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#UnitedLegendLiverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Posted this in the match day thread, but since I'm promoted it can probably go here.
First and foremost, congratulations to United on a thoroughly deserved win. I expected us to start this game with a high intensity in your face ferocious pace, instead we were anything but, lackluster, lacking in aggression and failing to live with a simple yet extremely effective approach.Moreno at fault for both goals the lads not a bad player, but he doesn't do enough in an attacking sense and his main strength his crossing, is not a tactic we've ever utilised under Rodgers. I can see why he played Sterling at Wing-back, but it's made us look oh so predictable as neither Coutinho nor Lallana make any runs beyond the striker and Lallana in particular, constantly slows us down on the transition with his ridiculously inefficient Cruyff turns.
United kept the ball really well and dictated the tempo with consummate ease in the first half, i was genuinely astounded in the manner that half panned out I can't recall the last time we were that badly outplayed on home turf, Van Gaal got his tactics spot on. Still even at half time i thought with a few tactical tweaks we would still go on to win, however our captain threw the half time team talk out the window within a minute proceeding to get sent off in ludicrous fashion. We showed fight though, and Sturridge finished nicely and on another day we might've got a point or three, top four looks in doubt, but I'm hoping we're not looking back at this game ruefully as the defining fixture.
Once again well done to United on an excellent performance, definitely deserved on the balance of play, although yer don't half take your time with throw ins and goal kicks.
My Liverpool MOTM- Sakho, another assured defensive display and excellent on the ball, will always have his detractors and will never fully receive the plaudits he deserves due to the ungainly manner in which he plays, but anyone who's followed his career will tell you just how good he is. My pick for captain also.
Overall MOTM- Juan Mata- scored a breathtakingly spectacular goal, was always calm and poised in possession and I noticed he was providing passing angles and opening up channels that weren't always taken advantage of. Shut up the Mourinho bandwagon critics also, did more than his fair share of tracking back.
Great game, hopefully there is a few more twists and turns yet.
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Tactically Van Gaal neutralised our pressing game extremely well and implemented one of his own, that Swansea game seems to be a blueprint for managers and honestly Rodgers should've forseen that and tweaked the formation tactically during the week, his naivety shone through there. Would like to see Lucas and Ibe straight back in with Sterling supporting Sturridge, that should help negate the goal-scoring issue. If not that I'd like to see us switch to a diamond in the middle and push up Sterling and Markovic/Ibe alongside Sturridge to create some width and players who will almost always beat there man. Arsenal game a must win now.
First and foremost, congratulations to United on a thoroughly deserved win. I expected us to start this game with a high intensity in your face ferocious pace, instead we were anything but, lackluster, lacking in aggression and failing to live with a simple yet extremely effective approach.Moreno at fault for both goals the lads not a bad player, but he doesn't do enough in an attacking sense and his main strength his crossing, is not a tactic we've ever utilised under Rodgers. I can see why he played Sterling at Wing-back, but it's made us look oh so predictable as neither Coutinho nor Lallana make any runs beyond the striker and Lallana in particular, constantly slows us down on the transition with his ridiculously inefficient Cruyff turns.
United kept the ball really well and dictated the tempo with consummate ease in the first half, i was genuinely astounded in the manner that half panned out I can't recall the last time we were that badly outplayed on home turf, Van Gaal got his tactics spot on. Still even at half time i thought with a few tactical tweaks we would still go on to win, however our captain threw the half time team talk out the window within a minute proceeding to get sent off in ludicrous fashion. We showed fight though, and Sturridge finished nicely and on another day we might've got a point or three, top four looks in doubt, but I'm hoping we're not looking back at this game ruefully as the defining fixture.
Once again well done to United on an excellent performance, definitely deserved on the balance of play, although yer don't half take your time with throw ins and goal kicks.
My Liverpool MOTM- Sakho, another assured defensive display and excellent on the ball, will always have his detractors and will never fully receive the plaudits he deserves due to the ungainly manner in which he plays, but anyone who's followed his career will tell you just how good he is. My pick for captain also.
Overall MOTM- Juan Mata- scored a breathtakingly spectacular goal, was always calm and poised in possession and I noticed he was providing passing angles and opening up channels that weren't always taken advantage of. Shut up the Mourinho bandwagon critics also, did more than his fair share of tracking back.
Great game, hopefully there is a few more twists and turns yet.
Edit-
Tactically Van Gaal neutralised our pressing game extremely well and implemented one of his own, that Swansea game seems to be a blueprint for managers and honestly Rodgers should've forseen that and tweaked the formation tactically during the week, his naivety shone through there. Would like to see Lucas and Ibe straight back in with Sterling supporting Sturridge, that should help negate the goal-scoring issue. If not that I'd like to see us switch to a diamond in the middle and push up Sterling and Markovic/Ibe alongside Sturridge to create some width and players who will almost always beat there man. Arsenal game a must win now.
