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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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Probably the closest I've seen. Thanks mate.
@Mockney Couldn't agree more with that post, especially that "tactical masterclass" with Phil Neville which was horrendous. I've seen better tactics being set by my self on FIFA 14 than in that room. The first time I watched that clip, I realized that none of them should be near a managerial position ever again
He's so bloody autocratic, despite what he says.
They just don't have 'it' do they, none of them. They can do as many coaches badges as they like, A license, UEFA badges and all that bollocks that is irrelevant if you have no personality and lack ability to communicate effectively you aren't going anywhere in football management. Alan Shearer is another good example, he'll never get another shot at management because it's clearly not for him.
No room for romance. How depressing and from a United fan too. And nowhere did I state it should be a driving factor but a factor it should be nonetheless. Noone knows this club, what it stands for, and what the fans want more than Ryan.
"A pretty big issue" now as opposed to automatically ending in disaster? What next? A minor concern?
I completely agree with this and @Mockney's and @Ole'sToePoke's comments on Giggs. I've said words to this effect several times before on this forum but I'm going to say it again. As a player, Giggs is one of the best to have ever played in English football. As a manager, he is nothing. In 3 years time - I still don't know where this 3 years is coming from - as a manager, he will still be nothing. Why? Because for the next 3 years he's going to be essentially a coach and not a manager. And I don't care how well he knows the club. That counts for almost nothing when it comes to being a manager.
The club would be taking a huge step backwards if Giggs was appointed manager in 3/4/5 years time. He needs to manage at a top tier division, either the Premier League or elsewhere in Europe, for at least 3-5 years before he should even be considered for the job. But I just don't think he's got what it takes to be a manager either now, or in 5-10 years time. Like Moyes he's just not got the strong personality required to manage at a top club. He should stick to coaching. I think he'll be quite good at that.
I think Rooney will do well under Van Gaal.
He already looks fit enough. He should have a good season if he keeps himself motivated. No doubt van Gaal will make sure of that!
I feel Nani can too. But looks like he isn't impressing.
Bobby Charlton knows this club inside out and he played under a great scottish manager as well. He still wasn't up to management though.
It seems like people are pushing Ryan Giggs as our next manager just because they love the sentiment of it all. I just don't see it in him.
I like LVG style a lot. Very commanding but seems also to be a positive, encouraging, inspiring person who creates a brilliant team spirit. Just can't wait for the season to start
I reckon the players are currently shit scared of him and not sure how to take him, he's so brash and bold and it'll be a huge culture shock to them after Moyes but maybe his assistants are more calm and create a good balance in training.
His English already seems less rusty. Nice to see.
Guys at fulltimedevils said our U18 team is using a 4-3-3 system since van Gaal took over. It could be an indication to what the first team will be using!
Giggs will not get the job, I can't imagine they'd take that kind of risk again. The manager is the single most important man at the club. He has to be world-class, like Fergie was, and like LVG is. I'd love to get Klopp next if we only get 3 years of the big bollocked Dutchman.
Without a doubt. Looking at how he behaved at his previous clubs he's possibly the most authoritarian top-level football manager in the world. Besides, since when do autocrats admit they are power-mad egomaniacs? They all claim to be democratic. 'EMPATHETIC human being'.
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I stated if he was up to it. Thats IF HE WAS UP TO IT. Plenty who know him think he has it in him and, if so, it's a wonderful prospect.
Clearly there's plenty who think there's no room for romance but hopefully we'll always have someone in the corridors of power at OT who does. We'll keep a vestige of our soul and our identity intact then.
I just wish Gary Neville would piss off and dunk his head in a vat of soup. Loved him as a player but can't stand him as a pundit, especially after he spent last season wittering on about giving Moyes time when it was clear that the man was out of his depth.
I like that he made the point about looking at the goalkeeper because though he called out to Rooney, Welbeck is more the player that needs to listen. Still think back to that chance vs Munich where he had an idea but didn't react to what the goalkeeper did. These are obvious things but really key and I'm hoping he can help Welbeck become a 25+ striker.
I think it's been made pretty clear that Giggs is being groomed to take over. It was part of the deal with LVG that Giggs would be on board precisely for this reason. Whether it's in 3 years or not is up for debate but Giggs is seen as a future United manager.
In the meantime loving the LVG vibe.
To be fair, that's a bit harsh. I think he's an excellent pundit. I really enjoy his insight. Many, if not all, of these former players must balance their bias against their need to be impartial. If Neville had slated Moyes, it would have caused a media uproar, and put him in a very precarious position with the club. Nobody can have expected him to take a bold stance at odds with the club, potentially ruining any future relationship he might have with the club, ambassadorial or otherwise. Only Roy Keane has taken a fairly aggressive stance against the club as a pundit (really more against SAF than the club) and even he was extremely supportive of Moyes.
