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2014-15 Performances

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6.0 Season Average Rating
Appearances
26
Clean sheets
8
Goals
1
Assists
0
Yellow cards
6
goldenballs said:
So....Is anyone with some sense, going to answer my question from the other thread??? Is he any good? My other thread was feck all to with me not knowing we were after him or any shit like that. It was a simple question, I know nothing of him and want to know if he is he any good. All the dicks that laughed can go feck yourselves, Sensible answers only please.
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Sly from Portugal who is, I think, a sporting fan, rates him very highly and feels he can become a real quality defender for us under LVG. Based on his comments, rojo has a great season for sporting last season at centre back. He's also supposedly great aerially which I think could really help us.

From what I've read one my own about him, he's physically excellent. Quick, strong and good in the air. Used to have issues with discipline and positioning, and maybe still does, but made huge strides with respect to that last season when he had a fine year. Still does pick up lots of cards.
 
Ish84045 said:
Welcome Rojo. Adds a lot f much needed aggression and physicality (& cuntishness) to our team.

Fans are going to love him.
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Haha that's the perfect word for it. We need that cuntishness back. We used to have hard men like Vidic, Roy Keane, Gaz Neville, Staam... today we should be happy with Rojo - Proper nutter.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Why do you think that? Have you seen evidence of it?
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His disciplinary record speaks for itself and even if I haven't seen him Play much, his problems with positioning errors are what really everybody confirms who has to do with port. League.

Him and Jones in defence would be two harsh defenders alongside wach other. Can't imagine that this works well for us.
 
red_7 said:
His disciplinary record speaks for itself and even if I haven't seen him Play much, his problems with positioning errors are what really everybody confirms who has to do with port. League.

Him and Jones in defence would be two harsh defenders alongside wach other. Can't imagine that this works well for us.
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So you havent seen him but you know he has positioning errors?
 
Very promising player. Although we don't have a great history with Argentines, hopefully we can get a good solid 4-5 years of service from him. Brings much needed aggression and depth to our team. Very good going forward as well.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Sly from Portugal who is, I think, a sporting fan, rates him very highly and feels he can become a real quality defender for us under LVG. Based on his comments, rojo has a great season for sporting last season at centre back. He's also supposedly great aerially which I think could really help us.

From what I've read one my own about him, he's physically excellent. Quick, strong and good in the air. Used to have issues with discipline and positioning, and maybe still does, but made huge strides with respect to that last season when he had a fine year. Still does pick up lots of cards.
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Thank you. Bit of honing required by the sound of him. here's hoping he fits in.
 
red_7 said:
His disciplinary record speaks for itself and even if I haven't seen him Play much, his problems with positioning errors are what really everybody confirms who has to do with port. League.

Him and Jones in defence would be two harsh defenders alongside wach other. Can't imagine that this works well for us.
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Perhaps you should watch him play and make up your own mind. Just have a look at the threads on players in this forum. Some people argue that player A has been fine, another will argue that he was terrible.
 
hope we sign vidal and de jong and rafael will be back from injury, then we can line-up super aggresive team hungry for success everybody will finally fear.. it is not the last signing is it ?
 
For people bitching about the fee, you need to understanding that Sporting didn't want to get rid of him and we're in need of defenders. He is not a '£16m player' whatever that means, but that's the price you pay to take another clubs valuable assets. If we bid exactly what he's worth for him, Sporting would tell us to feck off. Every club overpays for transfers, or else the system wouldn't work. The ones that seem a 'bargain' are only a bargain in hindsight because a player goes on to surprise everyone by excelling. Perhaps at the end of the season we'll think this is a bargain.

I think it's a fine price we've paid, because, really, what does £16m get you nowadays? Callum Chambers, a 19 year old who's had half a good season for an average side. No guarantees he'll be any good. We've just signed a 24 year old World Cup finalist who has been solid for the last two seasons for Sporting. I think it's fair.
 