Rodgers is 42.
Louis van Gaal was 44 when he won the champions league with a bunch of dutch kids, he almost defended it the year after had it not been for a loss to Juventus on penalties in the final! I think he was 41 when he won the Uefa cup.
Mourinho was 41 when he won the champions league with FC Porto, aged 40 he did a treble I think winning the domestic league, domestic cup and Uefa Cup.
Guardiola was 38 when he won the treble with Barcelona including champions league.
Alex Ferguson was 35 when he won the scottish league with St. Mirren, 38 when he did it again with Aberdeen and 41 when he won the Uefa cup with Aberdeen.
A club like Liverpool should be challenging for the highest honours, you can't let your standards slip, you can't become a club that hires managers who have a lot of learning to do (every manager grows but they should already have mastery at this age). Rodgers should be given another season or two, three at most, last season justifies that, if you don't look like challenging for the championship though soon then you need to start looking elsewhere but of course only sack him when you have an excellent manager lined up.
Restoring Liverpool to its former glory is a challenge that I'm sure would interest some top managers. Louis van Gaal was available in 2009, he applied for the Sunderland job, they thought Steve Bruce was the better manager and hired him instead, in the end Louis van Gaal got himself a job at a Bayern team in crisis. Now Benitez did brilliant in 2008 - 09 but the next season you were looking for a new manager, Louis van Gaal's availability came a season too early but the point is managers with track records do become available and they will be interested.
What if Ancelotti (won champions league aged 43) joins City and Simeone (aged 42 won Europa league) wants to leave too this season, Simeone might find getting a top job difficult due to availability and so a destination like Liverpool might be attractive. Of course for now you should stick with Rodgers but the point is if he doesn't deliver soon then there will always be managers with good records looking for new jobs and it might be worth exploring that because Liverpool should be winning championships and champions leagues, Rodgers really isn't that young even though he tries to act it, you know fake tans, teeth whitening, cheating on his wife, renting an apartment from one of his players, he wants to be with the cool kids but he really needs to grow up and start acting like a manager.
I take your points @Empire but the fact you're using the world's best managers as a yardstick to assess Rodgers is pretty reassuring. Rodgers gets a bad press on here, when he does wonderfully well he gets faint praise but always a suspicion of fluke. As soon as he has one or two bad games everyone will jump on him from a great height a do Stevie G on his head for good measure.
In some ways I'm happy that you lot now, finally, acknowledge that he's no Moyes or Martinez (managers also considered better than him on here not more than 18 months ago).
Simeone won't come here, Klopp would be a gamble considering the season he's just had. Ancelloti won't want to touch us (City bound probably). Out of every other remaining realistic managers out there I'd take Rodgers over all of them.
#gloryglorymanutd
In some ways I'm happy that you lot now, finally, acknowledge that he's no Moyes or Martinez (managers also considered better than him on here not more than 18 months ago).
Simeone won't come here, Klopp would be a gamble considering the season he's just had. Ancelloti won't want to touch us (City bound probably). Out of every other remaining realistic managers out there I'd take Rodgers over all of them.
#gloryglorymanutd
did you lose a bet or something?@Dumbstar
I would use the same measurement if Moyes was at United. I'm using the best managers to compare the Liverpool manager, even if it was Hodgson it's the same, that's on the assumption I think a club with Liverpool's history and finances would still be attractive to some top managers in world football therefore Rodgers (or whoever is in charge) needs to prove they are in that category but if they aren't then they are not good enough for the club.
Those managers I mentioned at Rodgers' age had won leagues and champions leagues or Europa leagues (and many of those sides didn't have the financial power of Liverpool), Rodgers doesn't look like doing either anytime soon and if he doesn't then he might not be good enough for the club.
What is your ambition for Liverpool? Because I'm not sure I would use the term young to describe him if you want to be one of the best in Europe.
I would use the same measurement if Moyes was at United. I'm using the best managers to compare the Liverpool manager, even if it was Hodgson it's the same, that's on the assumption I think a club with Liverpool's history and finances would still be attractive to some top managers in world football therefore Rodgers (or whoever is in charge) needs to prove they are in that category but if they aren't then they are not good enough for the club.
Those managers I mentioned at Rodgers' age had won leagues and champions leagues or Europa leagues (and many of those sides didn't have the financial power of Liverpool), Rodgers doesn't look like doing either anytime soon and if he doesn't then he might not be good enough for the club.
What is your ambition for Liverpool? Because I'm not sure I would use the term young to describe him if you want to be one of the best in Europe.
