Pep Guardiola's Bayern

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I understand wanting the players to eat immediately after as it's probably proven to be most effective but I'd be pissed if I was going to be fined because I wanted to eat with my family. Bad idea if you ask me. Surely he could have easily compromised in some way. Or taking phone calls on the first floor, what's the point in fining people for that. It just seems like a lot of his rules are incredibly annoying more than necessary

They're professional football players. That doesn't make their body the property of the club, but it's not too far off. Don't you think? These kinds of rules are not too unfamiliar for athletes. I don't believe this is such a big deal.
 
They're professional football players. That doesn't make their body the property of the club, but it's not too far off. Don't you think? These kinds of rules are not too unfamiliar for athletes. I don't believe this is such a big deal.

Exactly - cyclists possibly took it a bit far with regimented doping but certainly regimented eating is not unusual for top athletes - I know MMA fighters / boxers and their training camps are brutally regimented. Similarly rules about taking calls is simply professionalism as far as I can see - this is a place of work and you don't take personal calls here - many companies have similar rules - a company I worked for even banned people making calls outside the front of the office as people were constantly running out there to take personal calls and it set the wrong impression for anyone walking in.

Hopefully the rules prove too much for muller, gotze, thiago, badstuber and alaba and they all decide they want to move to us - but lets be honest not taking personal calls at work is hardly a reason to walk out on arguably the best club in the world
 
Exactly - cyclists possibly took it a bit far with regimented doping but certainly regimented eating is not unusual for top athletes - I know MMA fighters / boxers and their training camps are brutally regimented. Similarly rules about taking calls is simply professionalism as far as I can see - this is a place of work and you don't take personal calls here - many companies have similar rules - a company I worked for even banned people making calls outside the front of the office as people were constantly running out there to take personal calls and it set the wrong impression for anyone walking in.

Hopefully the rules prove too much for muller, gotze, thiago, badstuber and alaba and they all decide they want to move to us - but lets be honest not taking personal calls at work is hardly a reason to walk out on arguably the best club in the world

Not sure why you specifically chose those players but Guardiola was very strict at Barcelona too so I'm sure Thiago will be fine or he wouldn't have been keen to rejoin Pep.
 
Exactly - cyclists possibly took it a bit far with regimented doping but certainly regimented eating is not unusual for top athletes - I know MMA fighters / boxers and their training camps are brutally regimented. Similarly rules about taking calls is simply professionalism as far as I can see - this is a place of work and you don't take personal calls here - many companies have similar rules - a company I worked for even banned people making calls outside the front of the office as people were constantly running out there to take personal calls and it set the wrong impression for anyone walking in.

Hopefully the rules prove too much for muller, gotze, thiago, badstuber and alaba and they all decide they want to move to us - but lets be honest not taking personal calls at work is hardly a reason to walk out on arguably the best club in the world

The spanish can be a bit paranoid about eating and sports, though.
Manolo Saiz, manager of the "ONCE" cycling team, did, among other things, order his riders to train so-and-so many km *before* breakfast. To control that (cyclists train at their respective homebases mostly, so a given team could be spread around the world), he equipped them with cycling computers with a logging function and had the reports sent to him daily.

At the "tour de france", his riders got to eat spaghetti with tomato sauce every morning and evening *exclusively*. When once one of his riders had to withdraw with stomach problems, he suspected the tomato sauce so it was just spaghetti with butter from then on.
 
He has a tough group to navigate now doesn't he. City are getting more experienced in Europe and were one goal away from topping the group last season. Roma seems to be a fine team under Garcia and they will have something to play for when they meet 'mercenary' Mehdi's new team. Travelling to Russia to play isn't the easiest of prospects either. Not saying they won't qualify but there is serious competition and there is a chance they might finish second or even fail to qualify. I think CL performances will be vital for Pep this season after the way they went out last season.

We have one of the 3 best squads in football. We should go trough in 8 of 10 times.
BUT the bosses know how football works. IF we go out playing great they will take it.
I hope for the next CL title. What a team we have. If we will reach the KO rounds and all are back we could rock hard.
Very happy right now.
 
We have one of the 3 best squads in football. We should go trough in 8 of 10 times.
BUT the bosses know how football works. IF we go out playing great they will take it.
I hope for the next CL title. What a team we have. If we will reach the KO rounds and all are back we could rock hard.
Very happy right now.

Yes we do have a team, a magnificent one. We even might rock hard in this season (and i hope we do :D)
But: We also have 7 players that were active in the WC until the final, more than any other team. And we have a few badly injured key players.
Bayern was great the last couple of years also because it was a team that had grown for a few years with only minor changes in the personnel, and i doubt by simply buying a couple of new players and throwing them in the tam will make up for that 100%. this is real world and not FM or FIFA.
 
