I agree with you that accomplishments made in the SPL might not be much of importance for the English clubs, but I was thinking more in terms of Deilas development. He gets to see the ins and outs at a big club, getting to know the culture of football in England, he'll be able to expand his personal network, experience the pressure of managing the biggest club in the country, probably be successfull and thus given more time and less pressure than he would get for any English club.
Celtic Appoint Ronny Deila As New Manager
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Thats my point mate
In O'Neill's case it's a bit more nuanced than that. O'Neill's stock was very high in the early 2000s, particularly after the UEFA Cup run. But it fizzled out for him at Celtic and with the time he had to take out, his reputation fell from "a potential top four manager" to the next tier below. There was also the issue with his style of football which wasn't always the easiest on the eye.
The important thing - and it goes for the players in the SPL as well - is performing well in Europe. We all knew the likes of Larsson and Van Bronckhorst would have no troubles abroad given their excellence on the continent. Whereas other players and managers who didn't also do the business in Europe have struggled in England. It's the same with Lennon. He had one good season in Europe set against three poor campaigns. Importantly though with the near-guarantee of European football, it's a case if you're good enough, you'll get the opportunity to showcase your talents to the bigger fish.
How bad are things in Scotland when Celtic can't hire anyone we have heard of?
Its Celtic and its the SPL. So everything is irrelevant.
Deila, Layla, great names
Did he get the job?
He said something like "I don't understand why Celtic needs to go through qualification rounds, as club has been playing good in CL for so many years". Now he looks a complete tosser.
Celtic just lost to Legia away 4-1. I don't think they will recover in Scotland.
Celtic just lost to Legia away 4-1. I don't think they will recover in Scotland.
They would probably struggle in the Championship I think so this is no surprise to me, they are a poor side. Kris Commons is their best player and he's an average Championship player in reality.
4-1.They were down to 10 men. But it doesn't look good...
Maybe Keane was right.
Yikes...
These results are inevitable when you have a board like Celtic's. They're content to try and do the absolute minimum to get into the Champions League. Selling players like Wanyama and Hooper and replacing them with players only good enough for the league.
Always wanted Moyes to go there. Hopefully he will and become successful there. Or, revives Rangers?
So? They did not start that way, their player was sent off for probably something he should not have done.
Well, nobody starts a game with a redcard. I'm going to walk away slowly now.
What i meant is that this red card was of their own doing, its part of the game, same as goals. It's not as they say a "force majeure". Now if their squad have been down with flue or some bug just day before the game, that would have been unfortunate and you could have argued that they deserved better. But red card is not an excuse in any way.
I thought Celtic's attacking options were diabolical during the early 90s (Wayne Biggins, Andy Paton, Willie Falconer, Tony Cascarino, Stuart Slater etc) but their current group of strikers might be even poorer than that.
Before RD took over from Lennon I'd read that it wasn't unusual for his teams to be sustain heavy defeats owing to his emphasis on attacking. I believe the team he managed in Norway suffered a tanking at the hands of one of the Moscow teams earlier this year (19-0 or something).
Before RD took over from Lennon I'd read that it wasn't unusual for his teams to be sustain heavy defeats owing to his emphasis on attacking. I believe the team he managed in Norway suffered a tanking at the hands of one of the Moscow teams earlier this year (19-0 or something).
You should really look up the circumstances around that match, it's hardly representative of anything. I can't remember the specifics but if I'm not absolutely way off, I think the physio and assistants played in that match.
Anyways, I've had a feeling that this won't end well for Deila, as it tends to go for Norwegian managers moving abroad. I can't see them cocking up the league, but if they can't overcome the deficit against Henning Berg's boys the season is pretty much a fiasco already. Rough start.
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Thanks for letting me know the circumstances surrounding the game. I hadn't realised that it was treated like something less than your normal friendly game.
Do you follow Norwegian football? Is it accurate to say that he places a strong emphasis on attacking, direct football? I've seen some Celtic supporters express concern about how they've defended in the small number of games under Deila.
I don't know how accurate this is but I had heard that some of the domestic first-team players are finding it difficult to adjust to their new diets and eating arrangements under the management team of Deila and John Collins.
Do you follow Norwegian football? Is it accurate to say that he places a strong emphasis on attacking, direct football? I've seen some Celtic supporters express concern about how they've defended in the small number of games under Deila.
I don't know how accurate this is but I had heard that some of the domestic first-team players are finding it difficult to adjust to their new diets and eating arrangements under the management team of Deila and John Collins.
