[devilish]

Most likely a 21 year old who has never played the game FFS, will you have a word with yourself. Saying that, I don’t play Football manager so you are most likely an expert on all things football
I'll tell you someone who’s played the game and rated him highly, Sir Alex Ferguson, or do you and other members of RedCafe know more than him? David Moyes also rated him as does LVG it seems.

Not one person has been able to argue that Evans is as shit as they are making out, yet I’m the one not showing any basis for an argument. What I’ve read in the last few pages.
He was clearly at fault for Leicesters first goal – Wrong, it’s been discussed to death.
He’s been shit so far this season – Wrong, with the exception of the MK Dons game he has played well, we've looked more solid at the back before he went off injured against Leicester.
Blackett looks more experienced – Wrong. He has made massive mistakes this season, that’s to be expected as he is young and learning.
Hes not Rio or Vidic – Correct, not many are, also we have to remember those two built up a fantastic relationship, none of our CBs have had a chance to do that.
He's injury prone - Correct.


I could go on but I can’t be arsed.

SAF believed that Cleverley was as good as Thiago Alcantara which speaks volumes on how biased he had become at late. Moyes and VG weren't given enough time to assess the defense. However the latter has already added 2 defenders to the team (Rojo and Shaw), he had promoted Blackett and he also bought Blind who can play in defense. Considering that we would probably add more defenders in the next few months I seriously doubt that he rates Evans very much.

 

[Bwuk]

I've been watching a few Vidic videos, and it's just striking how much of a wimp Evans is in comparison to Vida.

What I wouldn't do for a prime Vidic back in this side

 

[Van Piorsing]

Useless as English lazy brigade that still sucking up wages and life from this club like cancer.

 

[Speedicut75]

Useless as English lazy brigade that still sucking up wages and life from this club like cancer.

"Lazy brigade"? How does being injured translate to being lazy? If you want to make a reasoned argument that the English players aren't talented, then fair enough, I'm sure many would agree, but why use the term "lazy" to describe the English contingent at the club?

 

[bosnian_red]

I think we should cut our losses with him at the end of the season, or January even. Smalling too, and then bring in a couple of defenders who will actually be fit most of the time or just generally not make mistakes every game. Right now, having them in the team is holding us back and keeping us from bringing in other defenders pretty much.

 

[golden_blunder]

Useless as English lazy brigade that still sucking up wages and life from this club like cancer.

who?

 

[golden_blunder]

I've been watching a few Vidic videos, and it's just striking how much of a wimp Evans is in comparison to Vida.

What I wouldn't do for a prime Vidic back in this side

you mean any defender compared to Vidic

 

[Bwuk]

you mean any defender compared to Vidic

True, but even the likes of Wes Brown were a lot harder than Jonny Evans.

 

[golden_blunder]

True, but even the likes of Wes Brown were a lot harder than Jonny Evans.

whilst i like the hard nut defenders myself, you dont particularly have to be, for example Rio. His game was based on positioning and timing. Like Evans. Problem with Evans is he needs a run of games to play into proper form but injuries keep holding him back, he's now 26 so he should be looking how to minimize the constant stop-start due to injuries.

 

[Gannicus]

It's more than just injuries with Jonny. He lacks the tools required to be a great defender. He could be a solid defendrr for Newcastle or even Everton, but never a great defender for United.

 

[Van Piorsing]

"Lazy brigade"? How does being injured translate to being lazy? If you want to make a reasoned argument that the English players aren't talented, then fair enough, I'm sure many would agree, but why use the term "lazy" to describe the English contingent at the club?

They are not only talentless but also lazy and can't even learn how to avoid serious responsibility about their own health. Few years ago Sir Alex gave Phil Jones and other players like even Rafael advices to watch with their reckless tackling and getting too easy into dangerous challenges. Didn't help too much. Smalling looks like a monster but can't even protect himself from inevitable 'death' on the pitch. It's really laughable when you'll see that they spend more time on focusing about their own asses than this club.

