It doesn't matter if they knew or not though. They played a player who was suspended. You can't serve a suspension for games you aren't registered for. There's no excuse for a club not knowing that. I haven't seen you criticise Legia Warsaw once. It is their fault.
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Of course I have. They were extremely daft not to be aware of that and it was very unprofessional. People who are responsible for this should definitely be sacked and they will be because they clearly aren't very good at their jobs.
It doesn't change the fact that the punishment is not fitting the crime here and I am quite sure no one would find it remotely fair if it concerned United and not some random Polish team. What happens on the pitch should be more important than what goes on in club's paperwork and so long as you don't blatantly cheat to achieve an advantage financial fine and potentially something more but not to an extent of a walkover should be enough.
I will say it again - just use some common sense in these cases. Have Legia achieved anything? No. Did they do that on purpose? Clearly not. Fine, give them a €200k fine and tell them to not forget agan. They managed to do just that in Debrecen's case.
Meh. The rules are there and being part of the competition means that you've explicitly(through paperwork) or at least implicitly accepted the rules.
It is harsh but it is what it is. Celtic got lucky but they will be knocked out in the next round by the sound of things.
As for Legia, there is always next year. You learn from your mistakes, especially the more costly ones.
It is harsh but it is what it is. Celtic got lucky but they will be knocked out in the next round by the sound of things.
As for Legia, there is always next year. You learn from your mistakes, especially the more costly ones.
Thing is there will be no next year for Legia, very likely, this was their best shot. Their best player is likely to end his career after this season and some of their best players will have to leave now because they cannot afford to keep their best players at the minute like all other Polish teams. €10m they could get for being in CL might seem like nothing to a United fan but for Legia it's loads of money.
As for rules being rules than fair enough, you are a good man. I hope you turn yourself in to police each time you go slightly over speed limit and ask them to put you in jail. Rules are rules.
I understand you're upset and rules don't always make sense but entering a competition implicitly means that you accept them.
As for the speeding bit, I try my best not to speed and if one day I'm caught speeding I won't be complaining because I was given a driving license by my province that gives me the right to drive but within a set of rules.
I feel sorry for Legia given what you just said and because Celtic were crap and are not deserving of a place but you live and learn. I'm sure when they get the opportunity again, they will be more diligent with their paperwork.
If they had used a player that were sent off in the game before - fine.
But when the problem is that he wasn't registered for the game before, and the punishment moves to the next match - this is where it gets absurd. Not registered ?
You can't seriously kick a team out of the tournament for this crap - it's just wrong! Especially as he played 4 minutes in a match that was already won - and hence had no influence on the result.
But when the problem is that he wasn't registered for the game before, and the punishment moves to the next match - this is where it gets absurd. Not registered ?
You can't seriously kick a team out of the tournament for this crap - it's just wrong! Especially as he played 4 minutes in a match that was already won - and hence had no influence on the result.
This, this, this. Legia weren't kicked out of Europe. They forfeited one bloody match which put them out on away goals. If they hadn't missed TWO penalties in the first leg they'd still be through regardless of the forfeit.
Legia did something wrong and deserve punishment - but being kicked out of the tournament when you consider what other clubs get away with ? It's just wrong.
If Uefa can justify letting clubs breaking FFP without kicking them out - surely they can accept an error like this.
They weren't kicked out of the tournament. They forfeited a match in which they used a suspended player. It's as simple as that.
The whole needing to register your suspended players makes perfect sense as well. If you have a 25 man squad and a guy get's suspended, you should have 24+banned player. By leaving him out of the squad and replacing him with another player you're not losing out at all.
forfeiting the match was far too harsh. Should have been a fine and nothing more.
Never seen a club get as much luck as Celtic. Humiliated and still find themselves going through.
Never seen a club get as much luck as Celtic. Humiliated and still find themselves going through.
They didn't register 25 players, they had left an open space.
I wasn't really referring to Legia but rather defending the "you must register a suspended player" rule. I can see why it's in place.
Of course but in this case no advantage was gained in that way.
Oh, and Celtic had to file a protest for UEFA to investigate this according to the rules. So them saying they are sorry for Legia and denying they have complained is a bit fishy. I understand how they could not let €6m pass them by but if they really went to UEFA crying about Bereszynski playing 3 minutes in a game they'd already lost then well, that's not very fair.