Yes we do have a team, a magnificent one. We even might rock hard in this season (and i hope we do :D)
But: We also have 7 players that were active in the WC until the final, more than any other team. And we have a few badly injured key players.
Bayern was great the last couple of years also because it was a team that had grown for a few years with only minor changes in the personnel, and i doubt by simply buying a couple of new players and throwing them in the tam will make up for that 100%. this is real world and not FM or FIFA.

True. We could have a hard spell around october when the WC players have problems.
But to be honest; we can handle a few lost points the Bundesliga. And Hamburg in the cup isnt so hard either.
The CL so could become a problem. We need to win the first game against City. Then the others could take so much off another that we should handle that.
But Im with you. We need a bit of luck till the winter break.
 
He has a tough group to navigate now doesn't he. City are getting more experienced in Europe and were one goal away from topping the group last season. Roma seems to be a fine team under Garcia and they will have something to play for when they meet 'mercenary' Mehdi's new team. Travelling to Russia to play isn't the easiest of prospects either. Not saying they won't qualify but there is serious competition and there is a chance they might finish second or even fail to qualify. I think CL performances will be vital for Pep this season after the way they went out last season.

The problems with this guys in the last 2 years were not the difficult matches. It was sometimes the easy matches in which there was more danger that they struggle.
 
Bayerns team that did not play last saturday:

----------Pizarro
Ribery----Thiago-----Robben
--Schweinsteiger-Martinez--
Bernat-Dante-Benatia-Rafinha
-----------Reina-----------
 
Trying to outdo Klopp in injuring his own players. Boateng's face.

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I understand wanting the players to eat immediately after as it's probably proven to be most effective but I'd be pissed if I was going to be fined because I wanted to eat with my family. Bad idea if you ask me. Surely he could have easily compromised in some way. Or taking phone calls on the first floor, what's the point in fining people for that. It just seems like a lot of his rules are incredibly annoying more than necessary

It wasn't such a problem, but when you don't fine them or do any disciplinary it'll undermine his authority. There are small stupid rules in workplace that's there and serves no purpose, but breaking them would mean that one can't follow the rules and a show of arrogance.

Remember how they made you tuck your uniform at school?
 
Genuinely don't want him here. His suffocating style has no place in old trafford.
Agree.

He's got a great football vision and is a winner. But that Bayern team under Heynckes although it only last for a season was so good and the way they played was almost perfect.

And although this Bayren team is still winning trophy's they are simply not as good to watch and a part of that will be down to Guardiola.

Like most people have said Klopp would be the perfect fit for United after LVG.(Although it normally ends in tears with LVG I would love if he did think about staying long term at United)
 
The image that football under Heynckes was 'perfect' is a mere illusion, especially the belief that Bayern would have been able to continue dominating Europe in that stile. There's a reason why a number of players had their best best season in years in 2012/13 and that was the humiliating defeat against Chelsea in the UCL final. You cannot repeat the unrelenting will and unparalleled effort every single player invested into this treble winning season, to make the events of Munich 2012 disappear.

Furthermore the game-plan of Heynckes had the major flaw as could be seen every time Schweinsteiger and Ribéry were missing or not performing. Luckily both of those injury-prone players were available for the majority of the season (unlike last year). As soon as that happened, we became the direst of teams resembling the old Ottmar Hitzfeld stile (Arsenal at home, away against Borisow). Let's also keep in mind that we were very luck when it comes to influencing the flow of the game. I recall Alaba's absurdly deflected long-range effort against Juventus, which set the entire tone of the tie after 30 seconds or Müller's wobbly slow-motion cross to Kroos which somehow avoided every Arsenal defender in opening minutes of the round of sixteen. Afterwards Barcelona was exactly the best possible match-up for Heynckes stile of play.

Yes, the treble-winning season was spectacular at times, but I think we've already seen Guardiola's Bayern surpass the level of Heynckes last year. The only thing we need to work on is consistency and that's sadly a lot harder than it sounds.
 
Peoples are so quick to jump off the Guardiola bandwagon after a few negative reports. He raised the standards by a few notches after his work with Barca and its obvious that he will fall off a bit. He's still one of the best coaches in the world and I really doubt he will go on to be a failure at Bayern.
 
I thought his reaction after he screwed up the pass to Bernat was brilliant. Complete perfectionist.

Edit: @Ruht - great timing!
 
Peoples are so quick to jump off the Guardiola bandwagon after a few negative reports. He raised the standards by a few notches after his work with Barca and its obvious that he will fall off a bit. He's still one of the best coaches in the world and I really doubt he will go on to be a failure at Bayern.

I thought they played a more direct style of football last night.

Alonso was fantastic. His anticipation at times was unbelievable.
 
