Israel isn't going anywhere and will happily submit to this notion as being grounds for peace (Hamas included).
Precisely. This is why there will never be peace.
Hamas is only intent on the destruction of Israel and the Jews, they have said so many times. I strongly agree with the legitimised borders for the two state solution. It will finally put an end to the "illegal occupation" waffle and nobody can criticise Israel for military action if rockets are fired from Palestinian territory into Israel.
That's Hamas, not the entire Palestinian diaspora. I'd wager that Palestinians with an autonomous state will be less inclined to support the likes of Hamas now that they'll have more domestic issues to worry about. "Illegal occupation" isn't exactly waffle either since the WB is deemed to be occupied territory by the international community.
Any chance you have some Palestinian ancestry? Abbas is getting on a bit, and the position is up for grabs.
Afraid not, I have more Jewish ancestry than I do Palestinian.
The international community also deemed one of the two states, involved in any solution, Jewish.
Have they? I figured that was mostly the US's stance. Feel free to correct me though.
Same thing. I bet tons of Palestinians have Jewish ancestry too. Why won't you all convert back?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth...nd_the_palestinians/key_documents/1681322.stm
UN Partition Plan
The United Nations General Assembly decided in 1947 on the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be an internationalised city.
Jewish representatives in Palestine (the Jewish Agency) accepted the plan tactically - though with reluctance - because it implied international recognition for their aims of establishing a state, but on lesser territory than they considered a legal and historical right to.
The Palestinians and Arabs felt that it was a deep injustice to ignore the rights of the majority of the population of Palestine. The Arab League and Palestinian institutions rejected the partition plan, and formed volunteer armies that infiltrated into Palestine beginning in December of 1947.
Great, great grandmother was as a Baghdadi Jew, so my mother claims. Pretty sure I miss the citizenship quota but there you go.
Converting back doesn't alleviate the situation though
That's the UN partition plan draw up in 1947, what about existing stances of global states?
Pretty much the western world's stance in all fairness. Egypt and Jordan officially recognise Israel.
Egypt and Jordan haven't recognised it as a Jewish state, nor was it a term in their peace negotiations.
I guess that this demand is much more index-linked to the dramatic rise of Islamist claims - very much a secondary item in the pan Arab nationalist wars against Israel.
Peace with Jordan was in 1994, a good 30 years after the last Arab-Israeli war.
You wouldn't be posting here if you were really affected by the conflict. Poor Israelis, always the victims.
Victims on both sides.
I have no idea if one exists. Nevertheless, this may suggest that what the "international community" deem to be right or wrong changes with time which may also refer to the legal status of what you now refer to as "occupied territories". In fact, it did change as this term was not known between 1948-1967, when these areas were ocupied by Egypt and "Jordan".
A funny break for all you relentless bastards on here (not the old video).
Sums it up well, I think. For all the heated exchanges here, I think the world has largely given up on this tribal war in the ME .
Hmm, perhaps the only thing to do is to cause the decay of both religions.
How did England manage to turn itself into a nation of atheists?
I suggest music videos with naked women and sending them lots of heroine, it's working in the States.
How did England manage to turn itself into a nation of atheists?
I suggest music videos with naked women and sending them lots of heroine, it's working in the States.
90 seconds of my life I will never get back again. The author of the article deserves the Pulizter Prize though, that much is a given.
For all of you noble BDS activists out there
Make sure you watch that, just to make sure you really make Israel suffer
Make sure you watch that, just to make sure you really make Israel suffer
I was hoping the end the war, not end the bickering in this thread!
As a side note I have no idea what you're getting at.
For all of you noble BDS activists out there
Make sure you watch that, just to make sure you really make Israel suffer
That's a really silly video.
The Gaza Strip is 25 miles long and a few miles wide and houses 1.7 million people. Where is it exactly that the Hamas fighters should go so they're not accused of using human shields?
From a really silly poster. Although silly is definitely not a strong enough word to describe him.
Back in the tunnels which they built using all the world aid that has been given to them down the years perhaps?
From a really silly poster? Ooo diddums - Just because my posts don't fit into your superior world view and you start being a child, makes you rather silly no?
Factually accurate though. So no, not that silly.