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How much of the 10m for Forster do you reckon will be spent? Well...7.5m since Newcastle had a 25% sell clause.
How much of the 10m for Forster do you reckon will be spent? Well...7.5m since Newcastle had a 25% sell clause.
feck 
Celtic and Warsaw should both forfeit since Warsaw fielded an illegitimate player and Celtic are steaming dog poo.
Celtic and Warsaw should both forfeit since Warsaw fielded an illegitimate player and Celtic are steaming dog poo.
This is the only real solution.feck
Celtic and Warsaw should both forfeit since Warsaw fielded an illegitimate player and Celtic are steaming dog poo.
errr... how can UEFA throw Legia out for what is basically a paperwork error... when they first threw Milan out in 07 for their part in a BRIBERY scandal, then allowed them to compete.
Please tell me which offense is worse... because it sure isn't the paperwork error
Please tell me which offense is worse... because it sure isn't the paperwork error
Completely correct decision according to the rules, even if harsh and unfortunate.
The bolded part seems weird. Shouldn't UEFA be enforcing the rules of their own competition, such as verifying eligibility, rather than relying on an opponent to challenge it. How would Celtic even have been expected to know the ins and outs of whether the player was eligible? Shouldn't UEFA have checked the registered list before the game? Shouldn't the referee have checked the team selection (starters and subs) against the registered list before the game?
It could be worse, it could be rioting Rangers that got lucky.
As far as I am concerned, good luck to them. No point in having rules if they are not enforced, regardless of how poorly Celtic played.
As far as I am concerned, good luck to them. No point in having rules if they are not enforced, regardless of how poorly Celtic played.
[QUOTE="Fergie's Man, post: 16214028, member: 23947"]It could be worse, it could be rioting Rangers that got lucky.
As far as I am concerned, good luck to them. No point in having rules if they are not enforced, regardless of how poorly Celtic played.[/QUOTE]
Why would that be worse?
As far as I am concerned, good luck to them. No point in having rules if they are not enforced, regardless of how poorly Celtic played.[/QUOTE]
Why would that be worse?
The clue is in the same sentence.
So every Rangers man is a Riot thug?
No not at all mate, but you can't paint us all with the same brush, ya, know..No, but I don't like them as a result. Sounds like I hit a nerve?
That will be the nerve I was talking about.
I think I already said that I wasn't tarring all Rangers fans with the same brush, but I have given you my reasons for disliking Rangers much more than Celtic. I am not a bigot, I wasn't brought up to dislike a team because of religion or any other brain dead reason, just simply how they behaved in the streets of Manchester. My neighbour is a 'Gers fan and you couldn't meet a better bloke, but I am not about to change my views on Rangers as a result.
Fair enough.
No. Just about 95% of them are.
Not all Rangers fans' are thugs
I've had a smoke and a pint with many decent Ranger's fans' in Northern Ireland and Glasgow and they knew full well I was 100% Irish etc. Although maybe that's just my charm, as I don't give a flying shit about any religious or national or race backgrounds
I've had a smoke and a pint with many decent Ranger's fans' in Northern Ireland and Glasgow and they knew full well I was 100% Irish etc. Although maybe that's just my charm, as I don't give a flying shit about any religious or national or race backgrounds
What Legia have done was much worse though. Blatant cheating.
I think the delegate could have not known about Bereszynski either. All he knew looking at the list is that he was there and that he did not play against St Patricks in the previous round and in the first leg versus Celtic so according to his knowledge he had served his ban. He was not aware that he was not in the protocol against St Patricks because the person responsible for preparing it didn't know he had to be there even though he was ineligible. It was only after the game that someone (either Celtic or UEFA delegate) reported it but since it happened straight after the game someone did know about and decided not to tell. I am aware it's Legia's responsibility to keep tabs on that but fecking hell, shouldn't football be about playing the game rather than trying to trick a club into a paperwork error that costs them CL?
Bereszynski playing 3 minutes was meaningless BTW as it turns out. UEFA have spoken on that too and they said that even if he had spent the whole game on the bench, it would have still been a walkover to Celtic.
Talking about absolutely meaningless paperwork errors a club not putting a players name in match day protocol while he is banned thinking he is still serving suspension simply because he does not play is up there with the most meaningless errors you can make. Although it's obviously just my opinion because most people here clearly seem to think that it is a mistake that completely warrants exclusion from a major international tournament and makes it a deserved progression for Celtic.
