[PickledRed]

If we pay enough we get the players we want. Prior to signing with united this guy was close to go to liverpool feeder club. He also done well in a league were bebe excelled in.

I wish him all the best but i cant see how this guy is better to what weve got

An odd point. Very good players are taken from second tier leagues around Europe - Ronaldo, Suarez, Evra...

 

[devilish]

Arguably the most expensive player of all time came from Liverpool's feeder club.

If he can manage to stay uninjured the entire season, that automatically makes him better than our back four who are perma-crocked. And imo, I would rather have Rojo able to fill in at LB than seeing Ashley Young out there.

As i said i have no complains if hes shaw cover. However hes no solution to a CB that is in an absolute mess

 

[Sarni]

An odd point. Very good players are taken from second tier leagues around Europe - Ronaldo, Suarez, Evra...

That won't stop devilish from moaning about our transfers. Di Maria also went to Real Madrid from the same league and hasn't done too bad.

 

[devilish]

An odd point. Very good players are taken from second tier leagues around Europe - Ronaldo, Suarez, Evra...

I suspect that the portuguese league is well lower in terms of quality then the dutch league or even the same portuguese league ronaldo played in. As i said i have no problem if rojo is seen as buttners replacement but we need someone better to shore the cb mess

 

[LR7]

As i said i have no complains if hes shaw cover. However hes no solution to a CB that is in an absolute mess

Have you watched him much to have this opinion or are you just making unqualified assumptions?

 

[devilish]

That won't stop devilish from moaning about our transfers. Di Maria also went to Real Madrid from the same league and hasn't done too bad.

I fully agree with herreras deal. I believe we overspent on shaw and i have no complains if rojo is brought as backup. However hes no answer for our cb mess

 

[devilish]

Have you watched him much to have this opinion or are you just making unqualified assumptions?

Ive watched him a couple of times. Hes a technically gifted defender but his suspect in terms of positioning and hes a bit of a loose cannon.

 

[entropy]

Rojo is spanish for red. It was inevitable.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

This is a very 'modern' view in my opinion. Not peculiar to United fans but a creeping trend with how fans perceive football at the top level. It's actually quite unhealthy in my opinion and is a product of what football is becoming.

It seems that if you're not buying absolute proven quality for £25m+ then signings don't get fans giddy. A lot of top clubs are indulging in a nonsense-based reality where they are exchanging 'world-class talent' around Europe and if your club doesn't get one fans become disappointed at the purchase of a player without the same cache.

But ask yourselves this: when have United built a team around the purchase of two or three world class signings in a window, which is being suggested as the solution to all the squad's problems? It seems that building a team has become secondary to a clutch of fans who regard the name and glitz of an individual signing as the chief concern.

I'm reading it on here everyday about Liverpool's 'underwhelming' spending because they've not bought 'names'. It doesn't strike the average whopper that squads, in the main, are built around team-building. Rodgers is growing a squad with balance and room to develop. It may not work but it's a sane way of proceeding.

Bayern didn't achieve great things through buying world class players from all corners of Europe. Nor did Barca until recently. The likes of Real, PSG and City have distorted perceptions of how squads should be built. It's caused fans to look on in envy while acting like spoilt children when their own club only pays £16m on a strong, yet unglamorous, looking defender.

In short, stop playing Football Manager with your club - it makes you look like a 14 year old boy!

Good post.

 

[Nights]

This is a very 'modern' view in my opinion. Not peculiar to United fans but a creeping trend with how fans perceive football at the top level. It's actually quite unhealthy in my opinion and is a product of what football is becoming.

It seems that if you're not buying absolute proven quality for £25m+ then signings don't get fans giddy. A lot of top clubs are indulging in a nonsense-based reality where they are exchanging 'world-class talent' around Europe and if your club doesn't get one fans become disappointed at the purchase of a player without the same cache.

But ask yourselves this: when have United built a team around the purchase of two or three world class signings in a window, which is being suggested as the solution to all the squad's problems? It seems that building a team has become secondary to a clutch of fans who regard the name and glitz of an individual signing as the chief concern.

