RAWK Goes into Meltdown 2014/2015 - The "We go again" Edition
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Souness I especially enjoy seeing sitting and stewing - he's a proper 'old boy network' member, which I loathe - and he really, really enjoyed watching us stuck with Moyes last season. Some of the shite he came out with last season about how we 'must give Moyes time' while smirking was so annoying.
Great to see the cnut sat there tonight ranting and raving about how Liverpool's season is already looking very, very flat.
Carragher was one of the only pundits last season (including the Utd ones) who came out and questioned what Moyes was doing to our club so I always respect that from him.
Erm, Brendan is batman, or something.
Familiarity can sometimes be a trick of the mind. Know something for long enough and it's capacity to surprise seems to disappear while never vanishing completely. The capacity to change for the better is always there and while the challenge to simply maintain becomes ever greater, let the rest of them be duped into underestimating again.
In emerging from nowhere they became larger than life. Expectations were exceeded in a way that went above what most would have ever dreamt of. No longer was the idea of a nineteenth title consigned to the shadows. Challenging for the title wasn't new for this team but it was new for this team. This is all part of a story that's been told over and over. An old story for a new generation.
So how do you reignite the fire for a conflict that everyone seems to known inside and out? For most it won't take much. Off the field there has already been a lot of work in trying to breathe new life into that which we think we already know while maintaining that which worked so well. With the right attention to detail, a vision can be made reality. Only then can you take the kind of heritage that comes with LFC and make it your own.
Some interpretations don't work at all. When you have an entity that is so ingrained into popular culture that it becomes very clearly defined – by those who like it and those who don't – then there are parameters to work within. Even in those circumstances it's possible to be unique while maintaining that which people know. In certain hands however, these marks can be missed so much so that the end result then becomes like a parody of that which it once stood for. Roy Hodgson did for Liverpool what Batman and Robin did for cinema. In this instance, Brendan Rodgers has a little more of the Christopher Nolan about him.
Legacies are defined by what's left behind, long after the aspects that established it are gone. If everything crumbles to dust the moment that it's architect is gone, then the foundations weren't quite strong enough in the first place. The truly great can stand the test of time. At Anfield, those foundations have been rocked to the core over the last decade. At last there appears to be something with which we can build greatness upon.
Tomorrow will see the start of a new chapter. The third part of Brendan Rodgers' tenure at the helm. Year one gave us an introduction to this new incarnation, then came the much lauded sequel. Does the closing chapter of this trilogy end with Steven Gerrard lifting the Premier League trophy? We'll are thirty eight games and another emotional roller-coaster ride away from finding out.
Early previews suggest that hope is lost. More will have to be found. The stakes are higher now. There's a storm coming. Isn't that always the way? A resurgent Manchester United and a buoyant Arsenal; coupled with Chelsea and Manchester City whom Liverpool fought so hard last year and suddenly the rogues gallery appears very full.
Also, this time the battle will be as much internal as it is external. History doesn't get rewritten all that often. Every miskick and every dropped point will summon forth his name. Speak of the devil and he shall appear. He was once was the bane of Premier League defenders up and down the country; this time he will be Liverpool's reckoning.
For those on the outside looking in, Luis Suarez's departure will cast a great shadow over the club. He was born in the darkness after all, we merely adopted him. With that also comes the idea that last year was a fluke. Steven Gerrard and Brendan Rodgers won't be wallowing in a pit of despair, looking on as all their hard work is destroyed. There are bigger challenges that inevitably await, that must be met head on.
“Why do we fall?” asks Michael Caine's Alfred, in a voice just the right side of parody. “So that we can learn to pick ourselves up” comes the self supplied answer. It's a theme that echoes not just on the screen but as we strive to come up against whatever problems there are in our daily lives. A nice sentiment definitely - but also massively incorrect.
Ultimately there has to be a reason behind that fall in the first place. Simply continuing to stand isn't enough. Avoiding mistakes is as advantageous as learning from them. As far as Liverpool are concerned, such sentiments serve a dual purpose. Standing up in the face of adversity is more than honorable enough but this time around it's more about not letting anyone push them to the ground in the first place.