My ambition for him is to get a proper team together, so we can start a season reasonably strongly. We know we can finish it strongly. My dream is for him to win us the league soon, if not then be right up there challenging for it. It will make all you laugh and label me a WUM again but he does make footballers play some neat football.
However, he still has some learning to do against some counter-formations and European experience. However, that all comes with time and losses. When you lose you learn more than when you win. I'm hoping he's making use of those notes he takes.
#gloryglorymanutd
Fair enough, it's going to be difficult to break into the top four if he can't this season, the rivals will strengthen. Perhaps with better defending he can start well and then who knows, if he is one of the best managers he needs to prove it in the next few seasons, he is at an age now where he needs to be winning things.
Posted this in the match day thread, but since I'm promoted it can probably go here.
First and foremost, congratulations to United on a thoroughly deserved win. I expected us to start this game with a high intensity in your face ferocious pace, instead we were anything but, lackluster, lacking in aggression and failing to live with a simple yet extremely effective approach.Moreno at fault for both goals the lads not a bad player, but he doesn't do enough in an attacking sense and his main strength his crossing, is not a tactic we've ever utilised under Rodgers. I can see why he played Sterling at Wing-back, but it's made us look oh so predictable as neither Coutinho nor Lallana make any runs beyond the striker and Lallana in particular, constantly slows us down on the transition with his ridiculously inefficient Cruyff turns.
United kept the ball really well and dictated the tempo with consummate ease in the first half, i was genuinely astounded in the manner that half panned out I can't recall the last time we were that badly outplayed on home turf, Van Gaal got his tactics spot on. Still even at half time i thought with a few tactical tweaks we would still go on to win, however our captain threw the half time team talk out the window within a minute proceeding to get sent off in ludicrous fashion. We showed fight though, and Sturridge finished nicely and on another day we might've got a point or three, top four looks in doubt, but I'm hoping we're not looking back at this game ruefully as the defining fixture.
Once again well done to United on an excellent performance, definitely deserved on the balance of play, although yer don't half take your time with throw ins and goal kicks.
My Liverpool MOTM- Sakho, another assured defensive display and excellent on the ball, will always have his detractors and will never fully receive the plaudits he deserves due to the ungainly manner in which he plays, but anyone who's followed his career will tell you just how good he is. My pick for captain also.
Overall MOTM- Juan Mata- scored a breathtakingly spectacular goal, was always calm and poised in possession and I noticed he was providing passing angles and opening up channels that weren't always taken advantage of. Shut up the Mourinho bandwagon critics also, did more than his fair share of tracking back.
Great game, hopefully there is a few more twists and turns yet.
Edit-
Tactically Van Gaal neutralised our pressing game extremely well and implemented one of his own, that Swansea game seems to be a blueprint for managers and honestly Rodgers should've forseen that and tweaked the formation tactically during the week, his naivety shone through there. Would like to see Lucas and Ibe straight back in with Sterling supporting Sturridge, that should help negate the goal-scoring issue. If not that I'd like to see us switch to a diamond in the middle and push up Sterling and Markovic/Ibe alongside Sturridge to create some width and players who will almost always beat there man. Arsenal game a must win now.
Posted this in the match day thread, but since I'm promoted it can probably go here.
First and foremost, congratulations to United on a thoroughly deserved win. I expected us to start this game with a high intensity in your face ferocious pace, instead we were anything but, lackluster, lacking in aggression and failing to live with a simple yet extremely effective approach.Moreno at fault for both goals the lads not a bad player, but he doesn't do enough in an attacking sense and his main strength his crossing, is not a tactic we've ever utilised under Rodgers. I can see why he played Sterling at Wing-back, but it's made us look oh so predictable as neither Coutinho nor Lallana make any runs beyond the striker and Lallana in particular, constantly slows us down on the transition with his ridiculously inefficient Cruyff turns.
United kept the ball really well and dictated the tempo with consummate ease in the first half, i was genuinely astounded in the manner that half panned out I can't recall the last time we were that badly outplayed on home turf, Van Gaal got his tactics spot on. Still even at half time i thought with a few tactical tweaks we would still go on to win, however our captain threw the half time team talk out the window within a minute proceeding to get sent off in ludicrous fashion. We showed fight though, and Sturridge finished nicely and on another day we might've got a point or three, top four looks in doubt, but I'm hoping we're not looking back at this game ruefully as the defining fixture.
Once again well done to United on an excellent performance, definitely deserved on the balance of play, although yer don't half take your time with throw ins and goal kicks.
My Liverpool MOTM- Sakho, another assured defensive display and excellent on the ball, will always have his detractors and will never fully receive the plaudits he deserves due to the ungainly manner in which he plays, but anyone who's followed his career will tell you just how good he is. My pick for captain also.