I'm reading it on here everyday about Liverpool's 'underwhelming' spending because they've not bought 'names'. It doesn't strike the average whopper that squads, in the main, are built around team-building. Rodgers is growing a squad with balance and room to develop. It may not work but it's a sane way of proceeding.

Bayern didn't achieve great things through buying world class players from all corners of Europe. Nor did Barca until recently. The likes of Real, PSG and City have distorted perceptions of how squads should be built. It's caused fans to look on in envy while acting like spoilt children when their own club only pays £16m on a strong, yet unglamorous, looking defender.

In short, stop playing Football Manager with your club - it makes you look like a 14 year old boy!

Excellent post.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

This is a very 'modern' view in my opinion. Not peculiar to United fans but a creeping trend with how fans perceive football at the top level. It's actually quite unhealthy in my opinion and is a product of what football is becoming.

It seems that if you're not buying absolute proven quality for £25m+ then signings don't get fans giddy. A lot of top clubs are indulging in a nonsense-based reality where they are exchanging 'world-class talent' around Europe and if your club doesn't get one fans become disappointed at the purchase of a player without the same cache.

But ask yourselves this: when have United built a team around the purchase of two or three world class signings in a window, which is being suggested as the solution to all the squad's problems? It seems that building a team has become secondary to a clutch of fans who regard the name and glitz of an individual signing as the chief concern.

I'm reading it on here everyday about Liverpool's 'underwhelming' spending because they've not bought 'names'. It doesn't strike the average whopper that squads, in the main, are built around team-building. Rodgers is growing a squad with balance and room to develop. It may not work but it's a sane way of proceeding.

Bayern didn't achieve great things through buying world class players from all corners of Europe. Nor did Barca until recently. The likes of Real, PSG and City have distorted perceptions of how squads should be built. It's caused fans to look on in envy while acting like spoilt children when their own club only pays £16m on a strong, yet unglamorous, looking defender.

In short, stop playing Football Manager with your club - it makes you look like a 14 year old boy!

WOW best post on RedCafe for a while.

 

[JackXX]

This is a very 'modern' view in my opinion. Not peculiar to United fans but a creeping trend with how fans perceive football at the top level. It's actually quite unhealthy in my opinion and is a product of what football is becoming.

It seems that if you're not buying absolute proven quality for £25m+ then signings don't get fans giddy. A lot of top clubs are indulging in a nonsense-based reality where they are exchanging 'world-class talent' around Europe and if your club doesn't get one fans become disappointed at the purchase of a player without the same cache.

But ask yourselves this: when have United built a team around the purchase of two or three world class signings in a window, which is being suggested as the solution to all the squad's problems? It seems that building a team has become secondary to a clutch of fans who regard the name and glitz of an individual signing as the chief concern.

I'm reading it on here everyday about Liverpool's 'underwhelming' spending because they've not bought 'names'. It doesn't strike the average whopper that squads, in the main, are built around team-building. Rodgers is growing a squad with balance and room to develop. It may not work but it's a sane way of proceeding.

Bayern didn't achieve great things through buying world class players from all corners of Europe. Nor did Barca until recently. The likes of Real, PSG and City have distorted perceptions of how squads should be built. It's caused fans to look on in envy while acting like spoilt children when their own club only pays £16m on a strong, yet unglamorous, looking defender.

In short, stop playing Football Manager with your club - it makes you look like a 14 year old boy!

Great post

 

[montpelier]

it doesn't strike the average whopper..

We're they're in a state of panic and meltdown after losing the first game at home and us looking a bit of mess, tbf

More reasonably, I am pleased to see any defender of any kind arrive, just at the moment.

 

[MJJ]

So tell then please who you wanted instead...

Edit: Thought so. People bitch about signings they have no idea about and can't even suggest alternatives in same position. I remember this happened a lot when the then unknown Vidic and Evra first signed for United.

It also happened when the unknown bebe, diouf, obertan,etc were signed.

 

[nevillestache]

I'm happy we're signing this lad and I like the fact he's so eager to join us but I just can't get overly excited until I see who else Woody will successfully bring in.