I was hoping Pats would beat Warsaw and set up a tie with Celtic. Thought they'd probably have a good chance of beating them if they played.
Isn't it set up for another one of those Celtic comebacks at home?
Although it won't be at Celtic park.
I'm not entirely sure what is going on at Celtic, transfer wise. They've surely brought in a lot of money with the likes of Wanyama, Hooper etc being sold, but all they've done is bring in loan signings.
Although it won't be at Celtic park.
I'm not entirely sure what is going on at Celtic, transfer wise. They've surely brought in a lot of money with the likes of Wanyama, Hooper etc being sold, but all they've done is bring in loan signings.
I never thought of you as Norwegian
Henning Berg...poor lad.
Did Celtic and Warsaw play a leg already?
Yeah Warsaw won 4-1 at home. They even had time to miss two penalties.
Well, I assume that it will take quite some effort to recover from that, and also to NOT win the SPL, so as long as he manage to continue the Celtic dominance, at least in SPL he should be relatively safe. I do agree that it might have been a small gamble to employ him in a massively larger club and company than Strømsgodset, but he might become a hit, at least, as previously mentioned he has a very clear philosophy and strategies.
Legia were by far the better team even before the red card. Vrdoljak missed two penalties as well - should have never taken the second one IMO plus they had 3 or 4 perfect chances beside the goals. All in all well deserved 4-1 victory for Legia, I think they should be able not to lose 3-0 away from home and set up another 4th qualification round tie. Last year they went out to Steaua on away goals, hopefully this year they will have enough about them to make it into Champions League - we haven't had a team in the group stages since 1997!
As much as I love Deila, being successfull in the SPL wont save his job, as it is what's demanded of him. If, however, he's able to play his brand of attacking, exciting football as well as winning the cup, then he might get one more season to get into the CL. If not, he's as good as gone.
Saying that, if anyone is able to throw away a 4-1 lead, it's most definitly Henning Berg
You're right, that might be the harsh reality and demands that he has to live up to.
This next leg might set into motion a chain of event that could cost either the job, as a worst case scenario of course.Saying that, if anyone is able to throw away a 4-1 lead, it's most definitly Henning Berg
Celtic board could do better for that club than they are. Parkhead is full every home game ffs
I heard they're a better team away from home?
They were very good away from home last season indeed and look more relaxed than in Warsaw. They did better against Steaua in Bucharest than Warsaw too and their only Europa League win came in Limassol. I wouldn't say there's much difference though, they are very inconsistent and were basically a big let down in Europa League last season winning only 1 of the 6 games and losing the rest. It's definitely not the strongest Polish team we have put out there in CL qualifiers in the last decade as proven by a 1-1 home draw to St Patrick's in previous round, Celtic win was their most impressive European display in a while. They started this season poorly with a home loss to Bełchatów but have picked up since that low point.
I don't think they will concede 3 to his Celtic side though. Likewise I don't think Celtic will keep a clean sheet. If they play their best game they'll probably win, if they play poorly they'll lose but it won't be a a 3-0 - more like 2-1, 1-0 etc. If they play the same way they played against Bełchatów and St Patrick's it'll be 5-0 to Celtic. I doubt they will though.
Nailed it, Ronny.
Comes off as a major idiot there.
6-1. I'd laugh but this is just another nail in the coffin for the Scottish league.
How the hell did he get the job?
As much as I hate Celtic, he's actually got an unfair job. The board refuse to invest money from sales or Europe. They get 50k at home games yet spend very little money really. Strong rumours of discontent with some senior players. It's got the makings of a Moyes situation. Ideal for them would be to ship off the shite and invest in some 20-25 year olds.
Feel sorry for Celtic in a way.....
A vast majority of ex Celtic players and "legends" are of the belief that he got the job on the basis that he is a yes man and the board can do as they want without someone hassling them.
Lennon left due to the fact he was not been giving funds.
Keane refused the job as they wouldn't give him funds and let him pick his own staff.
Moyes refused the job because he's world class and deserves to be managing a team in the CL every year (According to him)
A vast majority of ex Celtic players and "legends" are of the belief that he got the job on the basis that he is a yes man and the board can do as they want without someone hassling them.
Lennon left due to the fact he was not been giving funds.
Keane refused the job as they wouldn't give him funds and let him pick his own staff.
Moyes refused the job because he's world class and deserves to be managing a team in the CL every year (According to him)