I agree, variety is important. Ultimately, the use of a particular area of the pitch is to open up space in another part. Play wide for central space and play central for wide spaces, play deep for advanced spaces, etc. Tempo is always key to this, quickening and slowing the game at certain points help stem the predictability. I also love Van Gaal's philosophy of provocative pressing (to draw out park the bus teams) and his emphasis on maximising attacking moves at the beginning of the opposition's defensive phase.
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I agree, variety is important. Ultimately, the use of a particular area of the pitch is to open up space in another part. Play wide for central space and play central for wide spaces, play deep for advanced spaces, etc. Tempo is always key to this, quickening and slowing the game at certain points help stem the predictability. I also love Van Gaal's philosophy of provocative pressing (to draw out park the bus teams) and his emphasis on maximising attacking moves at the beginning of the opposition's defensive phase.
Hahaha.... that's what we like. ABU not liking our new manager. It's wonderful
I find it interesting how he has absolutely 0 regard for previous reputation.
So far he's had opportunity to single out and praise a few players but his response has always been "let's see how such and such does in my philosophy".
It's refreshing. The default for most new managers is to heap praise on star names like Rooney etc.
Van Gaal has made it all about his philosophy.
So far he's had opportunity to single out and praise a few players but his response has always been "let's see how such and such does in my philosophy".
It's refreshing. The default for most new managers is to heap praise on star names like Rooney etc.
Van Gaal has made it all about his philosophy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...wing-Liverpool-thrashing.html#v-3356839531001
If you liked Moyes I suppose you could call it team bonding, but as happened on here it was wrote off an amateurish and not being the leader the players could respect.
I think people are woefully underestimating the inherent personal qualities it takes to be a great manager. I don't think its something you just pick up by osmosis. You have to have it - or a predisposition to it - first. It's like saying:
"Well Keiron Richardson played with Giggs, Beckham and Ronaldo, obviously he'll pick up from them what to do and be a world class winger"
...It doesn't work like that. Football is littered with people who worked under great managers, took over and fecked it up.
I look at this team talk at 38:30 and think "Nope, he doesn't have it"...
Compare this to a Fergie team talk. At the beginning, and at 7.15 of this video.
Not just what he says, but the way he says it. His body language. The domineering, confident, inspiring charisma of the man. He's public speaking. He holds court. There's no shuffling or umming and aahring.
You can tell by the way Van Gaal speaks in press conferences what he's like in the dressing room. Mourinho too. They hold the attention. Even Jose's bloody Soccer Aid team talk was fascinating and inspiring to listen to.
People say he can be like Guardiola. Ok, look at Guardiola giving a team talk to Barca..
It's assertive and confident, not to mention tactically detailed. He's holding everyone's eye contact and power speaking.
Now go back to the Giggs one. And the tactical masterclass with Phil Neville at 27:00 in that Life Of Ryan vid. It's rubbish. It's like a man giving half remembered directions to the nearest service station.
We're not just asking Giggs to learn some tricks of the trade, but change as a person IMO. He might as well start going to Tony Robbins seminars.
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Hahah Moyes you legend, that's something I would do. I ain't no van Gaal proper charismatic. I bet the players had a great time humiliating Moyes even further. Didn't expect that from him tbh.
From BBC article about LVG complaining about tour schedule.
"Chris Smalling and Darren Fletcher were singled out when Van Gaal demanded to know why the pair had not looked at the ball during a shooting drill."
I thought Smalling were celebrating with Van Gaal because he scored the goal? A nothing story from me, but I swear from the video he was chuffed with Smalling AND Phil Jones.
"Chris Smalling and Darren Fletcher were singled out when Van Gaal demanded to know why the pair had not looked at the ball during a shooting drill."
I thought Smalling were celebrating with Van Gaal because he scored the goal? A nothing story from me, but I swear from the video he was chuffed with Smalling AND Phil Jones.
I also thought that he was pleased with them too! That's all we are going to get now in the papers rumours of discontent with LVG or the players. Load of rubbish I think!
Compare and contrast to Lou Carpenter here...AKA, Wee Jimmy
It's like you said in your previous post. The team needs to be a threat form all angles to make the use of width. An injection of quality in said position is a must imo. We lack severely in the WC department. Even if we don't add to the squad we'll still be much better than last season. I'm convinced of that.
@Mockney
I agree. Giggs has never struck me as the type to go on and be a successful PL manager, let alone be a successful Man United manager. I'd be disappointed if we gave the job to him having proved nothing on the managerial stage as of yet.
I agree. Giggs has never struck me as the type to go on and be a successful PL manager, let alone be a successful Man United manager. I'd be disappointed if we gave the job to him having proved nothing on the managerial stage as of yet.
@Mockney
I get what you are saying, but you are comparing someone still on the playing staff, with zero experience, to two ageing legends of the game.
A dead rubber of a match, after a gut-wrenching season, to adressing champions elect, in the dressing room.
Giggs may not be the most inspiring speaker at the moment, he has had little reason to have learnt it so far, but that is only a small part of the job.
Let's see how he looks in a few years.
I get what you are saying, but you are comparing someone still on the playing staff, with zero experience, to two ageing legends of the game.
A dead rubber of a match, after a gut-wrenching season, to adressing champions elect, in the dressing room.
Giggs may not be the most inspiring speaker at the moment, he has had little reason to have learnt it so far, but that is only a small part of the job.
Let's see how he looks in a few years.