Boom boom boom now let me here Rojo, Rojo
I said boom boom boom muthafeckas say Rojo, Rojo.

Welcome Marcos the Red.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
New redcafe favorite word: Underwhelming.

Embarrasing is in the past.
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It's actually too underwhelming a word considering what's happened lately. I can't think of any other words for such an uninspiring feeling.
 
Gopher Brown said:
For people bitching about the fee, you need to understanding that Sporting didn't want to get rid of him and we're in need of defenders. He is not a '£16m player' whatever that means, but that's the price you pay to take another clubs valuable assets. If we bid exactly what he's worth for him, Sporting would tell us to feck off. Every club overpays for transfers, or else the system wouldn't work. The ones that seem a 'bargain' are only a bargain in hindsight because a player goes on to surprise everyone by excelling. Perhaps at the end of the season we'll think this is a bargain.

I think it's a fine price we've paid, because, really, what does £16m get you nowadays? Callum Chambers, a 19 year old who's had half a good season for an average side. No guarantees he'll be any good. We've just signed a 24 year old World Cup finalist who has been solid for the last two seasons for Sporting. I think it's fair.
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£16m is about what we paid for Phil Jones as well, and that was before transfer prices had gone even higher. Have no idea why people think it's a bad price
 
Mali_Zeus said:
So you havent seen him but you know he has positioning errors?
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Read first!!! I just told what experts from several sources tell, all confirming his weakness. So most likely there is some truth in it. Wait and see if LvG can discipline and improve him.
 
Gopher Brown said:
For people bitching about the fee, you need to understanding that Sporting didn't want to get rid of him and we're in need of defenders. He is not a '£16m player' whatever that means, but that's the price you pay to take another clubs valuable assets. If we bid exactly what he's worth for him, Sporting would tell us to feck off. Every club overpays for transfers, or else the system wouldn't work. The ones that seem a 'bargain' are only a bargain in hindsight because a player goes on to surprise everyone by excelling. Perhaps at the end of the season we'll think this is a bargain.

I think it's a fine price we've paid, because, really, what does £16m get you nowadays? Callum Chambers, a 19 year old who's had half a good season for an average side. No guarantees he'll be any good. We've just signed a 24 year old World Cup finalist who has been solid for the last two seasons for Sporting. I think it's fair.
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I agree - doesnt seem expensive at all for a regular Argentine international who just played all the way to the World Cup Final, in fact compared to what we paid for a very inexperienced Shaw its a bargain!

Although the exact terms of the Nani part of the deal does make a difference - still trying to find confirmation if we really are paying all his wages as thats probably an extra £4m or so.
 
Rood said:
I agree - doesnt seem expensive at all for a regular Argentine international who just played all the way to the World Cup Final, in fact compared to what we paid for a very inexperienced Shaw its a bargain!

Although the exact terms of the Nani part of the deal does make a difference - still trying to find confirmation if we really are paying all his wages as thats probably an extra £4m or so.
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You are paying all his wages. It´s in the CMVM report i translated in the Rojo thread in the transfer forum http://web3.cmvm.pt/sdi2004/emitentes/docs/FR51803.pdf

"Em simultâneo a SPORTING SAD chegou ao acordo com o Manchester United
para a cedência temporária, livre de encargos, para a SPORTING SAD do
atleta Nani, até ao final da época 2014/2015."

Basically says that Sporting gets Nani on loan, free of charge (livre de encargos translation), till the end of the 2014/2015 season.
 
Rood said:
I agree - doesnt seem expensive at all for a regular Argentine international who just played all the way to the World Cup Final, in fact compared to what we paid for a very inexperienced Shaw its a bargain!

Although the exact terms of the Nani part of the deal does make a difference - still trying to find confirmation if we really are paying all his wages as thats probably an extra £4m or so.
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To paraphrase another post I saw elsewhere, if Nani has a good season, we'll get £10-12m for him. At the moment we'd struggle to get £7m. It might be worthwhile.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Can "free of charge" be construed as no loan fee?
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It could but the portuguese media are reporting that United are paying his wage, so it´s free of charge as in no loan fee and wages.
 
