You won't get HIV from someone's saliva though.
EDIT: It's actually possible but extremely unlikely.
EDIT2: Furthermore the life expectancy of someone with HIV in the States is almost as good as a healthy person's.
American Cops Doing What They Do Best
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EDIT: It's actually possible but extremely unlikely.
EDIT2: Furthermore the life expectancy of someone with HIV in the States is almost as good as a healthy person's.
Yeah, but fear is often irrational, isn't it? Anyway, it's the only explanation that makes sense to me. Maybe they're all KKK level racists.
I think its something other than fear personally. It'll obviously play a large part in some circumstances. But I don't think I'd be particularly scared of someone holding a knife, if me and my pal and countless backup all have guns which we could use should things escalate. I'd be ready to use it, but I wouldn't be so scared I started firing excessively.
I think its part of police culture over there. You shoot a 'perp', everyone pats you on the back afterwards, looks out for you, and everyones a big happy police family. You had the balls to do what you 'had to do'.
I think its part of police culture over there. You shoot a 'perp', everyone pats you on the back afterwards, looks out for you, and everyones a big happy police family. You had the balls to do what you 'had to do'.
If people would just shut up about police killings it won't be an issue!
I'm not brushing aside the race issue, but wasn't the shooter in the last incident also black?
Dunno which incident you mean but you know that's a satirical website?
It seems I was wrong, you CAN make it up!
Yea obviously, but race is generally seen as a big issue in these police shootings, hence the 'satire' in that piece.
I'm talking about the homeless guy, the person filming indicates the shooter was a black cop.
Oh right. Yeah, race is obviously only part of the issue here.
There's a video on FB of a cop beating the shit out of a guy in a wheelchair and dragging him out of his chair. A colleague is watching. Does anyone how to post vids from FB here?
Just copy and paste the url.
Good points. I wonder if the puritanical slant that exists in US culture has some influence, too?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/u...icmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0
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A City Where Policing, Discrimination and Raising Revenue Went Hand in Hand
A 32-year-old black man was sitting in his car, cooling off after playing basketball in a public park in the city of Ferguson, Mo. Then a police officer pulled up.
The officer approached him and demanded his identification. He then accused the man of being a pedophile, since there were children in the park, and ordered him out of his car. When the man objected, the officer arrested him and charged him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code, including a charge for not wearing a seatbelt, even though he was in a parked car.
This encounter in summer 2012 in some ways appeared to be exactly how the criminal justice system in Ferguson had been designed to work, according to an investigation of the Ferguson Police Department released on Wednesday by the United States Justice Department. As described in the report, Ferguson, which is a majority black city but where nearly all city officials are white, acts less like a municipality and more like a self-perpetuating business enterprise, extracting money from poor blacks that it uses as revenue to sustain the city’s budget. The efficiency of Ferguson’s system was as striking in the report as the bluntness with which officials acknowledged it.
“Unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections,” wrote the city’s finance director to the Ferguson police chief in March 2010. “What are your thoughts?”
Three years later, the finance director wrote to the city manager, saying that he had asked “the Chief if he thought the PD could deliver 10% increase. He indicated they could try.”
The revenue-generating enterprise described in the report begins with the police, who, under pressure to “fill the revenue pipeline,” compete with one another to see how many citations they can issue in a single traffic stop. Those cited are then summoned before a court to face fines that city officials boast are among the highest in the region, with hundreds of dollars levied for such violations as “peace disturbance,” “failure to comply” and “manner of walking.” For all three violations, more than nine out of 10 of those cited were black.
For people caught up in this system, the consequences could be devastating. The man arrested in 2012 after sitting in his car told investigators that as a result of the charges against him, he lost a job as a government contractor. An African-American woman who had been periodically homeless was cited once for parking her car illegally. From that ticket, she was twice arrested and spent six days in jail, all while trying to make partial payments on the original fine of $151 and the fees and penalties that accrued. More than seven years and $550 worth of payments later, she still owes $541.