 

[MJJ]

This is a very 'modern' view in my opinion. Not peculiar to United fans but a creeping trend with how fans perceive football at the top level. It's actually quite unhealthy in my opinion and is a product of what football is becoming.

It seems that if you're not buying absolute proven quality for £25m+ then signings don't get fans giddy. A lot of top clubs are indulging in a nonsense-based reality where they are exchanging 'world-class talent' around Europe and if your club doesn't get one fans become disappointed at the purchase of a player without the same cache.

But ask yourselves this: when have United built a team around the purchase of two or three world class signings in a window, which is being suggested as the solution to all the squad's problems? It seems that building a team has become secondary to a clutch of fans who regard the name and glitz of an individual signing as the chief concern.

I'm reading it on here everyday about Liverpool's 'underwhelming' spending because they've not bought 'names'. It doesn't strike the average whopper that squads, in the main, are built around team-building. Rodgers is growing a squad with balance and room to develop. It may not work but it's a sane way of proceeding.

Bayern didn't achieve great things through buying world class players from all corners of Europe. Nor did Barca until recently. The likes of Real, PSG and City have distorted perceptions of how squads should be built. It's caused fans to look on in envy while acting like spoilt children when their own club only pays £16m on a strong, yet unglamorous, looking defender.

In short, stop playing Football Manager with your club - it makes you look like a 14 year old boy!

Bayern recent first team signings and the signings who help them dominate europe.

Lewandowski
Gotze
Martinez
Alcantara
Ribery
Neuer
Dante
Manzudic


Other than the last two, all were "names" as you termed them. Skinting on players is never going to get you to the top of europe unless you have an exceptional youth system.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

Unlike many here, or so it appears, I'm no expert on the Portugese league, but I do know that the lad played well at the world cup, and was so enthusiastic about joining us he leaked his own transfer.

I'll take that and Van Gaal's judgment on this one, one thing he knows, its getting younger talent to shine on a football pitch.

 

[jojojo]

But that would be the reason we bought Rojo instead of Fernandez; I'm wondering more about the massive difference in value and what it's due to.

Fernandez has played 68 games in the past 4 years in Europe, shared between Napoli and Getafe. Injuries? Not that good?

I think that to answer your question you'd have to find someone who watches them both play for their clubs. Probably a scout.

 

[NoLogo]

For a CB he looked quite capable on the ball during the WC playing on Argentinas left side and we needed another CB so I feel this deal makes sense. Good to see we finally getting some replacements for our weakened defense in.

 

[Jerch]

This is a very 'modern' view in my opinion. Not peculiar to United fans but a creeping trend with how fans perceive football at the top level. It's actually quite unhealthy in my opinion and is a product of what football is becoming.

It seems that if you're not buying absolute proven quality for £25m+ then signings don't get fans giddy. A lot of top clubs are indulging in a nonsense-based reality where they are exchanging 'world-class talent' around Europe and if your club doesn't get one fans become disappointed at the purchase of a player without the same cache.

But ask yourselves this: when have United built a team around the purchase of two or three world class signings in a window, which is being suggested as the solution to all the squad's problems? It seems that building a team has become secondary to a clutch of fans who regard the name and glitz of an individual signing as the chief concern.

I'm reading it on here everyday about Liverpool's 'underwhelming' spending because they've not bought 'names'. It doesn't strike the average whopper that squads, in the main, are built around team-building. Rodgers is growing a squad with balance and room to develop. It may not work but it's a sane way of proceeding.

Bayern didn't achieve great things through buying world class players from all corners of Europe. Nor did Barca until recently. The likes of Real, PSG and City have distorted perceptions of how squads should be built. It's caused fans to look on in envy while acting like spoilt children when their own club only pays £16m on a strong, yet unglamorous, looking defender.

In short, stop playing Football Manager with your club - it makes you look like a 14 year old boy!

It looks like right way to build the team like you described but i have to add that i just want 1 big signing per season in the place where we need it. This really helps building a team when you get WC player you need who instantly improve your team. Bayern and Barca does it.

And i want to add just one more thing. We need to get better with selling players we don't need and balance our squad. Van Gaal said we have to much number 10 players and strikers. Why not sell them then. We must start selling players who are not good enough or who we don't need. This is our biggest problem in the last 2 or 3 seasons.

