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When the 2022 World Cup is confirmed to take place in Winter...
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Spot on.
Good luck convincing them to play in a World Cup instead of basically the only clubs who can afford their wage?
This.
So many other points to moan about and point, obvious to everyone but Sepp Blatter and Fifa, flaws in but the main crux of the issue has been stated in the quote by Cal.
This World Cup if it goes ahead as planned in Nov/Dec could be a complete make or break. If it's poor, it will only serve to elevate the status of the Champions League. If it's great, it will be the first of a few World Cups in our lifetime that will be played out of summer.
There is also another issue that has yet to be considered by FIFA it seems. Player fatigue. Particularly for those in the Champions League and Europa League. The standard of all leagues will suffer post World Cup. So for the greater good in their minds of the 8 week competition spectacle, the complete product of European leagues that drive interest and finance in the sport at its highest level annually will suffer. Also the shorter break required leading into the next season afterwards will impact on that season too. It's naive at best.
This article seems to be written by someone who has no understanding of how sponsorship works, if Sony or Mitsubishi sponsor my football team, am I supposed to care about the well being of football in Korea?
Rummenigge is completely right, the 2022 WC was bid with the understanding that it'll be held in June/July, failure to air-condition the whole country and the rest of the world are supposed to just happily accept moving their schedule?
Has any European sabotaged the Brasileiro or J League getting huge TV revenue? Is it the fault of European clubs that they produce a better product and people from all over the globe are willing to pay for it? As for player movement, good luck trying to tell those players not to go play for a big club and stay within their country.
Local fans are about what happens in England more than their country because of the product on show.
Also, by his logic, only clubs sponsored by Middle Eastern companies don't get to complain, United, Bayern & co are free to make as much noise as we see fit?
Huh? Christmas is one of the biggest travel times of the year.
What I don't understand with this whole fiasco is, why not just air-condition the whole country (or at least all the cities) for a month? Surely they have enough natural gas to do it?
Maybe not to Qatar though.
This article seems to be written by someone who has no understanding of how sponsorship works, if Sony or Mitsubishi sponsor my football team, am I supposed to care about the well being of football in Korea?
Rummenigge is completely right, the 2022 WC was bid with the understanding that it'll be held in June/July, failure to air-condition the whole country and the rest of the world are supposed to just happily accept moving their schedule?
Has any European sabotaged the Brasileiro or J League getting huge TV revenue? Is it the fault of European clubs that they produce a better product and people from all over the globe are willing to pay for it? As for player movement, good luck trying to tell those players not to go play for a big club and stay within their country.
Local fans are about what happens in England more than their country because of the product on show.
Also, by his logic, only clubs sponsored by Middle Eastern companies don't get to complain, United, Bayern & co are free to make as much noise as we see fit?
His point seems to be Europe is the most successful interms of money and influence in football and so they can't complain. Tiki taka communism.
Plenty of other, and better, alternatives could be made. Would players rather play in a competition organized by various national leagues/FAs/Continental Footballing Associations featuring the best players and teams in the Summer of '22 with an disrupted domestic calender, or would they rather play at the "World Cup" in December with only the shit nations that weren't invited to the earlier, better competition, plus then having a disrupted domestic calender and disrupted international qualifiers for the next couple years?
The clubs and FAs have the power to make that happen.
Your example is confusing. You already 'disqualified' players from not-shit countries, so what choice do they have?
They'd still prefer World Cup.
They'd still prefer World Cup.
What the actual feck?
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Thats absolutely disgraceful, 1200+ deaths so far and the tournament is still 7 years off so you can probably double or triple that by the time they are finished.
People dying pretty much every day building stadiums for this fecking tournament and yet the only issues surrounding this thing that seem to be being discussed are scheduling conflicts, compensation and whether it should be held in November or January. Sickening is all i can say, corrupt money grabbing bastards.
I know, silly talk when all Qatar has to do is roll down it's window and let some breeze in.
Kidding, right?
If you build it, they will come.
You what?
What players do you mean? Those from "non-shit-countries"? So, as in your example WC play only shit countries, where is their choice? Of course they'll choose one they are eligible for.
They would wish for older times, though, I'm sure.
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They would wish for older times, though, I'm sure.
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You're assuming everyone observes Christmas.