Damn Fergie had lost his mind.
I don't think Fergie ever thought he would bring clowns like that here and thought Rene and co would be around to sort out Moyes. Wasn't to be.
@Mockney completely agree with every bit of your post.
We have come along way since Steve Rounds set pieces binder. Shudders to the thought of Moyes still being in charge.
Hearing rumours that we are gonna play 352, am I the only one not looking forward to that?
I still can't believe the club was ever placed in the hands of such incompetent amateurs, but I don't blame them as the club was solely to blame for putting them in that situation where they were clearly out of their depth.
@Mockney Great summary and it's exactly how I feel about Giggs and his managerial future. I just can't see it. It's not all about what you've done as a player for a club and how much respect you've earned.
That video where he gave the pre-match speech, is that real? Or is it staged for the documentary? Because it was soul destroying.
That video where he gave the pre-match speech, is that real? Or is it staged for the documentary? Because it was soul destroying.
Exactly, I hope that SAF clarifies in his upcoming revision to his autobiography that he we on serious meds that made him make decisions that he would surely never have made if he was lucid. Everyone, bar none, could understand such a choice for this position.
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I can't see Giggs as our manager either. As Mockney pointed out, he lacks that inspiration and assertiveness that other great managers have. IF he's ever considered for United, I hope he's been successful at another club first
You're right and I suppose it was politic for him to do so, but all that circling the wagons by United got on my tits a bit. As soon as April rolled up and we lost to Everton, the knives were out and all that had been said before was turned inside out. It wasn't just Neville though but he did seem to put the blinkers on and parrot the party line more than most.
Don't know about "pretty clear" but I know some in the club have dropped hints here and there. They also told Moyes he had a six-year contract, and he'd be given time and money to rebuild the team, again and again. F*ck-up after f*ck-up, he'd roll up to the press conference and say so in total earnest and total belief, with that stupid look on his face. They sacked him on Twitter ffs.
I'm not sure the story itself really adds up. What was part of the deal? To force Giggs on him? Who would they have given it to if he told them to do one? And after all, Van Gaal claims it was his same old idea of keeping one coach from the old set-up as he's done in every club he's gone into.
Fergie wants to see him take over - actually Fergie wanted him to take over last season. Hopefully it's just bollocks in the end.
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Damn...you've totally undone a few weeks of me trying to get used to the fact that the club are actively trying to promote Giggs as a United manager. Top post.
I'm already dreading Van Gaal's retirement.
To people who are defending Giggs' team talk and saying it's a dead rubber game, I thought, after years of watching him give interviews that it was a typical Giggs speaking performance. He's always got that rather muted and ponderous way of speaking.
Damn...you've totally undone a few weeks of me trying to get used to the fact that the club are actively trying to promote Giggs as a United manager. Top post.
I'm already dreading Van Gaal's retirement.
To people who are defending Giggs' team talk and saying it's a dead rubber game, I thought, after years of watching him give interviews that it was a typical Giggs speaking performance. He's always got that rather muted and ponderous way of speaking.
This is not a direct reply to you Ole
Moyes said similar about a clean start, and questioned players like Shinji/Hernandez, plus he implemented new techniques to make the players fitter. Yes it was a disaster! but it is strange to me how we have all been swept up with the feel good LVG vide.
The season will be tough and i hope everyone remembers that after a few bad results on the bounce.
I'm confident that the club won't make another manager appointment without due diligence.
They've seen the after effects of a disaster and they wont do it again. Besides what's to say that Giggsy won't improve his skills whilst working under LvG.
They've seen the after effects of a disaster and they wont do it again. Besides what's to say that Giggsy won't improve his skills whilst working under LvG.
I reckon Van Gaal will do 3 years and then we'll bring in someone like De Boer. Just can't ever see Giggsy getting the gig long term.
Let him start first you cnuts. You are making plans for three years ahead and we arent sure if he will stay 3 months. Time to set smaller goals with regards to managers.
You are not an optimist, eh! LvG is not Moyes. He is confident and one who has the track record. Moyes on the other hand, has a track record of being mediocre. He had let all of us down, the club, Sir Alex who thought he would be learning.
LvG will learn quickly because he's not born yesterday and he has ambition and quality.
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There might also be the chance of Klopp joining then, his contract has one year left by then, I think. It's what I would prefer.
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