CL 14/15 Group Stage Matchday 4 - October 4th/5th
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Enjoying all your success are you? How does it feel to be back where you belong?
Yeah because we are still plastic of course 
Self sufficient, successful, and play football to win. Tonight has shown exactly how far Liverpool and Arsenal have fallen.
Says something how half of you can say anything but a few smileys.
Self sufficient, successful, and play football to win. Tonight has shown exactly how far Liverpool and Arsenal have fallen.Says something how half of you can say anything but a few smileys.
Plastic, being unorganic, won't turn into something alive. A couple of years don't change that.
You cant take away experience and class in Europe. Its why us and United have dominated it for England in the past 8 years
No but we now have all the attributes, and we have a lot of things the history boys dont, yet they still try and pretend to be better. Have you even read RAWK tonight?
Shh! I didn't really mean to though
Serious question, were you born in the 20th century? If so, do you remember anything from it? I suspect not.
Serious question, were you born in the 20th century? If so, do you remember anything from it? I suspect not.
I started supporting when I was old enough to properly so about 1995, when I was 9. What should I be remembering?
A poor one. They are clearly in your vein(actually Liverpool are a hell of a lot higher) as you've won ONE European cup, yes I'll repeat that ONE European cup (Nottingham Forest have Two Europeans Cups and Vila have the same amount as you ), Chelsea's recent success although good doesn't even come close to what Liverpool have achieved.
Although you are right you do rank higher than Arsenal although that's not exactly hardest task in football.
Exactly. A lot of people forget that there was football before Sky Sports
I hope this face-off is more exciting than most Chelsea/Liverpool matches.
Chelsea are a bigger club than Liverpool now regardless of history IMO, apparently their fan base is much larger now as well, Arsenal have overtaken Liverpool as well imo.
But all 3 are specs of dust compared to the mighty Manchester United........
I'm just impressed he's older than I thought he was. Still never too old to buy a flag and one of those new Gladiator-style oversized fingers though.
If you're a true fan that is.
If you're a true fan that is.
That doesn't change the fact that all that success was built on money somebody shoved up your backside while other clubs didn't have that luxury. You can't call City plastic and not include Chelsea in the same category.
Of course our success doesnt overall come close but thats a bit by the way when Liverpool fans are still acting as though they are so high and mighty. Bottom line is after spending money terribly they were out of Europe for 4 years apparently came back to where they belong and have lost 3 in a row without scoring including basically attempting to forfeit the game tonight in favour of taking revenge against us at the weekend. Its one thing forfeiting a game when you;re through but might get first like Arsenal do, but they are bottom of their group. Right now where they are is below us.
So, it's not because Roman has pumped hundreds of millions into the club?
No, wrong. Our success was helped by money since we were actually quite successful in the 7 years preceding Romans arrival. What he did was save us from ruin and take us up from near the top to the very top. We didnt come from nowhere like City did overnight.
No its not, now who isnt researching past the last 10 years?
We were successful and had European pedigree in the decade preceding RA's arrival, conveniently erased from the memories of those who choose to believe we were nowhere and RA suddenly took us to the top. He saved us from ruin, its no surprise that we are now FFP compliant, self sufficient and still at the top, unlike what the very new sugar daddy clubs are like.
IMO, Chelsea are a big club now, their history doesn't matter. They are self-sufficient, widely supported club. History doesn't really matter anymore, it's about who has the most money.
But you said you dominated the PL in the last 8 years because of your experience and class in Europe. So you're saying that Roman's money had little effect on your domination?
I never said PL I said Europe. We and United have dominated Europe for England because we both have the most experience with it in that time. Its a no brainer really given that City arrived from nowhere and surprise they cant compete in Europe despite their billions.
To be fair to Chelski, they are the only other club other than ourselves who have held it down in Europe over the years. If it wasn't for United and Chelsea then maybe England wouldn't have 4 CL spots.
Why is everyone saying the first Anderlecht goal was offside? It looks dead onside to me - I thought you only had to be level with the ball?
My mistake. My point still stands. I don't know why you're trying to avoid saying that the main reason for your performances in Europe is down to one man and his bank account.
Being an outsider, if I remember correctly, nobody really gave two tosses about Chelsea while everybody knew and talked about Liverpool and Arsenal (and United of course) frequently. Household names, really. Chelsea were pretty much on the same level in publicity as Lazio or Deportivo La Coruna. Yes, they had some good players and occasionally made the headlines and were a good team, but ultimately not one of the big boys until Roman pumped them full of money. And really, if a sugardaddy had to fly in and save you from ruin you clearly did something wrong...
It might be my memory fading, but that's how I recall the time pre-Abramovic.
It might be my memory fading, but that's how I recall the time pre-Abramovic.
Because it isnt, you cant just buy success. If you can why have City struggled to one last 16 appearance over 4 CL seasons? We had success and European experience in the years before RA took over, thats what counts a lot.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Love how everyone is laughing at @ItsEssexRob for supporting Chelsea....But in fact, ignore that he started supporting them in 1995, when he was 9.
Arsenal United and Liverpool were the biggest teams in the 90's, we started to make ourselves known in the mid to late 90;s with European cups and domestic cups and of course being 4 points off the title in 1999 running United close.
I think you were on the wind up with that there, Robert.
Chelsea were at least in Europe. They had a bit of a leg up initially, but they haven't spent outside their means for years now. Probably since Torres? Even now, Mourinho has crafted what looks to be a title winning side pretty shrewdly. Luiz and Mata out, 87m reinvested in Costa and Fabregas.
I dont see how you can possibly disagree that money alone cant buy you success. Explain why City with all their billions are so awful in Europe then. It isnt just their groups because they struggle against the weaker teams in their groups like Napoli, Ajax and CSKA
Exactly, people are using a very archaic viewpoint which may have held some weight in 2004, but doesnt now.
Or, you could just point out that we splashed out 150 odd million a few months back and are in 10th place in the league....
Exactly, although not quite the same as you also need time. Real Madrid are another good example, how much they have spent to win what actually amounts to very little in the past 5 years.
For reference:
Chelsea's last 5 league finishes prior to take over: 98/99 3rd, 99/00 5th, 00/01 6th, 01/02, 6th, 02/03, 4th
Man City's " " 03/04 16th 04/05 8th, 05/06 15th, 06/07 14th, 07/08 9th
So basically Chelsea's lottery win was like Spurs getting one now, City's was like Stoke getting one now.
Chelsea's last 5 league finishes prior to take over: 98/99 3rd, 99/00 5th, 00/01 6th, 01/02, 6th, 02/03, 4th
Man City's " " 03/04 16th 04/05 8th, 05/06 15th, 06/07 14th, 07/08 9th
So basically Chelsea's lottery win was like Spurs getting one now, City's was like Stoke getting one now.
Ah now the people with the actual facts are getting involved its a bit different. How many of you actually knew we finished 3rd in 1999 4 points from the top? I assume a lot probably thought that we were mid table nobodies up until 2003.
You could even argue we were ahead of Spurs are due to winning plenty of stuff and higher league finishes.