2010: Wayne Rooney

There is no denying the fact that we have been poor in the transfer windows following Ronaldo and Tevez's departure. Fergie thought some of the 'value' signings he made such as Obertan, Bebe, Tosic, Diouf, Powell, Zaha, Angelo Henriquez etc would go on to establish themselves in the first team squad. He was probably trying to model his signings after the examples of Vidic and Evra rather than the likes of Rooney, Berbatov or Veron. The only exception to his transfer strategy was RVP who was well worth his value of 24 mil for a brilliant 30 goal a season striker.

In hindsight it didn't work out but I am sure many of us weren't too uncomfortable when Fergie was operating under this model. I know we didn't sign the big names like Sneijder, Hazard and Lucas during this period but we had complete faith in Fergie. I was rather excited at seeing his value signings like Obertan, Bebe, Henriquez, Smalling, Jones and Powell develop than be disappointed at missing out on the 'big names'. Fergie also placed his faith in some of the guys from the academy with the likes of Cleverley, Ravel Morrison, Pogba, Tunnicliffe and Welbeck being trusted to play a big part in our future. It didn't work out the way I thought it would but I had no qualms about the way Fergie operated at that time. In fact it would have been a perfectly sustainable model had we shown a bit more nous in the promising youngsters we targeted and were more competitive occasionally when the player we chased really mattered (Hazard, Lucas etc). Whether it was Fergie's judgement which was poor when it came to the younger transfer targets or whether the scouting department were poor or both we won't really know. I also have no idea if Fergie was really obstinate when it came to transfer/agent fees or whether there were restrictions placed on him. We see the club splashing the cash now because they don't have a choice and the squad is in dire need of reinforcement.

Rooney at that point of time didn't have the advantage of the hindsight that we now possess. His and his agent objective was fairly simple, to get more money. His concern that the club wasn't spending more money was just a facade/false justification to achieve his ulterior motive. At that point of time we had just lost out the title to a brilliant record-setting Chelsea by a single point and went out of the CL to LVG's Bayern unfairly due to Rafael's dismissal. Rooney was brilliant during that course of the season and his absence and Berbatov's inability to step up were the prime reasons why we 'failed' at the business end of the season. It wasn't as though we weren't competitive or were dire. There was no reason to panic and no one was doubting Fergie or the squad at that time. We wished for star signings as we always do but there was no clamour for it. The very fact that the next season we went on to win the league and reach the final of the Champions League shows it. I am not buying the theory that Rooney predicted a demise 4-5 years ahead which was the result of many factors with poor investment/transfer dealings just being one of them. He was United's best player at that point of time and England's best player as well. He just used his status and importance to the team to strongarm United into handing him a better contract. If he was really concerned about the state of the team he should have just left United as he was disillusioned at the signings we were making. He didn't. Neither did he say anything about it when we bought De Gea, Jones and Young the next season.... Hardly top players at that time were they? His sole purpose was to get an improved contract. Simple.
 
Annoyingly, he was right, but I still have massive issues with him for doing what he did and massive issues with the fanbase that forgave him straight away and effective made the club seem smaller and less powerful than it's own players.

That said, we may have declined but so has he. He's fecking crap nowadays.

Most of us never really forgave him but rather just accepted him back into the fold because he was a quality and an integral part of the team. He could go on to break records and win more titles for United but I don't think he will be thought of in the same light as some of our legends like Bobby Charlton, Ryan Giggs or George Best. Rooney won't really leave a legacy behind like these guys did but I doubt he really cares about stuff like that other than the dough he gets. He is still a good player mind you and not fecking crap. The whole team form-wise is fecking crap but quality wise most of our players still have it.
 
Once again I think Rooney was wrong in this case. But, what gets me is that he did not say anything that many supporters were not saying at the time. Many were complaining about us not signing big players in the market and some still complain about that. So I find it strange those same people castigate Rooney for airing similar grievances.
 
I always feel Rooney is a genuine person - despite many on hear painting him as a machiavellian money grabber.

I said at the time and maintain now that Rooney had genuine concerns. At the time I thought his concerns were misplaced, but in hindsight he was right. The club flapped around in the transfer market for a good few seasons after Ronaldo left.

I completely agree with you.