1-2m tops. And it'll be on "projects" rather than any proven quality that we'll know what we're getting from them. We've sold Forster, Wanyama, Hooper and Ki in recent seasons for huge money as well as regular champions league group stage football yet we've not reinvested the money into the squad. Can't see that changing now after the huge wake up call we had v Legia. We'll probably get good money for van Dijk in the next week too. Our board only care about balance sheet. It's depressing stuff.
You will probably get past Maribor and get knocked out in the group stages coming 4th again. You are well behind the top European teams but so long as it's good enough to win the title and make it through Champions League qualifiers I reckon numbers make sense and you don't need to reinvest.
Aberdeen are still some way behind and it will take Rangers 4-5 more years to catch up. This Celtic side is probably the worst I have seen but it does not matter so long as they get results.
Aberdeen are still some way behind and it will take Rangers 4-5 more years to catch up. This Celtic side is probably the worst I have seen but it does not matter so long as they get results.
Celtic aren't massively ahead of Aberdeen, especially if they sell Forster and Van Dijk. More teams need to not be afraid of them, they'll win the League by about 15 points I reckon. They probably won't get as many points as last season, they were excellent at racking up wins last season. Hopefully Aberdeen can beat the crap teams and that alone will push us closer.
People calling Legia stupid, think a little bit. This wasn't stupid. It was a very easy mistake to make. Hardly any competition in football has this rule. Think it's only the two competitions.
How many times is this likely to happen? It's a qualifying match with (usually) smaller teams. They don't all have legal department. There's nothin stupid about fielding a player that has purposely not played in the last three matches because of a ban. Celtic didn't know. Are they stupid too? Not one reporter caught it. It's a very unusual rule. The rules that punish lawbreaking are fair but the rules about registration are obviously not clear enough. Personally I don't see the need for it. You are allowed 25 players. What tea in the qualifiers is able to register 25 players, have a player sent off and then register a different 25 man squad for the next round where these 25 players all matter? No team.
There's no need for it. Put up 18 players for the match and that's it. If you field a player that's supposed to be suspended, you get punished. Why does it have to be needlessly complicated and different from all other competitions?
This rule wasn't well thought out and because of that a team has suffered because UEFA has to stick by it. The Celtic players and manager aren't the winners here. It sucks to go through that way and they know it. If they manage to qualify for groups it will be associated with them all the way because they lost so heavily. Different if it was a close tie but this just feels dirty.
Now it only puts a patch on Celtic's problem. They will go to either group competition and the board is safe for another year.
How many times is this likely to happen? It's a qualifying match with (usually) smaller teams. They don't all have legal department. There's nothin stupid about fielding a player that has purposely not played in the last three matches because of a ban. Celtic didn't know. Are they stupid too? Not one reporter caught it. It's a very unusual rule. The rules that punish lawbreaking are fair but the rules about registration are obviously not clear enough. Personally I don't see the need for it. You are allowed 25 players. What tea in the qualifiers is able to register 25 players, have a player sent off and then register a different 25 man squad for the next round where these 25 players all matter? No team.
There's no need for it. Put up 18 players for the match and that's it. If you field a player that's supposed to be suspended, you get punished. Why does it have to be needlessly complicated and different from all other competitions?
This rule wasn't well thought out and because of that a team has suffered because UEFA has to stick by it. The Celtic players and manager aren't the winners here. It sucks to go through that way and they know it. If they manage to qualify for groups it will be associated with them all the way because they lost so heavily. Different if it was a close tie but this just feels dirty.
Now it only puts a patch on Celtic's problem. They will go to either group competition and the board is safe for another year.
It is totally a paperwork problem from legia Warsaw but the rules must be abided too and maybe in light of this incident they will be changed accordingly. That being said, Celtic will lose comfortably to their next opponent, who I believe is Real Sociedad (?). The Scottish league is an absolute joke, I used to like and follow Celtic but its not worth it anymore. They're the shiniest turd of the bunch.
It's Maribor and they should beat Maribor.
Like they should have beaten Legia...
Fully agreed, stupid mistake to make and Legia are dumb to have done something like this but the punishment is way exaggerated and the mistake was not meaningful in any way.
Ridiculously harsh decision. No matter how many rules are written, if you don't apply sense its useless.