Like I said, you're overreacting. Not being okay and saying something like you'll never forgive SAF, surely you can see the difference. At the time of his transfer, no one thought he'd be this fantastic so getting that annoyed now is a bit pointless.
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Like I said, you're overreacting. Not being okay and saying something like you'll never forgive SAF, surely you can see the difference. At the time of his transfer, no one thought he'd be this fantastic so getting that annoyed now is a bit pointless.
Over the top a bit, surely? Does the 20-odd major trophies during Ferguson's reign not cushion the blow somewhat?
I haven't heard one report of Pogba causing any trouble at Juve since he has been with us, i have only seen the players praise him and Buffon even admitted from the first training session he seen Pogba in he knew he had talent.
I don't think Dortmund should be favourites at all. If juve don't go through, it will be a failure. You guys are a solid outfit and it's about time the old lady starts doing better in Europe again.
Midfield I agree with, defense remains largely untested in Serie A, will be interesting to see how they cope when up against the likes of Madrid, Barcelona etc.
A tad over the top perhaps but are you saying we shouldn't feel a little cheated out of not having this guy still with us because Fergie won all he did? I have nothing but respect and gratitude towards Sir Alex but on this occasion he got it horribly wrong.
We still haven't adapted well enough to the European game, in Serie A teams drop off and give us more space in Europe teams are playing to win from the first minute and not giving us a chance to catch our breathe.
Completely different mentality and we are still a work in progress.
I never said he (or his agent, more specifically) has caused trouble at Juve.
Don't really care about this guy, he was too greedy too early, yes he was right to be confident in his own ability but a bit more patience and that could have been borne out in a United kit, and I'm sure he'd now be been paid alot more than he currently is if he'd stayed.
Far play to Juve for luring him with the offer of plenty of early dosh, but no point in pining over him as a United fan, would rather shop elsewhere for a midfielder when the time comes.
Far play to Juve for luring him with the offer of plenty of early dosh, but no point in pining over him as a United fan, would rather shop elsewhere for a midfielder when the time comes.
Come on mate, that's just ridiculous. What has SAF done for MUFC, vs Pogba?
Pogba admitted himself, he was impatient. Yeah, SAF dropped a bollock playing Rafael and Park in midfield against Rovers, but if SAF advised a youngster to just wait his turn and be patient, 99% of youngsters would actually listen to someone who has achieved so much in the game.
Pogba, unfortunately, wasn't one of them.
When we played Madrid last season we were the better team over the 2 legs, Ronaldo dived and got one of our players sent off and we still played Madrid off the park at their home ground with 10 men.
In Turin it was a pretty even contest and finished 2-2, Madrid's counter attacks were very strong that game and punished us.
Dortmund are going through a horrid time. Juve have been caught in Europe in the past due to being tactically naive under Conte at times. I believe this year is a good chance to take the right step forward.
Not at all, feeling disappointed about the whole is perfectly natural but too much of it is extreme. I'm sure SAF never thought Pogba was going to get this good otherwise he would have given the opportunities to play.
I admit I went a bit over the top but all this "Pogba wanted to much to early" notion is baffling. We obviously saw enough in the lad to bring him here, surely we knew how he'd develop, why not just find a compromise instead of letting him leave for nothing at a time our midfield was and still is under strength for where we want to be as a club.
Stubbs just went a bit Ott. His point is basically something we all agree in hindsight that letting pogba go was a mistake, though at the time of taking the decision it wasn't as clear cut as it is now.
SAF or the club must have saw enough in him to bring him here in the first place though, from what I remember he stood out at the majority of reserve/youth games and looked good at the odd first team game he got a chance and yet like I've already said, despite our poor midfield at the time SAF saw fit to play a full back ahead of him in midfield.
Any gifs knocking about?
He wouldn't have developed this way if he had stayed here. Watching Cleverley, Anderson, Park or Rafael doesn't help the development of young players IMO.