And I'd add that it's pretty much a certainty that Wayne Rooney cares more about Manchester United being successful than anyone criticising him on the internet does.

He has, after all, given more or less his entire career to this club...
 
Sorry for not sticking entirely to the topic :mad:

No worries about what you said: he should have been sold a couple of years ago. The only thing I think is worth considering is what if it's his agent who is the plank and he's just thick?
 
He was right and people began to hate him for it despite the fact that they themselves had been making the same complaints. Now we're reaping what we sewed in those years and have to do a quick patch up job.
 
Rooney was pissed that United sold the best player in the world and replaced with valencia and Owen. Yes valencia was very good but no old beater.
 
Rooney was pissed that United sold the best player in the world and replaced with valencia and Owen. Yes valencia was very good but no old beater.

Fair enough, lets assume he was genuinely pissed at the lack of 'world class' signings in 2010 when Valencia, Owen and Obertan came and had no ulterior motives. Then he signed a new contract and was presumably given assurances on the transfer policy. So can you explain why he didn't make any noises about his unhappiness when we signed De Gea, Young and Jones the next season? Hardly the top players that Rooney wanted to play with were they?

No he kept his gob shut because he had got the bumper contract he had strong-armed United into, being their best player and more importantly due to United's success as well. If he was at say Arsenal where they were going through a drought and he claimed he was disenchanted by Arsenal's unambitious transfer policy then fine, he had a point. Not at 2010 at United, he did not...
 
Hardly the top players that Rooney wanted to play with were they?

Like you'd know that.

Keeper of the future, reliable English International and promising talent that "might become the greatest United player". Why would he be disappointed in signing those guys again?
 
If Rooney had been at his best we'd have been more likely to win things, so he need only look at himself
 
Like you'd know that.

Keeper of the future, reliable English International and promising talent that "might become the greatest United player". Why would he be disappointed in signing those guys again?

He clearly indicated he was disappointed at the lack of top players that the club was buying. So tell me without the benefit of hindsight that if they were the top players that Rooney wanted United to buy? I am not doubting the potential or quality of Jones and De Gea but think about the context of what Rooney said in 2010 and what happened during the next transfer window...
 
It was the loss of manager, not talent, that sunk the Titanic. Moot point from way back when.
 
Of course Rooney's concerns
For those slating Rooney, he made these comments after these two summer transfer windows:

2009:
Out: Tevez, Ronaldo
In: Valencia, Owen, Obertan, Diouf

2010:
In: Hernandez, Bebe

You can see why he was concerned, can't you? City meanwhile we're busy adding the likes of Silva and Toure to their squad.

Rooney came out after the 10-11 season and seemed genuinely humbled and embarrassed after we won back the title and reached the CL final - "how wrong was I?" he said. However we didn't push on from there and I think his earlier concerns were still justified, as became more evident in the following seasons.



I know this doesn't fit with the anti-Rooney vibe on here, but whatever I like Rooney, I think he's a good bloke really, and despite what popular culture might suggest I think he's pretty smart too (in some senses). He's clearly smarter than your average Caftard, which admittedly isn't saying a lot.
Completely agreed.
 
The previous season we were within 1 offside goal of the title (Chelsea at OT) and had been knocked out by LvG's Bayern on away goals in the CL QFs after an unfortunate red card, a deflected late goal in the 1st leg, a brainfart by Evra, another by Neville, an injury to Rooney, and a wondergoal by Robben.


The next season we cruised to #19 with Rooney, then clearly our main man, MIA till February, and reached the CL Final. Where we were outclassed by Barca, partly because they were indeed different class, partly because Fergie's tactics exposed this instead of covering our vulnerabilities.
We still had Rio-Vidic best in the world, Evra world class, Fabio in the 1st team, Fletcher at his peak, Carrick reliable, Nani POTY, Anderson sporadically impressing, Berba golden boot, Hernandez and Park enjoying their best years...Most of all we still had an ageing but still effective Scholes and Giggs able to put in some good performances.
We beat Arsenal twice, Pool, Chelsea thrice, City that year.