In early 2013, according to one account in the report, a patrol sergeant saw a black man talk briefly to someone in a truck and walk away. The sergeant suspected some type of criminal activity and questioned the man. When the man refused to submit to a frisk, the sergeant shocked him with a Taserrepeatedly, at one point for 20 continuous seconds. In the end, the man was charged with “failure to comply” and “resisting arrest,” the report said, “but no independent criminal violation.”
The report lists one example after another of arrests of African-Americans without apparent justification. In another instance from 2013, a group of black youths were listening to music in a car. Suspecting that they had been using marijuana, an officer arrested them, and some went to jail, for “gathering in a group for the purposes of committing illegal activity.” No evidence of marijuana was found, even after a search of the car.
The report describes a reflexive and gratuitous hostility toward black residents that goes beyond arrests into routine uses of force. Several cases are described in which officers used Tasers against black people for no apparent reason of public safety, including one time when an officer shocked a man for urinating on the prison floor. Every instance in which a police dog bite was reported, the person bitten was black, including, in one case mentioned in the report, an unarmed 14-year-old boy.
But as unforgiving as this system is to the poor black residents, it appears to be far more flexible for the officials who run it, and their friends and family.
Federal investigators found that the judge, the court clerk, the mayor, police supervisors and officials from Ferguson and other neighboring cities — some of whom, the report pointed out, were quick to assert that black residents of Ferguson lacked a sense of personal responsibility — routinely had tickets dismissed for themselves and their friends, pleading “an honest mistake” or suggesting that having a ticket dismissed “would be a blessing.”
“Your ticket of $200 has magically disappeared!” read one email from the court clerk to one friend. “It’s gone baby!” she wrote to another.
Though the federal authorities were shocked by what they found in Ferguson, this system, and the profound distrust it engendered, was not new to those who lived there. One black woman, who was cited for a permit violation after she had called police for help on a domestic disturbance, declared that she would not call the Ferguson police ever again, “even if she is being killed.”
In one instance in the report, a city official expressed unease about the injustice that kept the city afloat. In 2012, a City Council member wrote to other city officials opposing the reappointment of the municipal court judge, arguing that he “does not listen to the testimony, does not review the reports or the criminal history of defendants, and doesn’t let all the pertinent witnesses testify before rendering a verdict.”
The city manager acknowledged the judge’s shortcomings. But, according to the report, he said, “the City cannot afford to lose any efficiency in our Courts, nor experience any decrease in our Fines and Forfeitures.” The judge was reappointed.
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Serious question to our Americans. Why aren't people going to jail for this shit?
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A City Where Policing, Discrimination and Raising Revenue Went Hand in Hand
A 32-year-old black man was sitting in his car, cooling off after playing basketball in a public park in the city of Ferguson, Mo. Then a police officer pulled up.
The officer approached him and demanded his identification. He then accused the man of being a pedophile, since there were children in the park, and ordered him out of his car. When the man objected, the officer arrested him and charged him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code, including a charge for not wearing a seatbelt, even though he was in a parked car.
This encounter in summer 2012 in some ways appeared to be exactly how the criminal justice system in Ferguson had been designed to work, according to an investigation of the Ferguson Police Department released on Wednesday by the United States Justice Department. As described in the report, Ferguson, which is a majority black city but where nearly all city officials are white, acts less like a municipality and more like a self-perpetuating business enterprise, extracting money from poor blacks that it uses as revenue to sustain the city’s budget. The efficiency of Ferguson’s system was as striking in the report as the bluntness with which officials acknowledged it.
“Unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections,” wrote the city’s finance director to the Ferguson police chief in March 2010. “What are your thoughts?”
Three years later, the finance director wrote to the city manager, saying that he had asked “the Chief if he thought the PD could deliver 10% increase. He indicated they could try.”
The revenue-generating enterprise described in the report begins with the police, who, under pressure to “fill the revenue pipeline,” compete with one another to see how many citations they can issue in a single traffic stop. Those cited are then summoned before a court to face fines that city officials boast are among the highest in the region, with hundreds of dollars levied for such violations as “peace disturbance,” “failure to comply” and “manner of walking.” For all three violations, more than nine out of 10 of those cited were black.