@verminater Guardiola isn't ageing. Mourinho isn't either. (Well, technically everyone's ageing, obviously) And how many people do you know who suddenly changed their whole demeanour in their 40s?
Van Gaal was in his 40s when he managed Ajax, where he'd been an assistant prior. Here's him giving a talk to his players at 0:30. In training. The fact Seedorf's in that vid means it's prior to '95, making him somewhere between 40-44.
I don't think it is a small part of the job either. Quite the contrary, it's a big part of installing confidence in your players. Getting them to go into the depths of hell for you.
Yes unquestionably he can get better. But to be a truly top, World Class manager (of which there are few) you have to have something about you, which I don't see in Giggs
Van Gaal was in his 40s when he managed Ajax, where he'd been an assistant prior. Here's him giving a talk to his players at 0:30. In training. The fact Seedorf's in that vid means it's prior to '95, making him somewhere between 40-44.
I don't think it is a small part of the job either. Quite the contrary, it's a big part of installing confidence in your players. Getting them to go into the depths of hell for you.
Yes unquestionably he can get better. But to be a truly top, World Class manager (of which there are few) you have to have something about you, which I don't see in Giggs
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@Mockney has summed up my feelings perfectly.
I've never seen Giggs as a manager. I have a feeling he'd do quite badly. Personally think he'd be much more successful if he stuck to coaching.
I've never seen Giggs as a manager. I have a feeling he'd do quite badly. Personally think he'd be much more successful if he stuck to coaching.
I'd give him time to develop, and make the decision when it needs making. He must have incredible drive to have had the career he has had.
He now enters a time where that hunger has to be sated by proxy. Then we will see if he develops that.
He now enters a time where that hunger has to be sated by proxy. Then we will see if he develops that.
this is an extremely good post. a hall of fame post if there is such a thing.
Like you say it is not what he says, but also how he says it. The clarity in fergusons voice compared with giggs. Ferguson inspires. There is so much psychology involved. When i saw giggs and david moyes with their hands in their pockets, i said they dont stand a chance.
That's the main thing really. A coaching role behind the scenes would probably be more suitable to him.
Isn't Guardiola just 43 now and 38 when the Supercup video was made ? Hardly old or even middle aged by managerial terms.
If we could compare and contrast with SAF, Mourinho and Guardiola's first team talks then I'd consider it a fair comparison, I agree with the point to a degree but it was a unique situation to be put in and all mistakes were there to be highlighted given the presence of the cameras.
I think Mockney's post is spot on. It is not only a small part it is a big part. The players must have fear of the manager not just respect. Well obviously a lot of people at the club right now respect Giggs because they have experienced what he has done. But when new players come in, they might not even have the same respect for Giggs. Also if not fear the manager must have an interesting personality which inspires players.
And I swear to god that team talk in that first video, I swear I can give a better one. That was like presentation given by a stage shy student.
Compare and contrast to Lou Carpenter here...AKA, Wee Jimmy
Damn Fergie had lost his mind.
no way!
It's as if LVG is telling Giggs how open and liberal Amsterdam can be, but at the same time you have to be careful and not try to buy hard drugs just outside the railway station. He did it one time and got caught and as embarrassing as it was then he can see the funny side now.
or maybe LVG was imitating Schteve McLaren.
Couldn't agree more. Giggs doesn't have the presence to hold a room and own it and motivation is so important. I imagine 90% of successful management is down to communication and how you come across to players as players can tell in a very short space of time whether someone is up to it or not. I imagine our players worked out that Moyes wasn't up to it within a few weeks, honestly I do.
[QUOTE="Stobzilla, post: 16115378, member: 9858"]If we could compare and contrast with SAF, Mourinho and Guardiola's first team talks then I'd consider it a fair comparison, I agree with the point to a degree but it was a unique situation to be put in and all mistakes were there to be highlighted given the presence of the cameras.[/QUOTE]
We can really. They're all as inspiring as each other. The work that goes on the training pitch is paramount in our case. Team talks are just an excuse for lack of preparation. if you're prepared to do your job, you shouldn't need a teamtalk. Although in big game situations, that's needed sometimes also.
We can really. They're all as inspiring as each other. The work that goes on the training pitch is paramount in our case. Team talks are just an excuse for lack of preparation. if you're prepared to do your job, you shouldn't need a teamtalk. Although in big game situations, that's needed sometimes also.
The infamous Dubai trip tells us they didn't respect him
True though
Just look at the state of him in that gif....Wee f**king Jimmy
Yeah it's not great viewing
It looks like an 80-year old trying to play football with some kids in a park. "Ooh go on son see if you can get it past me, I used to play for... oh bugger my hips gone."To be fair, that Giggs team talk was given under exceptionally dull circumstances. The season was as good as over months ago and the man himself knew he was only a temporary fix. It was also not the final team talk given in the dressing room, which you would presume was a bit more energetic.
Is that @Lynk showing some love for anyone outside Keano and Welbeck?. I am impressed.
Great post about Giggs. May I add one thing: Giggs has had a legendary career but as a manager you have to gather respect on a human level too. Players and staff have to trust you. I'm not sure he'll get the trust of outsiders after what is openly hanging over his head regarding his personal life. Especially if he has a crack at a different club in a new environment out of his comfort zone.
The big smile on Rooney's face after getting van Gaal's appreciation there is good to see.
Fecking blocked me now. I was singing your praises then Lynk. It's your own doing.
Eh?
And first impressions are so important, it's very hard to turn a dressing room around that don't believe in the manager, almost impossible I'd say.
Does anyone have a link to the full open training session?
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