I thought the transfer windows we screwed up were after summer 2011, when we should have got a Scholes replacement (after his 1st retirement)- a top class CM (Moutinho, Sahin, maybe Sneijder :p), and a partner for Nani from the left (I think di Maria, Gaitan and Hazard were targets at that point).
Instead we went for Young, Jones and brought in Cleverley. Valencia and Cleverley's good 2011-12 seasons sort of covered up those weaknesses, and then, we again ignored those areas, going for RvP. But I thought the 6-1 and the Bilbao games were the wake up call we definitely didn't heed.

Thiago + someone like Song, and a winger (Shaqiri? Salah? Willian?) in the Fellaini window, and we would still have been ok.


I think the current buying spree is quite over-the-top. Madrid-esque.
 
There is no denying the fact that we have been poor in the transfer windows following Ronaldo and Tevez's departure. Fergie thought some of the 'value' signings he made such as Obertan, Bebe, Tosic, Diouf, Powell, Zaha, Angelo Henriquez etc would go on to establish themselves in the first team squad. He was probably trying to model his signings after the examples of Vidic and Evra rather than the likes of Rooney, Berbatov or Veron. The only exception to his transfer strategy was RVP who was well worth his value of 24 mil for a brilliant 30 goal a season striker.

In hindsight it didn't work out but I am sure many of us weren't too uncomfortable when Fergie was operating under this model. I know we didn't sign the big names like Sneijder, Hazard and Lucas during this period but we had complete faith in Fergie. I was rather excited at seeing his value signings like Obertan, Bebe, Henriquez, Smalling, Jones and Powell develop than be disappointed at missing out on the 'big names'. Fergie also placed his faith in some of the guys from the academy with the likes of Cleverley, Ravel Morrison, Pogba, Tunnicliffe and Welbeck being trusted to play a big part in our future. It didn't work out the way I thought it would but I had no qualms about the way Fergie operated at that time. In fact it would have been a perfectly sustainable model had we shown a bit more nous in the promising youngsters we targeted and were more competitive occasionally when the player we chased really mattered (Hazard, Lucas etc). Whether it was Fergie's judgement which was poor when it came to the younger transfer targets or whether the scouting department were poor or both we won't really know. I also have no idea if Fergie was really obstinate when it came to transfer/agent fees or whether there were restrictions placed on him. We see the club splashing the cash now because they don't have a choice and the squad is in dire need of reinforcement.

Rooney at that point of time didn't have the advantage of the hindsight that we now possess. His and his agent objective was fairly simple, to get more money. His concern that the club wasn't spending more money was just a facade/false justification to achieve his ulterior motive. At that point of time we had just lost out the title to a brilliant record-setting Chelsea by a single point and went out of the CL to LVG's Bayern unfairly due to Rafael's dismissal. Rooney was brilliant during that course of the season and his absence and Berbatov's inability to step up were the prime reasons why we 'failed' at the business end of the season. It wasn't as though we weren't competitive or were dire. There was no reason to panic and no one was doubting Fergie or the squad at that time. We wished for star signings as we always do but there was no clamour for it. The very fact that the next season we went on to win the league and reach the final of the Champions League shows it. I am not buying the theory that Rooney predicted a demise 4-5 years ahead which was the result of many factors with poor investment/transfer dealings just being one of them. He was United's best player at that point of time and England's best player as well. He just used his status and importance to the team to strongarm United into handing him a better contract. If he was really concerned about the state of the team he should have just left United as he was disillusioned at the signings we were making. He didn't. Neither did he say anything about it when we bought De Gea, Jones and Young the next season.... Hardly top players at that time were they? His sole purpose was to get an improved contract. Simple.
Powell is only 19 and has had to take a step up to a stronger league, he can still make it here.
 
Powell is only 19 and has had to take a step up to a stronger league, he can still make it here.

Yeah hope so, made a mistake including him in the initial list of players. Maybe even Zaha as well but that looks extremely unlikely. Powell still has a chance at making it here and hope he gets a loan move to a club in the EPL. What happened to those Leicester rumors?
 
Yeah hope so, made a mistake including him in the initial list of players. Maybe even Zaha as well but that looks extremely unlikely. Powell still has a chance at making it here and hope he gets a loan move to a club in the EPL. What happened to those Leicester rumors?
Zaha should be doing better, the championship is more competitive than the PL I reckon and shouldn't be too much of a step up. Its his attitude though imo. Powell needs a good premier league/top half championship team loan and we'll see how he does.