Yes but from being good in the reserves to almost instantly become a top CM at Juventus, no one could have predicted, not even the best psychics in the world. It's basically blaming SAF for not seeing the future.
This guy is unreal. He also seems captain material.
Defending, attacking, intelligence
No, but he should be cut a major amount of slack considering if it wasn't for Alex Ferguson, we wouldnt be in a position to actually have players in the youth team like Pogba to get rid of. The youth system and scouting system was in a right horrendous state before he look over.
Back on topic, we need to buy him back in the summer. I dont care how much it costs.
I know it's probably been mentioned a bazillion times in this thread, but holy feck did we feck up with this one. He may not have the greatest of modest attitudes, but to let him go - feck.
I've got no doubt in my mind that if we've really got some warchest that we're about to spend again, then it shouldn't be on some fecking Bayol but on this guy. He can be like a cheating whore wife and leave us in like 5 years but we'd sell him then for the double amount of monies we'd buy him for.
Couldn't give two shits if we let him for free just to buy him back by the way, doubt that Chelsea fans cry over doing so with Matić or BVB with Reus.
Couldn't give two shits if we let him for free just to buy him back by the way, doubt that Chelsea fans cry over doing so with Matić or BVB with Reus.
we could actually do an even better resigning resigning pogba than CHelsea did with Matic and they did absolutely fantastic with that. I think 50mil or so for soon to be Baloon d'or contender is about okay.. while very young so "capable"
Yeah, I think a lot of posters agree with you general point, myself included. SAF got this one horribly wrong. Yet, the man had a good history and record of bringing through and giving youngsters a chance. Surely somewhere we need to cut SAF some slack.
As you mentioned, SAF obviously rated the lad, because he was knocking on the first team door. The timing and treatment was just unfortunate, and to make matters worse, Pogba's gone on to develop into a hugely talented first teamer at Juve, in a area we're definitely short on.
I mean, if it was a movie, the script couldn't have been written any better (or worse if you're a United fan!). But yeah, I have NO ill feeling towards SAF, at all. Even with the Moyes decision he got horribly wrong. The man should be as close to "above criticism" from United fans, as you get in this life. That's just my opinion though.
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Not sure about the dance though.
Not sure about the dance though.
Exactly. However much we buy him for, we can still recoup a large amount of cash should he want to leave in 4 years. It's like if Ronaldo decided to leave Madrid his price would still be above what ridiculous money Madrid bought him for.
fergie's blind spot. ctr midfs. but someone posted 20+ trophies make up for it.
Did he lift up his shirt to show an I heart MUFC logo?
If he did, its so on.
If he did, its so on.
It stings more watching him shine for Juve than it does watching Ronaldo shine for Madrid, at least we got some great seasons out of Ronnie, we got nothing out of Pogba, not even a transfer fee. Letting him go and not paying Hazard's agent are the worst two calls Fergie made in those latter years IMO.
Just seen Pogba's goal from a few different angles on TV and the keeper has definitely had a bit of a mare. Good strike but it should be tipped wide.
I agree, the goal was nothing special, unlike last weeks, but it's his all round play that has gone up another level this season, all aspects of his game are improving.
Tbf i just find the thing where he says that when Rafael played over him in midfield for that Arsenal game (think it was Arsenal) just an excuse, his time would have come, and he would have developed just the same with time.
Do you honestly think this? The buying fee would be ridiculous, super sky high.
Transfer fees always raise as years go by. Just look at how much James went for.
We'd pay far, far less than for Bale and probably beat the transfer fee he's fetched for Spurs. Now, I'd say throw 60 mln quid, maybe 70 and he's ours.
we should definately go for him if we want a complete midfielder with huge potential and are ready to spend that kind of money again.
You wouldn't get £120m for him if you sold him in a few years though.
He really does seem like the Toure type of player, not by style, but in the way that if you just plonk him in a midfield you know there's a ridiculously good chance that you'll win - regardless of who else is playing in the team
Just dominates.
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