Whatever story there is left to tell and whatever ending we have yet to arrive at, everything looks much different now than when it started. In football it's often said that it's the hope that kills you. On the screen it was said that “there can be no true despair without hope”. That might be the way it felt in the immediate aftermath of the Chelsea and Crystal Palace games, but certainly not what those on Matthew Street would have said at 2am after the Newcastle game.
Faith can be poisonous when it is blind and unwarranted. But placed in the right hands and it will be rewarded. This team has just given us a season that even without a defining piece of silverware is unlikely to fade into the memory. Continuing in the same manor and trophies will not be far behind. There were not only incredible victories but the sheer scale and method of them, the likes of which we'll be looking forward to seeing again this year.
Maybe we've seen it all. Maybe we just think we have. Maybe the best is yet to come. Maybe they've given us everything. Well, not everything. Not yet.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=315714.0
I don't even...
Familiarity can sometimes be a trick of the mind. Know something for long enough and it's capacity to surprise seems to disappear while never vanishing completely. The capacity to change for the better is always there and while the challenge to simply maintain becomes ever greater, let the rest of them be duped into underestimating again.
In emerging from nowhere they became larger than life. Expectations were exceeded in a way that went above what most would have ever dreamt of. No longer was the idea of a nineteenth title consigned to the shadows. Challenging for the title wasn't new for this team but it was new for this team. This is all part of a story that's been told over and over. An old story for a new generation.
So how do you reignite the fire for a conflict that everyone seems to known inside and out? For most it won't take much. Off the field there has already been a lot of work in trying to breathe new life into that which we think we already know while maintaining that which worked so well. With the right attention to detail, a vision can be made reality. Only then can you take the kind of heritage that comes with LFC and make it your own.
Some interpretations don't work at all. When you have an entity that is so ingrained into popular culture that it becomes very clearly defined – by those who like it and those who don't – then there are parameters to work within. Even in those circumstances it's possible to be unique while maintaining that which people know. In certain hands however, these marks can be missed so much so that the end result then becomes like a parody of that which it once stood for. Roy Hodgson did for Liverpool what Batman and Robin did for cinema. In this instance, Brendan Rodgers has a little more of the Christopher Nolan about him.
Legacies are defined by what's left behind, long after the aspects that established it are gone. If everything crumbles to dust the moment that it's architect is gone, then the foundations weren't quite strong enough in the first place. The truly great can stand the test of time. At Anfield, those foundations have been rocked to the core over the last decade. At last there appears to be something with which we can build greatness upon.
Tomorrow will see the start of a new chapter. The third part of Brendan Rodgers' tenure at the helm. Year one gave us an introduction to this new incarnation, then came the much lauded sequel. Does the closing chapter of this trilogy end with Steven Gerrard lifting the Premier League trophy? We'll are thirty eight games and another emotional roller-coaster ride away from finding out.
Early previews suggest that hope is lost. More will have to be found. The stakes are higher now. There's a storm coming. Isn't that always the way? A resurgent Manchester United and a buoyant Arsenal; coupled with Chelsea and Manchester City whom Liverpool fought so hard last year and suddenly the rogues gallery appears very full.
Also, this time the battle will be as much internal as it is external. History doesn't get rewritten all that often. Every miskick and every dropped point will summon forth his name. Speak of the devil and he shall appear. He was once was the bane of Premier League defenders up and down the country; this time he will be Liverpool's reckoning.
For those on the outside looking in, Luis Suarez's departure will cast a great shadow over the club. He was born in the darkness after all, we merely adopted him. With that also comes the idea that last year was a fluke. Steven Gerrard and Brendan Rodgers won't be wallowing in a pit of despair, looking on as all their hard work is destroyed. There are bigger challenges that inevitably await, that must be met head on.
“Why do we fall?” asks Michael Caine's Alfred, in a voice just the right side of parody. “So that we can learn to pick ourselves up” comes the self supplied answer. It's a theme that echoes not just on the screen but as we strive to come up against whatever problems there are in our daily lives. A nice sentiment definitely - but also massively incorrect.
Ultimately there has to be a reason behind that fall in the first place. Simply continuing to stand isn't enough. Avoiding mistakes is as advantageous as learning from them. As far as Liverpool are concerned, such sentiments serve a dual purpose. Standing up in the face of adversity is more than honorable enough but this time around it's more about not letting anyone push them to the ground in the first place.
