He's not even managed a game yet! Why are we discussing his successor?
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Get a grip lads, he's been here a few months and you're already fretting about his retirement? Concentrate on the here and now ffs.
Because some people are just stupid.
LVG will be 65 when his contract expires. If he gets us back to success, has the desire and hunger to carry on then I really hope he goes on. I'm sure he'll want to have another crack at the Champions League and in his "project" if all goes well we should be set for serious challenges in the future. Also adds some stability to the club because we'd have to start again with a new manager. LVG is the type of manager like Ferguson and Wenger who not only leave a short term impact on the club but their legacy carries through.
Don't want to make this a Moyes bashfest but Moyes took every opportunity to praise the "big names" like Rooney and RVP. Even when at times they didn't deserve it. He was far too scared of taking on the big players.
Meanwhile he criticized others like Welbeck in public (despite coming off a good scoring streak where he lead the line) and admitted to not knowing about half the side when he joined (They say he's a good player).
Van Gaal has said that he knows about all the players and everyone has an equal opportunity to show what they can do in his system. Be it an established name like Rooney or someone else.
Plenty of room for romance - no room for delusional fanaticism.
I love Giggs and all but that team talk was absolutely awful. I wouldn't even call it a team talk. Last game of the season, lets give our fans something to be happy about x2...
I think its stupid to talk about giving giggs the managerial post in 3 or 4 years or whatever. LVG is here know, he's a winner and I already like what he is doing. Lets not give him any limits how much he will be here, he is here and lets enjoy it. I like his no nonsense style in pressers, giving high fives to Jones for a goal, hugging Rooney after a good corner, talking to him about taking a shot and so on..
Weather Giggs will be up to task in the future is yet to be seen but from that documentary it seems he doesnt have it in him. I mean that tactics talk was like me changing my squad in PES. Hmmmm I like Valencia's position, I'm gonna move him to the right side.
I think its stupid to talk about giving giggs the managerial post in 3 or 4 years or whatever. LVG is here know, he's a winner and I already like what he is doing. Lets not give him any limits how much he will be here, he is here and lets enjoy it. I like his no nonsense style in pressers, giving high fives to Jones for a goal, hugging Rooney after a good corner, talking to him about taking a shot and so on..
Weather Giggs will be up to task in the future is yet to be seen but from that documentary it seems he doesnt have it in him. I mean that tactics talk was like me changing my squad in PES. Hmmmm I like Valencia's position, I'm gonna move him to the right side.
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He's far too opinionated when it comes to United in my opinion. Great player, and I also love him as a pundit. When it comes to United analysis I just tend to ignore him. It became very clear he wasn't in favour of someone like van Gaal taking over. Which is complete nonsense when you think of the benefits behind such an appointment. Can't wait for people like him to eat their words. Maybe he might learn a thing or two under van Gaal's stewardship. Or maybe he'll just be a debate raising pundit just like Jamie Flemighar.
Genuinely excited about how he'll develop Adnan. Think he'll spend a lot of time on him.
Guys sorry for posting here, but for some reason i cannot make new threads or anything anymore so theres no place for me to ask.
But did something change on red cafe? Because the "create topic" button is gone for me.
But did something change on red cafe? Because the "create topic" button is gone for me.
Last season I got a bit stressed at the club / Players / Management for not having the guts to make BIG changes in style/players and philosophy. I got irritated at times and sometimes even contimplated not watching the game because I knew it would be bad. The feel good factor is back with clips like this, intense skilled drills, with praise and wrath for bad plays. I cannot wait for this season!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rts-training-LA-dishes-praise-high-fives.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rts-training-LA-dishes-praise-high-fives.html
Bottom right corner.
I don't know if this has been posted already, apologies if it has. Incredible how it sounds so like Morrissey 
Not sure if it has been posted but sounds good! Here LVG talks about his Coaching Staff etc
"Q. Could you tell us a bit more about your coaching staff, they are obviously new to the club, how are they getting on, can you tell us a bit more about them?