The image that football under Heynckes was 'perfect' is a mere illusion, especially the belief that Bayern would have been able to continue dominating Europe in that stile. There's a reason why a number of players had their best best season in years in 2012/13 and that was the humiliating defeat against Chelsea in the UCL final. You cannot repeat the unrelenting will and unparalleled effort every single player invested into this treble winning season, to make the events of Munich 2012 disappear.

Furthermore the game-plan of Heynckes had the major flaw as could be seen every time Schweinsteiger and Ribéry were missing or not performing. Luckily both of those injury-prone players were available for the majority of the season (unlike last year). As soon as that happened, we became the direst of teams resembling the old Ottmar Hitzfeld stile (Arsenal at home, away against Borisow). Let's also keep in mind that we were very luck when it comes to influencing the flow of the game. I recall Alaba's absurdly deflected long-range effort against Juventus, which set the entire tone of the tie after 30 seconds or Müller's wobbly slow-motion cross to Kroos which somehow avoided every Arsenal defender in opening minutes of the round of sixteen. Afterwards Barcelona was exactly the best possible match-up for Heynckes stile of play.

Yes, the treble-winning season was spectacular at times, but I think we've already seen Guardiola's Bayern surpass the level of Heynckes last year. The only thing we need to work on is consistency and that's sadly a lot harder than it sounds.
it should be a mandatory to read that before posting in this threat. great post
 
The image that football under Heynckes was 'perfect' is a mere illusion, especially the belief that Bayern would have been able to continue dominating Europe in that stile. There's a reason why a number of players had their best best season in years in 2012/13 and that was the humiliating defeat against Chelsea in the UCL final. You cannot repeat the unrelenting will and unparalleled effort every single player invested into this treble winning season, to make the events of Munich 2012 disappear.

Furthermore the game-plan of Heynckes had the major flaw as could be seen every time Schweinsteiger and Ribéry were missing or not performing. Luckily both of those injury-prone players were available for the majority of the season (unlike last year). As soon as that happened, we became the direst of teams resembling the old Ottmar Hitzfeld stile (Arsenal at home, away against Borisow). Let's also keep in mind that we were very luck when it comes to influencing the flow of the game. I recall Alaba's absurdly deflected long-range effort against Juventus, which set the entire tone of the tie after 30 seconds or Müller's wobbly slow-motion cross to Kroos which somehow avoided every Arsenal defender in opening minutes of the round of sixteen. Afterwards Barcelona was exactly the best possible match-up for Heynckes stile of play.

Yes, the treble-winning season was spectacular at times, but I think we've already seen Guardiola's Bayern surpass the level of Heynckes last year. The only thing we need to work on is consistency and that's sadly a lot harder than it sounds.

I don't think it's an "illusion" but more a matter of taste. People who are against Guardiola often are because of his football philosophy. Not because it is bad, even though a lot of people tried to paint his philosophy as dead already, but mainly because they don't like the extreme possession style he encourages. Well at least that's how it is for me. I will always prefer Klopp's style of football over that of Guardiola even though Guardiola is probably the better tactician I will never fall in love with his style of football but that's just a matter of personal taste and I guess for a lot of people on here it's just the same. I think this is the main reason some people on here say they don't want him to coach us, they simply don't like his brand of football.
 
its a bit ironic that the caf is hailing LvG and desperately wants that the team adapts his "philosophy". He introduced possession based football to bayern and the bundesliga.
Nobody can really argue about taste, so if you think that one style is more entertaining than the other, fair play to you. But most poster argue differently; at least between the lines they argue that Pep changed the perfect strategy into something inferior. The outstanding thing in the treble winning season wasnt tactics, but personal performance and the mentality. Its impossible to recreate that, because it was a direct result of the defeat in the "finale dahoam" (final at home).

Personally I am annoyed by a couple of Pep´s decisons, but I am also convinced that he is the best manager we could have right now and it was the right decision to retire Heynckes. He isnt perfect - no manager is - but he is the right coach at the right time.
 
Is Nologo a Bayern fan? Would you want Klopp as your next manager if so? (They nick everything else from BVB so why not?!)
 
Is Nologo a Bayern fan? Would you want Klopp as your next manager if so? (They nick everything else from BVB so why not?!)
I am sure that Bayern and their fans wouldn't mind if Klopp managed them in the future, but I am 100% certain it will never happen. If Klopp ever leaves Dortmund, it will never be to go to Bayern.
 
I am sure that Bayern and their fans wouldn't mind if Klopp managed them in the future, but I am 100% certain it will never happen. If Klopp ever leaves Dortmund, it will never be to go to Bayern.

He's very hardcore Dortmund for sure, but he's young(ish) for a coach and he has a long career ahead of him. He's a Schwabe and managed Mainz for a long time, so he's not got any other connection to Dortmund. I could see it in 5-10 years time.
 