If all of the best European nations, the best South American nations, and a handful of the best teams from the other continents drafted up and agreed upon their own competition in the summer of 2022 - with a big sponsorship budget, highly marketed, advertised and broadcasted just like any previous summer World Cup would have been - and then the nations said right it's up to the players to decide whether we go ahead with it or drop it and play in the "official" World Cup in Qatar in December - why would they choose the official World Cup over the replacement? It would be no less prestigious if all the top nations were playing in it. It would replace the World Cup, and improve on the farce that would be the Qatar World Cup, so it's not a case of players being unable to represent their countries.
The national FAs simply HAVE to do this, and they have the power to do so. The corrupt FIFA and their dream of a Qatar World Cup would crumble to pieces, and rightfully so.
This has happened before in other sports, obviously on a far smaller scale. For example the Darts players rebelled and set up their own World Championship after breaking away from the official World Championship - the new tournament is now seen as being the better and more prestigious tournament, with higher viewing figures, higher prize fees, higher accolades. If the best nations in world football competed in a new 'International Championship' it wouldn't matter about the history of it or the name of it.
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A World Cup in Qatar will pass few peoples cost-benefit analysis I think.
It's really just another form of slavery in the modern world. All those workers dying are migrant workers from countries like India, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. The poorest of the lot are lured by a decent wage, and are not in a position to fully evaluate their rights and working conditions etc. Here is an excerpt from a Guardian investigation:
"Workers described forced labour in 50C (122F) heat, employers who retain salaries for several months and passports making it impossible for them to leave and being denied free drinking water. The investigation found sickness is endemic among workers living in overcrowded and insanitary conditions and hunger has been reported. Thirty Nepalese construction workers took refuge in the their country's embassy and subsequently left the country, after they claimed they received no pay."
Middle east, Europe and Americas can easily turn a blind eye to all of this, as none of their citizens are dying. Football authorities can not see past money and and their own interests. All these deaths are not just Qatar's fault. Everyone involved has blood on their hands. In the end FIFA will congratulate itself for the excellent tournament held with great logistics completely turning a blind eye to everything that happens before and after the tournament. All the stadiums will ultimately be junked and a multi-billionaire royal family somewhere will have had the last laugh having the pleasure of making the entire footballing world bend to fulfill its whims.
Well said. It's a travesty.
Of course the timing of the WC, it being moved to winter, etc. is being covered a lot by the media, but I'm surprised that so little is made of the 'work' conditions of the guys building the stadia and infrastructure, and the death toll. I know the Guardian has looked into this and probably a few other media outlets, but given the atrocity of what's going on, the scale of it and the fact it's linked to such a huge event commissionned by an organization that has such noble principles, I'm truly amazed that there isn't a global outrage about this.
Yep it's sickening. Still not even a whiff of a boycott.
As usual people will wake up and demand a boycott the year before the tournament to make a statement at which point it is too late when thousands of migrant workers already died.
Do you see psg or barca standing up against quatar?
Well let's hope that happens... An invite might be England's best opportunity to qualify.
I'm slowly coming around to the idea of a winter world cup. Obviously I'll miss the summer tournament but it'll certainly brighten up what is usually a dull, miserable winter in the UK. Plus we might get some Premier League football the following June instead. It'll be a nice change.
That's pretty emphatic.
Where the white text at?
Not this kind of travel.
No. I'm basing it on the majority of people who live in half of the nations participating and also the people that have the most money to travel, Europeans and Americans.
Xmas travel won't be an issue for England... We will be out before the tree goes up
Who's to say a load of Asian fans won't take up the slack? You certainly see plenty of non-European and US fans at OT for example. I'm sure they'd snap up world cup tickets, not even counting the Middle East.
Well, not exactly the whole country, but surely air-conditioning solves the problem, I mean the stadiums, all the training facilities, etc.
PSG no, Barca quite possibly, it's not like they can't get a similar amount from a different sponsor.
X'mas is also big in most of the Asian countries who do most of the travelling, apart from China, but unless you guarantee a spot for China...
You mean the Philippines and Hong Kong etc? Yes, I guess that's true.
But then you have all the Islamic countries in the ME, Asia and North Africa which is a factor when it's taking place in an Islamic country for the first time. Not to mention China and India. All I'm saying is you can't assume the stadiums will be empty if the European and US fans don't/can't make it.
Many people also go away for Xmas these days anyway – to somewhere warm!
Christmas is also a holiday in Korea, India, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. As for Japan, whilst it's not a holiday, they have Dec 23 off and it's probably more commercialized than most places in the world.
Most Islamic countries are not very good at football and not very likely to qualify.