You know about Gary Neville's attitudes as to how he feels united should play.Neville getting a pasting for things he hasn't said.
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Neville getting a pasting for things he hasn't said.
He let himself down last year. For a long time he was capable of great analysis for other teams, commending their formations and tactics and then went into some sort of mental denial mode when it came to United.
I think in an attempt to appear objective, he perhaps went too far.
Neville getting a pasting for things he hasn't said.
Sir Alex, Giggs, Neville and Scholes have all taken a lot of criticism on the Caf in the past one year for some reason.
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Goodness sake, nobody is above criticism.
Criticizing someone for things they *might* say seems a little excessive.
Your problem, not mine!
That's fair enough. However, over the last six months or so, I feel the criticisms of Neville and Sir Alex has been fair enough.
Thanks, Sherlock.
But the criticism for Giggs and Scholes has been borderline retarded. Neville's only fault was that he supported Moyes(disregarding the fact that he always supports the manager and say they need more time) and Fergie for selecting Moyes as his successor-which was a bad decision but the criticism has been excessive.
He's superior in every aspect to Moyes. He's a much better human being.
Neville deserves to be criticized because he was wrong about everything in regards to United last season. When Carragher speaks more sense about the state of the club, you need to take a good hard look at yourself.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he had a moan about "United always playing with wingers" the first time we have a poor performance.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he had a moan about "United always playing with wingers" the first time we have a poor performance.
That's true though, he was too extreme in his view I thought. And this "it's the United way" got on my nerves when everyone could see it's just not working and never will
Huh? Did you watch the United/Liverpool game? Nev was co-commentator on that one and ripped into our approach from the first few minutes.
Yeah but he ripped into us completely, as in, our lineup, tactics, lack of guile, you know, things that the manager is in charge of, and then I recall him saying "I don't blame the manager for this, I blame the players". It was ridiculous.
You mean try and make it hard for them.We will see about that when Newcastle come to town and how hard we make it for them
Ofcourse.. *shudders*
That's cause there is an over abundance of caftards who always know what should of been done or what would of worked , after something fails....
They have the gift of hindsight and they aren't afraid to act as though this gift proves they know what they are talking about.
I agree there! He should just stick to being completely biased!
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It kind of annoyed me with his view on Mata. He said he wasn't his view of a United player, even with De Gea his overly harsh on him.
He mentioned that we have four number tens .Always thought we were over staffed in this position,could we see the departure of one of the four.
But you're only backing up my point by bringing up that game. We played this team that day:
De Gea
Rafael Jones Vidic Evra
Fellaini Carrick
Mata Rooney Januzaj
van Persie
And before the game had even started he was bemoaning us having no real wingers or pace in the side and he only continued that narrative throughout the game and after the game you could see he felt very justified by the results.Rafael Jones Vidic Evra
Fellaini Carrick
Mata Rooney Januzaj
van Persie
The 4th Number 10 has been open to speculation with Januzaj being the obvious one however I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even consider Fellaini a midfielder and will sell him as out weakest #10.
Damn. Couldn't stay up for the game last night, can someone briefly fill me in? I know the score, but who played well, formation etc?
3-4-1-2/ 5-2-1-2/ Holland World Cup formation.
Starting XI :
De Gea Smalling Jones Evans Valencia Fletcher Herrera Shaw Mata Welbeck Rooney
Second Half XI :
Lindegaard M Keane Fletcher Blackett Rafael Cleverley Herrera James Kagawa Nani Young.
Ander played the full match and ran the show from midfield, Fletcher anchored well. Rooney, Young and James scored two goals apiece; Welbeck with a lone strike.
So you agree he was blatantly critical of the formation and tactics we used in that game?
Only the post you quoted was me responding to your accusation that he commended the formation and tactics of other teams but went into "mental denial" when it came to United.
I think it's just wishful thinking on our part. If Van Gaal said we had too many fullbacks and needed to sell one, we'd still try and pretend he was talking about Fellaini. Kagawa is the obvious casualty in all this.
Sounds like he wants to balance the squad by selling a 10, prob Kagawa, and buying a centre back, one or 2 of the V's I'd imagine, Vermaelen, Vrij or Vlaar.
Unfortunately yes. But I doubt van gaal has plans for fellaini anyway.
Thanks! Great start to the tour on all accounts it seems then. I mean it must be if Young managed to score 2 goals
Sadly, I can see Kagawa being sold. Good player, but he's just not strong enough mentally or aggressive enough on the pitch to make it in this league, or under LVG for that matter.
You've missed the context of that point.
To expand on it I was saying that he was fully capable of commending the likes of Wigan for playing a 3-5-2 and he would commend City's 4-2-3-1 yet whenever United experimented and looked to move away from wingers he'd act like someone had just suggested taking away stationary in primary schools and replacing it with hand guns. I wasn't saying he would refuse to criticise United full stop. Quite the opposite, he is set in his ways and beliefs about what United should be and anything that doesn't fall in line with that he finds a way to criticise.
I'll let go of the hope that LVG taking 4 goal keepers on tour might mean something regarding Fellaini then....
Well that's a different accusation entirely. He's obviously a fan of playing with wingers and not so keen on the more narrow formations.
I don't agree with the idea that this was only as it applied to United, as I remember him getting all giddy when Robben and Ribery tore Barca a new one, as he seemed to think this was a victory for the style of football he favours.
It's possible to play well using different formations so when other teams look good playing without wingers it would be remiss of him not to give credit when it's due. When United play poorly using those same formations, what's wrong with being critical of their approach? Obviously, being Gary Neville, he ended up talking about United more than most but I think his opinion was consistent and valid. Be interesting to find out if he's a fan of this 352 thingy but I think people are being very unfair on him for simply having a preferred style of football. Especially when it's completely in line with the traditions that brought United so much success over the years.
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