I don't think it's an "illusion" but more a matter of taste. People who are against Guardiola often are because of his football philosophy. Not because it is bad, even though a lot of people tried to paint his philosophy as dead already, but mainly because they don't like the extreme possession style he encourages. Well at least that's how it is for me. I will always prefer Klopp's style of football over that of Guardiola even though Guardiola is probably the better tactician I will never fall in love with his style of football but that's just a matter of personal taste and I guess for a lot of people on here it's just the same. I think this is the main reason some people on here say they don't want him to coach us, they simply don't like his brand of football.

Yep I think you're completely right about that. I guess that's why I like Guardiola so much, I enjoy the style of football he gets his teams playing (even if others don't) and for me the Barcelona side he managed is the best I've ever seen. I didn't want to miss a single match when they were in their prime.

On the other hand, you do get a lot of ignorant people who think what he does is easy, or that anyone could manage the teams he managed. Can accept the style of play criticisms, but can't accept that anyone could achieve what he did.
 
The image that football under Heynckes was 'perfect' is a mere illusion, especially the belief that Bayern would have been able to continue dominating Europe in that stile. There's a reason why a number of players had their best best season in years in 2012/13 and that was the humiliating defeat against Chelsea in the UCL final. You cannot repeat the unrelenting will and unparalleled effort every single player invested into this treble winning season, to make the events of Munich 2012 disappear.

Furthermore the game-plan of Heynckes had the major flaw as could be seen every time Schweinsteiger and Ribéry were missing or not performing. Luckily both of those injury-prone players were available for the majority of the season (unlike last year). As soon as that happened, we became the direst of teams resembling the old Ottmar Hitzfeld stile (Arsenal at home, away against Borisow). Let's also keep in mind that we were very luck when it comes to influencing the flow of the game. I recall Alaba's absurdly deflected long-range effort against Juventus, which set the entire tone of the tie after 30 seconds or Müller's wobbly slow-motion cross to Kroos which somehow avoided every Arsenal defender in opening minutes of the round of sixteen. Afterwards Barcelona was exactly the best possible match-up for Heynckes stile of play.

Yes, the treble-winning season was spectacular at times, but I think we've already seen Guardiola's Bayern surpass the level of Heynckes last year. The only thing we need to work on is consistency and that's sadly a lot harder than it sounds.
oh please, no way this team is reaching that teams' level. You're looking for negatives in the heynckes team at the end where there simply weren't any.
 
its a bit ironic that the caf is hailing LvG and desperately wants that the team adapts his "philosophy". He introduced possession based football to bayern and the bundesliga.
Nobody can really argue about taste, so if you think that one style is more entertaining than the other, fair play to you. But most poster argue differently; at least between the lines they argue that Pep changed the perfect strategy into something inferior. The outstanding thing in the treble winning season wasnt tactics, but personal performance and the mentality. Its impossible to recreate that, because it was a direct result of the defeat in the "finale dahoam" (final at home).

Personally I am annoyed by a couple of Pep´s decisons, but I am also convinced that he is the best manager we could have right now and it was the right decision to retire Heynckes. He isnt perfect - no manager is - but he is the right coach at the right time.
Nope, the tactics was what made that team the juggernaut it was. Basically the team could approach different matches with different approaches and still look by far the better team on the pitch.
 
oh please, no way this team is reaching that teams' level. You're looking for negatives in the heynckes team at the end where there simply weren't any.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that part was crazy.
 
you obviously havent watched the whole campaign, so its impossible to argue with you.
i did and yes the players did play very well and were obviously highly motivated but if you couldn't see how much the tactical variation of that team impacted the success of the side then you're right, this argument isn't worth having.
 
Nope, the tactics was what made that team the juggernaut it was. Basically the team could approach different matches with different approaches and still look by far the better team on the pitch.

Nothing they do not do now.

Everybody talks about the Heynckes team - but the team they talk of was the one he had to change his team to with Kroos being injured. Until March Robben was a benchwarmer and Kroos the no. 10. The tactics then were nearer to Pep's of last year whereas the tactics after March where somehow a switch back to van Gaal offense with Heynckes defense.

And that first Heynckes team of that season was rather boring. Müller and Mandzukic often saved them with late goals out of nothing as the main idea was somehow being patient and wait on the mistakes of the opponent - not really forcing the wins.
 
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that part was crazy.
Its actually quite shocking to be honest. That team lost something like 3 games in all competition throughout that season and yet its believed it can be bettered. Their total record was something like 54 games, 46 wins, 5 draws and 3 loses. 151 goals scored and 33 goals conceded. Better than anything Pep produced at Barcelona yet someone believes he could this bayern side has somehow eclipsed that in some form or another.
 
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