 

[The Black Pearl]

I'm glad we signed him. Going by what I saw of him at the WC added to what LvG is capable of doing with players, getting out of them etc I'd be confident enough he'll turn out to be a good signing.

I hope everyone gives him a proper chance to settle in and adapt to things now and not be acting the bollix by writing him off straight away if he doesn't hit the ground running. That might be asking for a bit much though.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

And i want to add just one more thing. We need to get better with selling players we don't need and balance our squad. Van Gaal said we have to much number 10 players and strikers. Why not sell them then. We must start selling players eho are not good enough or who we don't need. This is our biggest problem in the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Ideally yes but in reality, it comes down to the players. Clubs would be approaching some of our players quite often but when they present them with their offer, it just doesn't match what they are currently getting at United, so no bid is put in.

 

[Nights]

Bayern recent first team signings and the signings who help them dominate europe.

Lewandowski
Gotze
Martinez
Alcantara
Ribery
Neuer
Dante
Manzudic


Other than the last two, all were "names" as you termed them. Skinting on players is never going to get you to the top of europe unless you have an exceptional youth system.

That list is cherry picking. Bayern got to the UCL final against Chelsea without Lewa, Gotze, Martinez and Alcantara who have all been very recent signings. Neuer was good when they signed him, and Fergie had his chance too at him but chose DDG (a choice I have no issues with). Ribery was not "world class" when they signed him either (he was very good though).

 

[FromTheBench]

That list is cherry picking. Bayern got to the UCL final against Chelsea without Lewa, Gotze, Martinez and Alcantara who have all been very recent signings. Neuer was good when they signed him, and Fergie had his chance too at him but chose DDG (a choice I have no issues with). Ribery was not "world class" when they signed him either (he was very good though).

Neither was Alcantara.

 

[Adcuth]

whats this i keep hearing about us paying the fee in 3 installments. This true or just bullshit?

 

[MJJ]

That list is cherry picking. Bayern got to the UCL final against Chelsea without Lewa, Gotze, Martinez and Alcantara who have all been very recent signings. Neuer was good when they signed him, and Fergie had his chance too at him but chose DDG (a choice I have no issues with). Ribery was not "world class" when they signed him either (he was very good though).

Doesnt change what I said though? Bayern have spend big to build their team. Those three are going to play a big part in their future while the rest of the names I mentioned are/have playing/played a key role in their dominance of europe. you cant say they spend 10-12 mil on good buys to build the squad only as they offsetted that with big signings to improve the quality of their first team.

You cant do that signing the likes of rojo, ribery was among the best wingers in the world when he was signed and it was the same for neuer,

Edit- And the origninal post wasnt about world class players but rather "names" which all of them fall under as they all had huge hype when bayern signed them.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Neither was Alcantara.

He still isn't world class as he is always injured. Only time will tell with him.

 

[mariachi-19]

I fully agree with herreras deal. I believe we overspent on shaw and i have no complains if rojo is brought as backup. However hes no answer for our cb mess

So a player that was key in Argentina reaching the World Cup final, that helped keep and lets not forget this, Arjen Robben quiet during the Semi final and everything else that Argentina did, while two of our current first choice cb's couldn't even get into their own national side let alone be instrumental in it, is not an answer for our CB mess? He's a quick, ball playing CB whose considered rather intelligent but heart on his sleeve type. I'd say this isn't a bad signing by the club whether as a first choice or backup CB. I'll very much give him a chance first before slating him because he played in a different league. Lets not forget where Vidic came from and that's much worse than the Portugese league.

I'd say this was very much an LVG signing that was scouted during the world cup, but required patience due to 3rd party bullshit. This alone should fill some with confidence because he quite clearly has a clue about players.

 

[Jerch]

Ideally yes but in reality, it comes down to the players. Clubs would be approaching some of our players quite often but when they present them with their offer, it just doesn't match what they are currently getting at United, so no bid is put in.

Why we give them such a big salarys? And people forget that footballers salaries are smaller if they don't play or a team don't achive their goals. It is rumored that all our players will get i think around 20% less money because we are not in CL. Rumored salarys are often the basic amount with all bonuses for playing games and scoring goals and all that.