For people caught up in this system, the consequences could be devastating. The man arrested in 2012 after sitting in his car told investigators that as a result of the charges against him, he lost a job as a government contractor. An African-American woman who had been periodically homeless was cited once for parking her car illegally. From that ticket, she was twice arrested and spent six days in jail, all while trying to make partial payments on the original fine of $151 and the fees and penalties that accrued. More than seven years and $550 worth of payments later, she still owes $541.
In early 2013, according to one account in the report, a patrol sergeant saw a black man talk briefly to someone in a truck and walk away. The sergeant suspected some type of criminal activity and questioned the man. When the man refused to submit to a frisk, the sergeant shocked him with a Taserrepeatedly, at one point for 20 continuous seconds. In the end, the man was charged with “failure to comply” and “resisting arrest,” the report said, “but no independent criminal violation.”
The report lists one example after another of arrests of African-Americans without apparent justification. In another instance from 2013, a group of black youths were listening to music in a car. Suspecting that they had been using marijuana, an officer arrested them, and some went to jail, for “gathering in a group for the purposes of committing illegal activity.” No evidence of marijuana was found, even after a search of the car.
The report describes a reflexive and gratuitous hostility toward black residents that goes beyond arrests into routine uses of force. Several cases are described in which officers used Tasers against black people for no apparent reason of public safety, including one time when an officer shocked a man for urinating on the prison floor. Every instance in which a police dog bite was reported, the person bitten was black, including, in one case mentioned in the report, an unarmed 14-year-old boy.
But as unforgiving as this system is to the poor black residents, it appears to be far more flexible for the officials who run it, and their friends and family.
Federal investigators found that the judge, the court clerk, the mayor, police supervisors and officials from Ferguson and other neighboring cities — some of whom, the report pointed out, were quick to assert that black residents of Ferguson lacked a sense of personal responsibility — routinely had tickets dismissed for themselves and their friends, pleading “an honest mistake” or suggesting that having a ticket dismissed “would be a blessing.”
“Your ticket of $200 has magically disappeared!” read one email from the court clerk to one friend. “It’s gone baby!” she wrote to another.
Though the federal authorities were shocked by what they found in Ferguson, this system, and the profound distrust it engendered, was not new to those who lived there. One black woman, who was cited for a permit violation after she had called police for help on a domestic disturbance, declared that she would not call the Ferguson police ever again, “even if she is being killed.”
In one instance in the report, a city official expressed unease about the injustice that kept the city afloat. In 2012, a City Council member wrote to other city officials opposing the reappointment of the municipal court judge, arguing that he “does not listen to the testimony, does not review the reports or the criminal history of defendants, and doesn’t let all the pertinent witnesses testify before rendering a verdict.”
The city manager acknowledged the judge’s shortcomings. But, according to the report, he said, “the City cannot afford to lose any efficiency in our Courts, nor experience any decrease in our Fines and Forfeitures.” The judge was reappointed.
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Serious question to our Americans. Why aren't people going to jail for this shit?
Because racism is alive and well in America.
It seems that they don't apply some common sense, logic, and duty of care.
As long as the perpetrator fills in the requirement of lethal force, they will apply lethal force without any additional thoughts and judgement, anything that gets them dead and gets the police out of trouble
As long as the perpetrator fills in the requirement of lethal force, they will apply lethal force without any additional thoughts and judgement, anything that gets them dead and gets the police out of trouble
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-protests-in-madison-wisconsin-10093832.html
How can there continuously be a new story like this every week? What the feck happens during police training in America?
How can there continuously be a new story like this every week? What the feck happens during police training in America?
How about this non shooting one? Jesus!!! This from the Baton Rouge Police department, in the capital of the state of Louisiana.
http://www.sott.net/article/293528-...oman-for-being-raped-by-her-father-as-a-child
Only in Amerika: Cops make parade float mocking a woman for being raped by her father as a child
Disgusting, repugnant, vile, hateful, despicable. These are just a few words that can be used to describe the actions of several of Baton Rouge's finest.