LVG: “First of all, is my assistant manager Ryan Giggs and I’m very pleased with him. I talked with him before I have to sign. Ok, then your first impression is very important and that was already good, but now the impression is still improving because I know him better. I see that also, he is working very hard, and all my assistants are working very hard. Because that for me is very important that you don’t have a job from 9-5. You have to work very hard when you’re assistant of me – it’s not always a pleasant job. But he’s doing well, very well and I’m very happy he’s on my staff.”
Q. Is it important you’ve got someone like him obviously a history of the club?
LVG: “I’m used to picking always one staff member from the last staff of the club because I want to know the culture and he can advise me. I want to know the players and he can advise me. And want to know the talent of the youth players and he can advise me. That’s why I always picking up trainer-coaches of the last season; and in Barcelona I did that with Jose Mourinho, at Bayern I did it with Hermann Gerland and now it’s Ryan Giggs. Therefore, I’m very pleased because he knows everybody, he knows the culture better than who are working now at Manchester United, I believe, so I’m very pleased that he is in my staff.”
Q> How important are the staff that you have bought to the club that you have worked with for a long time?
LVG: “Staff is more important than the players, I can tell you. It’s unfortunate thing that I say that for the players but you have to implement a philosophy and therefore you need staff, and you need the staff who you can give me the confidence that they’re doing the things what I require so I’m working for example with Frans Hoek, already more than 20 years he is my coach goalkeepers coach and a goalkeeper for me is an 11th player, so then your goalkeepers coach has to say the same, and the same philosophy so it’s very important and yeah he worked with me in Ajax, in Barcelona, in Munich and now in Manchester and I think it’s good that he is my coach for the goalkeepers.
Then I worked with Albert Stuivenberg now only one year, only one year, and that is particular for me because normal always coaches where I am, have a longstanding relationship with, but he has so much talent this boy, I picked him up in the Dutch federation, he was my coach for the under 21s, and I (can’t hear) as my scout in the World Championship and he did a remarkable job and that’s why I want to reward him to be my assistant here as a coach. And he gave already a fantastic impression for me, but also for the players, and that’s much more important I think, but only one year I know him. Marcel Bout, he shall scout the future opponent, with him I work since AK, I don’t know if the fans shall know AZ, but with that minor club I was also the Champions of the Netherlands but Marcel shall scout the opponents and is working since the time I worked in AZ in 2006.
Then I have, the fitness logic, Jos van Dijk, he write my programmes, he is also working since AZ for me, so we have a very good relationship and it’s very important to write the programmes that the trainer has to do, and it has to be always progressive because it’s very important that your players are not injured because of the preparation so ’til now we are doing great but only three days.”
Q. So Louis, we’ve been through the backroom staff, there are a few more to come still, a few more than you missed out?
LVG: “Yeah, I have forgotten my computer guru, it’s unbelievable because he’s not only my computer guru, he’s also hardly my son, but he’s not called Van Gaal he’s called Max Reckers, and he collects all the data that we need, and we have a lot of date because in Manchester United, already there was a philosophy, that you have to measure everything and it’s called the sports science department, unbelievable, what kind of data they have and I’m also very pleased that that kind of support is already arranged in Manchester and they have supported us very good, not only sports and science department but also the medical department, the kitmen, it is unbelievable what organisation you have to make for such a big group as such a big club.”
Q. Have you learnt all the names?
LVG: “It’s very difficult but I’m learning still but for my staff in my environment I know all the names.”"
"Q. Could you tell us a bit more about your coaching staff, they are obviously new to the club, how are they getting on, can you tell us a bit more about them?
LVG: “First of all, is my assistant manager Ryan Giggs and I’m very pleased with him. I talked with him before I have to sign. Ok, then your first impression is very important and that was already good, but now the impression is still improving because I know him better. I see that also, he is working very hard, and all my assistants are working very hard. Because that for me is very important that you don’t have a job from 9-5. You have to work very hard when you’re assistant of me – it’s not always a pleasant job. But he’s doing well, very well and I’m very happy he’s on my staff.”