Whatever story there is left to tell and whatever ending we have yet to arrive at, everything looks much different now than when it started. In football it's often said that it's the hope that kills you. On the screen it was said that “there can be no true despair without hope”. That might be the way it felt in the immediate aftermath of the Chelsea and Crystal Palace games, but certainly not what those on Matthew Street would have said at 2am after the Newcastle game.
Faith can be poisonous when it is blind and unwarranted. But placed in the right hands and it will be rewarded. This team has just given us a season that even without a defining piece of silverware is unlikely to fade into the memory. Continuing in the same manor and trophies will not be far behind. There were not only incredible victories but the sheer scale and method of them, the likes of which we'll be looking forward to seeing again this year.
Maybe we've seen it all. Maybe we just think we have. Maybe the best is yet to come. Maybe they've given us everything. Well, not everything. Not yet.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=315714.0
I don't even...
Carragher is fine and was in fact more accurate on United matters than Neville even was last season. It's just a shame we can't see Thompson's reaction, the insufferable cnut.
I'm surprised Alan Hansen was so happy.
Couldn't agree more. And with you on the Carragher comment also. I think both him and Neville have been superb for Sky. The banter and rivalry between them is brilliant, but that aside, they are two very passionate and astute pundits and both talk a lot of sense. (most of the time)
Has anyone got a link to Souness' implosion tonight, I stupidly turned the game off at FT
Maybe, but who wants to watch TV with subtitles?
Even Barton is joining in...
I laugh at the blind faith but I draw the line at the Nolan Batman trilogy.
They will forever be Batman and Robin.
He's got a way with words hasn't he
Look at this twat. Does he even know who they're playingwhat a shambles of a man.
That is one of the most retarded things I have ever seen from a Liverpool fan
Fecking Liverpool was.
Saving them for the game in the Bernabeu surely
Lambert would of been better than Balotelli tonight. Could of at least attempted to hold the ball up.
Bet it gets lots of 'great post, mate' comments.
Liverpool was built?!
I feel like shite and have had a really, really bad day, but when I saw the final score I knew I could come to the caf for a cheer-me-up. You guys never let me down. I don't understand all of the jokes but if I did I'm not sure my heart could take it. Keep up the good work.
Look at this twat. Does he even know who they're playing
wrong club, mate.
What's with their staunch refusal to swap shirts? Don't get it at all.
To be honest, I wouldn't be impressed if United are losing 3-0 and our under-performing striker does something like that at half time. He should be focused on how to get back into the game and shouldn't really be showing camaraderie.
RAWKBola Sufferer 1 said:
RAWKBola Sufferer 2 said:
Yay!!!
Loved how they stopped booing Ronaldo when he scored. Bunch of twats.
They can always swag post-match, or wait until they're down the race so no one else can see.
The Anfield tea lady is going to be a busy girl.
Carragher has been very good so far IMO. Last season he was by far the best pundit on United's matters.
This waving of 5 fingers at a Real Madrid player is magnificently clueless interesting.
Because a long time ago I read on RAWK that the number of European Cups considered to have been won by clubs was not strictly accurate. As some of these had not been won in 'the modern era'. And he then did a recount.
If you want to ask, the starting point ('I think') was 1967 - wins before this were not included. It must be the same bloke.
I can't quite remember why 1967 - but seem to recall/guess it was something to do with global television audiences & England winning the World Cup, & from then on, ALL clubs & countries entered ALL competitions.
Because a long time ago I read on RAWK that the number of European Cups considered to have been won by clubs was not strictly accurate. As some of these had not been won in 'the modern era'. And he then did a recount.
If you want to ask, the starting point ('I think') was 1967 - wins before this were not included. It must be the same bloke.
I can't quite remember why 1967 - but seem to recall/guess it was something to do with global television audiences & England winning the World Cup, & from then on, ALL clubs & countries entered ALL competitions.
Not just Balotelli. It happened at the end of game when Arbeloa wanted to swapped shirts with Gerrard and was rejected.
It's all the philosophical claptrap that makes me curl up with laughter.
What is up with those people. I mean, is it as if they're not well. Its not the city or the water cause Everton fans are not that crazy.
True, Real Madrid switched off pretty much after the first half.
I suppose we know he means the club and then the current XI but it causes me to lose faith in the thrust of his narrative, tbh.
Not sure if this goes here, but I imagine those lot made it. Talk about delusion.