The Baton Rouge police department has launched an internal investigation into the actions of officers who allegedly rode on and helped decorate a float that mocked a woman for being raped as a child; by her father.
The theme of the float was of the Baton Rouge reality show, Sons of Guns. It focused on the daughter of the former television star, Will Hayden. Hayden is currently facing sexual assault charges in East Baton Rouge and Livingston Parishes, after being accused of sexually assaulting his own daughter along with two other victims.
The float was "decorated" with a large photo of Stephanie Ford, the sexual assault victim, with the caption underneath her photo stating, "A face only a daddy could love." Other sayings on the float consisted of things like, "Krewe of Sleazania," "Red Jack It" and "Kiss Me Daddy."
http://www.sott.net/article/293528-...oman-for-being-raped-by-her-father-as-a-child
Only in Amerika: Cops make parade float mocking a woman for being raped by her father as a child
Disgusting, repugnant, vile, hateful, despicable. These are just a few words that can be used to describe the actions of several of Baton Rouge's finest.
The Baton Rouge police department has launched an internal investigation into the actions of officers who allegedly rode on and helped decorate a float that mocked a woman for being raped as a child; by her father.
The theme of the float was of the Baton Rouge reality show, Sons of Guns. It focused on the daughter of the former television star, Will Hayden. Hayden is currently facing sexual assault charges in East Baton Rouge and Livingston Parishes, after being accused of sexually assaulting his own daughter along with two other victims.
The float was "decorated" with a large photo of Stephanie Ford, the sexual assault victim, with the caption underneath her photo stating, "A face only a daddy could love." Other sayings on the float consisted of things like, "Krewe of Sleazania," "Red Jack It" and "Kiss Me Daddy."
One of the most depressing and outrageous articles I've ever read, and I'm from India.
I think it´s going to start coming out that Police Departments all over the US having been doing this for years in minority areas.
I´m still waiting for all the right wing anti government patriots to start sticking up for people of Ferguson against all this big government overreach.
I´m still waiting for all the right wing anti government patriots to start sticking up for people of Ferguson against all this big government overreach.
They won't, its them that have been critical of the protesters.
I think the black police are racially biased against black suspects too.
The human mind likes patterns. There are areas where a greatly disproportionate amount of street crime is committed by poor black people. You work dealing with street crime in one of those areas for a while and I think you're at risk of ending up with a subconcious image of a dangerous person, that is black and poor, whatever your race.
Basically what the FBI chief said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31454787
But with some added amateur psychology because talking about it on the internet is more fun than reading the textbook infront of me...
I realize they won´t. For all their anti government, small government, fiscal worries etc, the whole right wing and the tea party are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. They love big government and massive spending when it for arms, military, policing, the pentagon, wars, prisons etc etc. And they seem to be especially fond of spending and governing when it is to negatively affect non whites.
And abortion. They don't want Government to control your personal choices, as long as it's not vaginas.
Yeah, they also love to govern woman.
Nobby, I'm curious why you didn't post the entire context within the link. It's a disgusting act by those involved but post the entire piece so we can view that an investigation is in the process (hopefully so) and other tidbits.
http://www.nola.com/crime/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2015/02/sons_of_guns_mardi_gras_float.html (referenced site within previous link)
I hadn't even heard of the show, or Will Hayden, or Stephanie Ford until this link. She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker like most reality TV shows, which doesn't prove or disprove her claims of sexual abuse. Seems she and her husband, Kris, were arrested a few months ago for an alleged child abuse incident, and her mugshot looks like someone may be dabbling in some drugs.
Has anyone followed the cases?