I hope we won't tolerate this like Arsenal did for so long because this is a bunch of infantile bullshit. You take responsibilities or you pack your toys and move on.

 

[Van Piorsing]

who?

Apart from Carrick and sometimes Rooney...


Thankfully two of the main lazy fecks are gone.

 

[golden_blunder]

It's more than just injuries with Jonny. He lacks the tools required to be a great defender. He could be a solid defendrr for Newcastle or even Everton, but never a great defender for United.

I dont think thats fair to say that yet. He did show what a good defender he was alongside Vidic in the record breaking run. Problem is that he needs a leader beside him. He isnt a natural leader himself.

 

[golden_blunder]

Apart from Carrick and sometimes Rooney...


Thankfully two of the main lazy fecks are gone.

Sorry but thats complete rubbish. You might be able to criticise them for not having the desired quality but you cant criticise them for being lazy. Im sure some whizzkid will supplement this with stats to show how far they run etc.

Also I'd add that its a bit racist to say that its the lazy English

 

[Loublaze]

It's more than just injuries with Jonny. He lacks the tools required to be a great defender. He could be a solid defendrr for Newcastle or even Everton, but never a great defender for United.

This.

I mentioned this in a post yesterday, Everton is his level, and only if he can stay fit. People are very sentimental when it comes to Evans, but in reality what are we getting from him? I hope this is his last season at OT. We've lost good servants at the club before like Wes Brown and John O'Shea and the time was right, its certainly the right time to cut our losses on Evans.

 

[mufcwarm92]

It's more than just injuries with Jonny. He lacks the tools required to be a great defender. He could be a solid defendrr for Newcastle or even Everton, but never a great defender for United.

That's your opinion. Mine is that he's our best defender, an opinion I share with many.

This.

I mentioned this in a post yesterday, Everton is his level, and only if he can stay fit. People are very sentimental when it comes to Evans, but in reality what are we getting from him? I hope this is his last season at OT. We've lost good servants at the club before like Wes Brown and John O'Shea and the time was right, its certainly the right time to cut our losses on Evans.

Again, that's opinion, not fact. I'm really struggling with your logic - you want rid of our only defender over the age of 25 when we're struggling in that position.

He's struggled with injuries, to the extent it's becoming a real problem, but I think he's shown on countless occasions that he's United quality.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Sorry but thats complete rubbish. You might be able to criticise them for not having the desired quality but you cant criticise them for being lazy. Im sure some whizzkid will supplement this with stats to show how far they run etc.

Also I'd add that its a bit racist to say that its the lazy English

So that's what this about ? How do you expect them to improve without some work on their own detriments. We can't expect from younger players harder work in the biggest club in the world ? Are feckin kidding me ? That's totally gonna lower the football standards.

I'm gonna say it again - English footballers are lazy. There are exceptions but this club has been flooded with overrated wave. Call it a racism. I don't give a feck if that's the only line of defense you have for them.

 

[mufcwarm92]

Useless as English lazy brigade that still sucking up wages and life from this club like cancer.

They are not only talentless but also lazy and can't even learn how to avoid serious responsibility about their own health. Few years ago Sir Alex gave Phil Jones and other players like even Rafael advices to watch with their reckless tackling and getting too easy into dangerous challenges. Didn't help too much. Smalling looks like a monster but can't even protect himself from inevitable 'death' on the pitch. It's really laughable when you'll see that they spend more time on focusing about their own asses than this club.

I hope we won't tolerate this like Arsenal did for so long because this is a bunch of infantile bullshit. You take responsibilities or you pack your toys and move on.

So that's what this about ? How do you expect them to improve without some work on their own detriments. We can't expect from younger players harder work in the biggest club in the world ? Are feckin kidding me ? That's totally gonna lower the football standards.

I'm gonna say it again - English footballers are lazy. There are exceptions but this club has been flooded with overrated wave. Call it a racism. I don't give a feck if that's the only line of defense you have for them.

Laughable? Have a little read of your own posts mate. Utter drivel.