To conclude my point, even if Sporting was suppose to contribute to Nani´s wage, it would always be a residual percentage. Nani to Sporting could only be done thanks to United´s good will and the excellent relationship between the clubs. Our most expensive player wage wise (our goalkeeper Rui Patrício) gets 1.2 million euros per year. That´s our wage cap. United would always have to pay 90 to 100% of Nani´s wage. We simply can´t afford him without United´s financial help.
 
Sly said:
To conclude my point, even if Sporting was suppose to contribute to Nani´s wage, it would always be a residual percentage. Nani to Sporting could only be done thanks to United´s good will and the excellent relationship between the clubs. Our most expensive player wage wise (our goalkeeper Rui Patrício) gets 1.2 million euros per year. That´s our wage cap. United would always have to pay 90 to 100% of Nani´s wage. We simply can´t afford him without United´s financial help.
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I think it's safe to assume we're paying the vast majority of Nani's wages, more likely his complete wages. I agree there appears to be good relations between the two clubs.
 
I think it's only fair that we clear up this Rojo is ill-disciplined thing.

Yes he is lacking in discipline but he's not as bad as some people here have made him out to be. In fact he's been improving. I'd like the opinion of @Sly to maybe help me out with this.

- Last year he had 7 YC and 2 RC. One of that was a direct red and other was a Yellow/Red.
- The year before that he had 10 YC and 2 RC.

This would suggest that he has been improving with respect to his discipline.

Let's not forget that YC are not the best barometer for measuring a player's value.

- Last year Pablo Zabaleta had 11 YC to his name in the PL (The most in the league). Yet, he was still lauded as a tremendous player for them, rightly so. But, it goes to show that YC don't make the player bad or good.

Perhaps what this lad needs is a strong manager to teach him how to keep his head. If we can get him to control his game he'd be invaluable in my book.

At the WC, the key stat that struck me was that he played 6 matches in which out of the 27 tackles he made, he was successful in 17 of them. That's 63% and when we take in aerial duels as well, he fares 60% success ratio when it comes to taking on opposition. In anyone's book those are great numbers.

So maybe he's not as lunatic-like as people suggest. Perhaps he's not that ill-disciplined and maybe, just maybe we have a very good prospect here. Another stat was that Marcos Rojo was even faster than Arjen Robben in covering ground. That type of speed for a CB can be a real asset. What say?

Sources: ESPN, Squawka
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think it's safe to assume we're paying the vast majority of Nani's wages, more likely his complete wages. I agree there appears to be good relations between the two clubs.
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It´s a good policy. We have some good players (William Carvalho, Carlos Mané) and an academy that has a proven track record. Who knows, we might do business again in the near future.
 
Sly said:
To conclude my point, even if Sporting was suppose to contribute to Nani´s wage, it would always be a residual percentage. Nani to Sporting could only be done thanks to United´s good will and the excellent relationship between the clubs. Our most expensive player wage wise (our goalkeeper Rui Patrício) gets 1.2 million euros per year. That´s our wage cap. United would always have to pay 90 to 100% of Nani´s wage. We simply can´t afford him without United´s financial help.
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To be honest I think Sporting have the best end of the deal on this, Nani just needs a bit of confidence, to me he seems like a sensitive soul and with a bit of love he could fly again, with him having the potential to be the main man over there he could do really well for you guys.

Btw I saw it mentioned somewhere that Carvalho could be a backup option for us, what do you reckon the chances are of Sporting selling him to us after this deal? Maybe you'd fancy a bit of Anderson in return to complete the 7 year cycle with these two 'error' purchases.
 
Imagine flying over on a private jet to sign for the club of your dreams...wearing a Donald Duck t-shirt.
 
I'm happy to see him signed (pending his medical and all that). Seems like a modern centreback with athleticism, bite and skills who can also cover the LWB position.
 
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