It's interesting to know the victim chose to "open up" on a televised interview with Dr. Phil. FFS, desire the limelight much?
http://www.nola.com/crime/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2015/02/sons_of_guns_mardi_gras_float.html (referenced site within previous link)
I hadn't even heard of the show, or Will Hayden, or Stephanie Ford until this link. She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker like most reality TV shows, which doesn't prove or disprove her claims of sexual abuse. Seems she and her husband, Kris, were arrested a few months ago for an alleged child abuse incident, and her mugshot looks like someone may be dabbling in some drugs.
Has anyone followed the cases?
It's interesting to know the victim chose to "open up" on a televised interview with Dr. Phil. FFS, desire the limelight much?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ct-south-bronx-clean-air-environmental-racism
Not police related, but symptomatic of a disregard for the well-being of minority neighbourhoods.
"A recent study by the University of Minnesota found that white and minority Americans actually breathe different quality air, with the latter being exposed to 38% higher levels of nitrogen dioxide, a pollutant associated with asthma and heart disease."
Not police related, but symptomatic of a disregard for the well-being of minority neighbourhoods.
"A recent study by the University of Minnesota found that white and minority Americans actually breathe different quality air, with the latter being exposed to 38% higher levels of nitrogen dioxide, a pollutant associated with asthma and heart disease."
It's racial bias and it's a big issue. Not the same as being racist but definitely makes police treat people differently depending on the colour of their skin. To be fair, some police forces in the states acknowledge the phenomenon and are rolling out training to specifically address the issue. Getting cops to recognise their own bias and take it into account when making decisions.
Don't know if anyone here read the DOJ's report on Fergusons cops but here are some pertinent highlights:
I think the most glaring thing I left out was that there are 3 women claiming this guy raped them. 3. His daughter maybe was the last, and maybe dabbling in drugs, but strange things happen when you´ve been molested.
WTF. Why are civilian police running around into residential properties like special forces? Why are they not held accountable for all this sh*t. Boggles the mind.
They really can't help outdoing themselves.
Batshit crazy. How they can charge into someone's house ready to shoot on sight (of anyone) in the first place, and how they can get it so wrong and there aren't provisions in place to make sure they're 100% sure on everything they're about to do.
How is it not against the law to smash windows and throw in flash bang grenades without announcing themselves first? Has federal law always offered its citizens so little protection?
Certainly a lawsuit will be coming from that incident, and rightfully so.
Are there not any kind of civil penalties when police departments get wrong intel and raid (and injure/kill) innocents? If someone returns fire and kills a policeman, is he/she prosecuted?
Are there not any kind of civil penalties when police departments get wrong intel and raid (and injure/kill) innocents? If someone returns fire and kills a policeman, is he/she prosecuted?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Aiyana_Jones
Pretty fecked up when a videographer receives a harsher sentence than the murdering cop.
--Allison Howard, a videographer and photographer with A&E who was also present at the raid, was indicted on obstruction of justice and perjury for allegedly showing a recording of the raid to a "third party".[28][unreliable source?] Federal prosecutors say that Howard had provided false testimony to investigators about the shooting and that Weekley's action were reckless and he had lied to the police in an effort to blame Jones' family for her death.[citation needed] In June 2013, Howard pled "no contest" to an obstruction of justice charge, and the perjury charge against her was dismissed.[29][30] She was sentenced to two years of probation in July 2013 and was fined $2,000.--
Pretty fecked up when a videographer receives a harsher sentence than the murdering cop.
--Allison Howard, a videographer and photographer with A&E who was also present at the raid, was indicted on obstruction of justice and perjury for allegedly showing a recording of the raid to a "third party".[28][unreliable source?] Federal prosecutors say that Howard had provided false testimony to investigators about the shooting and that Weekley's action were reckless and he had lied to the police in an effort to blame Jones' family for her death.[citation needed] In June 2013, Howard pled "no contest" to an obstruction of justice charge, and the perjury charge against her was dismissed.[29][30] She was sentenced to two years of probation in July 2013 and was fined $2,000.--
He got away with it, obviously....
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/31/detroit-aiyana-stanley-jones-police-officer-cleared
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/31/detroit-aiyana-stanley-jones-police-officer-cleared