Edit: pressed send to soon writting on the phone. And sorry for my bad english.

 

[KM]

It also happened when the unknown bebe, diouf, obertan,etc were signed.

That's a ridiculous comparison.
None of them had interational recognition like Rojo has. People are acting as if we have signed an unknown. We havent , this guy was a regular fixture in a defense which reached the WC final.

 

[KM]

@PickledRed- Cracking post mate.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

Why we give them such a big salarys? And people forget that footballers salaries are smaller if they don't play or a team don't achive their goals. It is rumored that all our players will get i think around 20% less money because we are not in CL. Rumored salarys are often n

Don't ask me why they get put on certain wages.

We say pay what it takes now to land the player but when it comes time to get rid, it's what idiot gave him that contract.

 

[MJJ]

That's a ridiculous comparison.
None of them had interational recognition like Rojo has. People are acting as if we have signed an unknown. We havent , this guy was a regular fixture in a defense which reached the WC final.

Its as valid a comparison as the one with vidic,evra.

Ashley young had international recognition as well, and argentina defense wasnt the reason why they made it to the WC final.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Evra played for monaco and was a star in a team that reached the CL final. Royo did well in a league were bebe was a star after failing spectacularly in a league were vidic was simply immense in.

Hes ok as cover. However we need someone better in the defense

You're underrating portuguese league just because Bebe excelled there. Strange argument.
Just to remind you, Ronaldo came from that exact Portuguese league.

 

[KM]

Bayern recent first team signings and the signings who help them dominate europe.

Lewandowski
Gotze
Martinez
Alcantara
Ribery
Neuer
Dante
Manzudic


Other than the last two, all were "names" as you termed them. Skinting on players is never going to get you to the top of europe unless you have an exceptional youth system.

Our team which dominated Europe had a back line of players from Russian League, French League and a goalkeeper from Fulham.

Two of our main attackers came from Argentinian and Portuguese league.

 

[Sad Chris]

Not sure, he (Jones) certainly has the acceleration here.

Actually that's Smalling...

 

[MJJ]

Our team which dominated Europe had a back line of players from Russian League, French League and a goalkeeper from Fulham.

Two of our main attackers came from Argentinian and Portuguese league.

Referring to Van der Sar as a goal keeper from Fulham to prove a point? hmmm.

Evra played a key role in monaco's CL run.

You are forgetting Ferdinand(25m plus), Rooney(25m plus), Hargreaves(17m plus), Tevez(25m loan). Even ronaldo falls under the category of being a player with big hype rather than an underwhelming signing as pickled puts it.

And what happened to that team once we started bargain hunting instead of continuing the trend of signing big names and complementing them with smart purchases?

 

[KM]

Its as valid a comparison as the one with vidic,evra.

Ashley young had international recognition as well, and argentina defense wasnt the reason why they made it to the WC final.

No its not.

Evra was the part of a team which reached CL final and Vida was part of a Serbian defense which were quite awesome.

Argentina had one of the meanest defenses in the tournament and had the joint highest clean sheets in the World Cup. Messi was their man but Messi wasn't the reason why their defense was good.

 

[KM]

Referring to Van der Sar as a goal keeper from Fulham to prove a point? hmmm.

Evra played a key role in monaco's CL run.

You are forgetting Ferdinand(25m plus), Rooney(25m plus), Hargreaves(17m plus), Tevez(25m loan). Even ronaldo falls under the category of being a player with big hype rather than an underwhelming signing as pickled puts it.

And what happened to that team once we started bargain hunting instead of continuing the trend of signing big names and complementing them with smart purchases?

Well since you compared Rojo with Bebe etc..everything else seems like a sane comparison.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Its as valid a comparison as the one with vidic,evra.

Ashley young had international recognition as well, and argentina defense wasnt the reason why they made it to the WC final.

Yeah I guess the fact they didnt concede a goal in the KO stages till the final didnt have anything with them reaching the final..

And Evra was a key member in Monaco CL run, but Rojo didnt have aynthing with Argentinian defense being very good at the WC..

All right..