Q. Is it important you’ve got someone like him obviously a history of the club?
LVG: “I’m used to picking always one staff member from the last staff of the club because I want to know the culture and he can advise me. I want to know the players and he can advise me. And want to know the talent of the youth players and he can advise me. That’s why I always picking up trainer-coaches of the last season; and in Barcelona I did that with Jose Mourinho, at Bayern I did it with Hermann Gerland and now it’s Ryan Giggs. Therefore, I’m very pleased because he knows everybody, he knows the culture better than who are working now at Manchester United, I believe, so I’m very pleased that he is in my staff.”
Q> How important are the staff that you have bought to the club that you have worked with for a long time?
LVG: “Staff is more important than the players, I can tell you. It’s unfortunate thing that I say that for the players but you have to implement a philosophy and therefore you need staff, and you need the staff who you can give me the confidence that they’re doing the things what I require so I’m working for example with Frans Hoek, already more than 20 years he is my coach goalkeepers coach and a goalkeeper for me is an 11th player, so then your goalkeepers coach has to say the same, and the same philosophy so it’s very important and yeah he worked with me in Ajax, in Barcelona, in Munich and now in Manchester and I think it’s good that he is my coach for the goalkeepers.
Then I worked with Albert Stuivenberg now only one year, only one year, and that is particular for me because normal always coaches where I am, have a longstanding relationship with, but he has so much talent this boy, I picked him up in the Dutch federation, he was my coach for the under 21s, and I (can’t hear) as my scout in the World Championship and he did a remarkable job and that’s why I want to reward him to be my assistant here as a coach. And he gave already a fantastic impression for me, but also for the players, and that’s much more important I think, but only one year I know him. Marcel Bout, he shall scout the future opponent, with him I work since AK, I don’t know if the fans shall know AZ, but with that minor club I was also the Champions of the Netherlands but Marcel shall scout the opponents and is working since the time I worked in AZ in 2006.
Then I have, the fitness logic, Jos van Dijk, he write my programmes, he is also working since AZ for me, so we have a very good relationship and it’s very important to write the programmes that the trainer has to do, and it has to be always progressive because it’s very important that your players are not injured because of the preparation so ’til now we are doing great but only three days.”
Q. So Louis, we’ve been through the backroom staff, there are a few more to come still, a few more than you missed out?
LVG: “Yeah, I have forgotten my computer guru, it’s unbelievable because he’s not only my computer guru, he’s also hardly my son, but he’s not called Van Gaal he’s called Max Reckers, and he collects all the data that we need, and we have a lot of date because in Manchester United, already there was a philosophy, that you have to measure everything and it’s called the sports science department, unbelievable, what kind of data they have and I’m also very pleased that that kind of support is already arranged in Manchester and they have supported us very good, not only sports and science department but also the medical department, the kitmen, it is unbelievable what organisation you have to make for such a big group as such a big club.”
Q. Have you learnt all the names?
LVG: “It’s very difficult but I’m learning still but for my staff in my environment I know all the names.”"
Yeah, the title is misleading.
Great post.
What a genius!
You're going to have every little interaction between LVG and Wayne scrutinised now with the media desperate to push a narrative of them clashing. Sad and predictable.
Sorry but most of this post is unfounded and totally unfair, in other words it's full of shit. Giggs may come across as 'flat' to you but you have no idea, none whatsoever, on how he approaches his continuing coaching education. Giggs has been getting his levels over the last few seasons, while performing duty as a player as well. In June of last year he cut his holiday short before pre-season to get his UEFA pro license. If anything Guardiola comes across as a dull personality to me, so the coaching ability itself has nothing to do with that aspect.
If you think Guardiola is a flatter personality than Giggs you haven't seen nearly enough of Guardiola. Watch a team talk or a press conference. He's got a monotonous English speaking voice, but he's clearly smart. He's also assertive, strong, opinionated and communicative. Lots of things Giggs, for all his good points, doesn't come across as. This idea that he only needs to learn a few badges and study LVG and he's ready to manage Manchester United (MANCHESTER UNITED!) is hugely flawed IMO. Just as the idea that he'll suddenly grow a more outgoing alpha personality at 40+
When the Benfica president hired Jose Mourinho for his first managers job, he did it after meeting him for 5 minutes, commenting that he was a "different, unique personality" Despite having no managerial experience at all. Andre Villas Boas studied under Mourinho. Knows nearly everything he does. Compiled his stats and tactical breakdowns for him at Porto and Chelsea. Why isn't he as good as Jose Mourinho? It's not because he doesn't have the right badges. It's largely because he's not Jose Mourinho.