 

[Loublaze]

That's your opinion. Mine is that he's our best defender, an opinion I share with many.

Again, that's opinion, not fact. I'm really struggling with your logic - you want rid of our only defender over the age of 25 when we're struggling in that position.

He's struggled with injuries, to the extent it's becoming a real problem, but I think he's shown on countless occasions that he's United quality.

He's only had one exceptional season here, 2010/11. He's not good enough for United. Not reliable enough either, he only played 2 out of 8 games against the top four teams last season. He can't play 4-5 games straight without breaking down, and when he plays you don't know when the next stupid brain fart will prove costly. Even if he was just a backup player you can't count on him to be always fit when called upon/needed. Only sentimental United fans rate Evans very highly, he's not even as good as Gary Cahill. Time to cut our losses.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Laughable? Have a little read of your own posts mate. Utter drivel.

At least I don't hide in the majority and I can actually express the current state of things but thank your for Your arguments. Such a great posts from your side on the matter.

 

[Getsme]

At least I don't hide in the majority and I can actually express the current state of things but thank your for Your arguments. Such a great posts from your side on the matter.

Hide in the majority?

 

[Van Piorsing]

Hide in the majority?

Do I look like an English teacher ?

 

[Getsme]

Do I look like an English teacher ?

I don't know, I can't see you?

 

[Van Piorsing]

I don't know, I can't see you?

Finally some good answer with a question.

 

[mufcwarm92]

At least I don't hide in the majority and I can actually express the current state of things but thank your for Your arguments. Such a great posts from your side on the matter.

What? What are you even trying to say?

Do I look like an English teacher ?

Well if you're going to make sweeping generalisations about the English, you should try speaking the language properly first.

 

[Van Piorsing]

What? What are you even trying to say?

Well if you're going to make sweeping generalisations about the English, you should try speaking the language properly first.

Keep raging and attacking. I'm sure that's what will make United play better.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He was looking like a proper top defender on the making at one point some years back.

 

[Van Piorsing]

He was looking like a proper top defender on the making at one point some years back.

As long as Vidic and Ferdinand were capable of sustaining defense in a good shape he looked tidy and cool. I can give him that.

Being oldest defender in the club now is probably too much pressure and responsibility. Sad outcome not because of the player but the amount of trust he received.

 

[All 3 United]

He's never been any good when we've been under sustained pressure. Not a good defender and he's contantly injured in anycase. I believe Sunderland offered circa £12m a few seasons ago, I thought at the time we should have snapped their hand off. Hopefully we will cut our losses sooner rather than later.

 

[Loublaze]

He's never been any good when we've been under sustained pressure. Not a good defender and he's contantly injured in anycase. I believe Sunderland offered circa £12m a few seasons ago, I thought at the time we should have snapped their hand off. Hopefully we will cut our losses sooner rather than later.

I remember that. TBH we'd be lucky to even get 8M for him now. 7 consecutive games in the last two seasons is just not good enough!

 

[Getsme]

He's never been any good when we've been under sustained pressure. Not a good defender and he's contantly injured in anycase. I believe Sunderland offered circa £12m a few seasons ago, I thought at the time we should have snapped their hand off. Hopefully we will cut our losses sooner rather than later.

FFS.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Not sure if some of you are being sarcastic or if its that time of the month again. Evans had been rated as our best defender on here numerous times, some of you have really short memories. A homegrown player who came through the system and whose family are United fans, we need more players like this, instead of flogging them out for peanuts. As been said before, he needs a Vidic or another commanding partner to play his best football. That partner should have been Phil Jones if injuries hadn't hampered his development so badly. So unless we are suddenly overflowing with quality centerbacks in our academy, he isn't going anywhere.

True, but even the likes of Wes Brown were a lot harder than Jonny Evans.

Both Vida and Brown were some of the hardest defenders in Fergie's era. When was the last time we've seen someone get brnwed? Besides Rafael and then getting sent off for it.