When the Benfica president hired Jose Mourinho for his first managers job, he did it after meeting him for 5 minutes, commenting that he was a "different, unique personality" Despite having no managerial experience at all. Andre Villas Boas studied under Mourinho. Knows nearly everything he does. Compiled his stats and tactical breakdowns for him at Porto and Chelsea. Why isn't he as good as Jose Mourinho? It's not because he doesn't have the right badges. It's largely because he's not Jose Mourinho.
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According to Zlatan Ibrahimovic Pep is a great manager - but barely a man. In fact, he claims Pep ain't a man at all. A pussy - pardon my French.
Yeah, yeah - I know. I just found some "hilarious" (some of them are decent-ish, actually) Zlatan quotes and I wanted an in - as they say. I want an inn, actually - but I'll settle for an in, here and now.
Coat grabbed, fecking off, don't intend to be back.
Some fans probably feel disheartened listening or reading things that may decimate that ideal scenario in their head, and it does with me sometimes. After SAF left I began to judge players on their individual merits, not to mention the class of 92. In my opinion they have to prove they've evolved enough in the modern game, not just the "United way" to really make their mark at this club. The club needs them more than ever, but they have to go out and be relentless when it comes to understanding the game.
Zlatan on Pep. Hehe. I kind of like Zlatan, I must say. I don't dislike Pep, before you accuse me of doing so - I don't at all. But I can easily imagine that many managers out there get into both pseudo philosopher mode (Brenton, anyone?) and pure, hackneyed Rockne mode - in the dressing room.
I think we're lucky, all things said and done, that we don't get to hear the bollocks they spout at half time.
doh thanks, weird i can't remember that it was there at all . guess it changed
It is a good thing that LVG didn't say he wanted them cut out completely then isn't it ?
Damn it would be great if LVG managed to actually axe the feckin' pre-season tours. That would be a remarkable achievement, actually.
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I suggest you read Mockney's post then with the videos of their respective motivational abilities. Giggs personality has always projected the dull and rather flat person he shows in that video. It's not even a question of being rousing and charismatic, he's spitting out platitudes like a sofa pundit on a saturday morning.. to a team of professionals. It's very poor stuff.
Jones didn't seem too interested in what he had to say.
He was an interim! It's premature to talk about how his team talk would be like in the future.
He is like messi in the world cup final, he doesn't need a team-talk
.He's trying to prove himself under a new coach. What do you want him to do, kiss him on the cheek?. If anything it shows Jones has a steely determination to do well.
No, it's premature to assume he is able for the job.
All Giggs talk is premature, lets just enjoy van Gaal!
Can't read anything into that. Phil Jones doesn't need anybody, whether they have a fancy Dutch (or Welsh) name or not, to instruct him. He knows. Everything. He's just playing along, trying to make these so-called coaches appear more or less competent. It's the sort of thing Jesus did when he interacted with mortals - you know, keeping up the illusion that he ain't the Messiah, that sort of thing.
There's a video further down that page of Van Gaal bollocking his players, nuremberg style, at not a dissimilar age in his first job. In that video of Guardiola he's younger than Giggs, a year and a bit into his tenure. Mourinho was hired for his first job after meeting the club President for 5 minutes despite having no experience because he was so impressive. These are just what these people are like. It's part of their personality. They're natural managers in the way Giggs was a natural player.
And if that's not what Giggs is like, and he switched off consciously and thought "well feck it, I'm not going to be the manager next year so who cares what I say, I'm just an interim" then he's most definitely, absolutely, unquestionably not cut out to be a Manchester United manager. Being an interim didn't stop Rafa Benitez from winning Chelsea the Europa League. Because he's a manager.
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