 

[Loublaze]

Not sure if some of you are being sarcastic or if its that time of the month again. Evans had been rated as our best defender on here numerous times, some of you have really short memories. A homegrown player who came through the system and whose family are United fans, we need more players like this, instead of flogging them out for peanuts. As been said before, he needs a Vidic or another commanding partner to play his best football. That partner should have been Phil Jones if injuries hadn't hampered his development so badly. So unless we are suddenly overflowing with quality centerbacks in our academy, he isn't going anywhere.



Both Vida and Brown were some of the hardest defenders in Fergie's era. When was the last time we've seen someone get brnwed? Besides Rafael and then getting sent off for it.

If this shit keeps up he'll be gone next summer like Welbeck this one. Who gives a feck if he came from the ranks when he's never around to contribute? I'll repeat, he's only played 7 consecutive games in two seasons! Thats simply not good enough and is around Anderson level of unreliability!

 

[All 3 United]

The games he's been voted MOTM are where we've been put under little pressure and he's been good at taking the ball out of defence. However, when a team have constantly been pressing and putting the defence under pressure I am struggling to think of a game where he's excelled.

To be honest it's pointless debating about how good or bad he is/was as a defender because he's just too injury prone, certainly for a centre back (a postion that IMO should not be rotated). Time to move him on.

 

[Still ill]

If this shit keeps up he'll be gone next summer like Welbeck this one. Who gives a feck if he came from the ranks when he's never around to contribute? I'll repeat, he's only played 7 consecutive games in two seasons! Thats simply not good enough and is around Anderson level of unreliability!

I fail to see any valid parallel to Anderson. He's injured a lot, which is a real shame for the guy. When fit, he's the best we have and with the right partner, he'll still be a huge contributer. Some terrible shit being talked in here.

 

[Getsme]

The games he's been voted MOTM are where we've been put under little pressure and he's been good at taking the ball out of defence. However, when a team have constantly been pressing and putting the defence under pressure I am struggling to think of a game where he's excelled.

To be honest it's pointless debating about how good or bad he is/was as a defender because he's just too injury prone, certainly for a centre back (a postion that IMO should not be rotated). Time to move him on.

He's been voted MOTM when we haven't been under pressure, ok then.

 

[dev1l]

Laughable? Have a little read of your own posts mate. Utter drivel.

unfortunately this is becoming the norm over here...

 

[Loublaze]

I fail to see any valid parallel to Anderson. He's injured a lot, which is a real shame for the guy. When fit, he's the best we have and with the right partner, he'll still be a huge contributer. Some terrible shit being talked in here.

When he's fit he's either very good or very erratic. You know this. He's 27 soon. You wouldn't keep someone at your company with the same level of output. Sentimentality getting in the way of reality. People are not rational when it comes to home grown players. 7 consecutive games in 2 years is Anderson territory of productivity. Be honest to yourself and tell me its not. Last season he only played 2 out of 8 games against the top four..so what exactly does he contribute?

 

[Loublaze]

The games he's been voted MOTM are where we've been put under little pressure and he's been good at taking the ball out of defence. However, when a team have constantly been pressing and putting the defence under pressure I am struggling to think of a game where he's excelled.

To be honest it's pointless debating about how good or bad he is/was as a defender because he's just too injury prone, certainly for a centre back (a postion that IMO should not be rotated). Time to move him on.

Thank you! Defence is the one area of the field that needs to be the most settled. Its not good for a GK playing with different defenders every 5 games. Evans needs to fecking go once we get proper dependable players.

 

[MoneyMay]

Roy Keane on Jonny Evans:

Jonny was a centre-half. He had the qualities of a Manchester United player, and he was bringing them to Sunderland. For such a young man – he was nineteen – he was very mature, and a born leader. Jonny was unbelievable for us. He lived with his mam and dad in Sale, near my home, so I picked him up there and brought him up to see the set-up at Sunderland.

I knew I was on a winner; I knew him, and I knew what he was about. I remembered an incident when I was still at United; there’d been a fight in the canteen and Jonny had looked after himself well – I think he knocked the other lad out. I knew Jonny was tough