Overall MOTM- Juan Mata- scored a breathtakingly spectacular goal, was always calm and poised in possession and I noticed he was providing passing angles and opening up channels that weren't always taken advantage of. Shut up the Mourinho bandwagon critics also, did more than his fair share of tracking back.
Great game, hopefully there is a few more twists and turns yet.
Edit-
Tactically Van Gaal neutralised our pressing game extremely well and implemented one of his own, that Swansea game seems to be a blueprint for managers and honestly Rodgers should've forseen that and tweaked the formation tactically during the week, his naivety shone through there. Would like to see Lucas and Ibe straight back in with Sterling supporting Sturridge, that should help negate the goal-scoring issue. If not that I'd like to see us switch to a diamond in the middle and push up Sterling and Markovic/Ibe alongside Sturridge to create some width and players who will almost always beat there man. Arsenal game a must win now.
Welcome to the mains
Posted this in the match day thread, but since I'm promoted it can probably go here.
First and foremost, congratulations to United on a thoroughly deserved win. I expected us to start this game with a high intensity in your face ferocious pace, instead we were anything but, lackluster, lacking in aggression and failing to live with a simple yet extremely effective approach.Moreno at fault for both goals the lads not a bad player, but he doesn't do enough in an attacking sense and his main strength his crossing, is not a tactic we've ever utilised under Rodgers. I can see why he played Sterling at Wing-back, but it's made us look oh so predictable as neither Coutinho nor Lallana make any runs beyond the striker and Lallana in particular, constantly slows us down on the transition with his ridiculously inefficient Cruyff turns.
United kept the ball really well and dictated the tempo with consummate ease in the first half, i was genuinely astounded in the manner that half panned out I can't recall the last time we were that badly outplayed on home turf, Van Gaal got his tactics spot on. Still even at half time i thought with a few tactical tweaks we would still go on to win, however our captain threw the half time team talk out the window within a minute proceeding to get sent off in ludicrous fashion. We showed fight though, and Sturridge finished nicely and on another day we might've got a point or three, top four looks in doubt, but I'm hoping we're not looking back at this game ruefully as the defining fixture.
Once again well done to United on an excellent performance, definitely deserved on the balance of play, although yer don't half take your time with throw ins and goal kicks.
My Liverpool MOTM- Sakho, another assured defensive display and excellent on the ball, will always have his detractors and will never fully receive the plaudits he deserves due to the ungainly manner in which he plays, but anyone who's followed his career will tell you just how good he is. My pick for captain also.
Overall MOTM- Juan Mata- scored a breathtakingly spectacular goal, was always calm and poised in possession and I noticed he was providing passing angles and opening up channels that weren't always taken advantage of. Shut up the Mourinho bandwagon critics also, did more than his fair share of tracking back.
Great game, hopefully there is a few more twists and turns yet.
Edit-
Tactically Van Gaal neutralised our pressing game extremely well and implemented one of his own, that Swansea game seems to be a blueprint for managers and honestly Rodgers should've forseen that and tweaked the formation tactically during the week, his naivety shone through there. Would like to see Lucas and Ibe straight back in with Sterling supporting Sturridge, that should help negate the goal-scoring issue. If not that I'd like to see us switch to a diamond in the middle and push up Sterling and Markovic/Ibe alongside Sturridge to create some width and players who will almost always beat there man. Arsenal game a must win now.
Nice post Liver_bird - thank you. You'll be a very welcome addition to the Mains.
sorry, meant to quote LiverBird
Actually, just about as many people who have followed his career will say otherwise. He's got as many fans as he has detractors.
But anyway, good post overall, and welcome to the mains. Try not to go crazy like all the other Scousers!
Sturridge pulled out of the England games through injury, but wouldn't be surprised to see him start against Arsenal tbh
Can's out as well after having his ankles broken by Blind.
Errr...I got promoted over 3 years ago, but thanks mate!
We'll have to agree to disagree then.Actually, just about as many people who have followed his career will say otherwise. He's got as many fans as he has detractors.
But anyway, good post overall, and welcome to the mains. Try not to go crazy like all the other Scousers!
We'll have to agree to disagree then.
FWIW, I think Sakho's a very average defender. I think he's overrated by 'pool fans, but at the same time, opposition fans (i.e. most on here) put too much significance on the moments of madness and lapses in concentration that he's had.
Quite certainly I and most other Liverpool fans I know think he's the bees knees, most opposition fans think he's awful or like you say, very average. As is often the case the truth lies somewhere in between, good defender with a lot of potential scope for improvement. Certainly the best in his position we have at the club, his play style will always mean those lapses of concentration he has are accentuated by fans and pundits alike.
What a shame Can hasn't played a single minute at the match at Old Trafford otherwise his record against us would beCan's out as well after having his ankles broken by Blind.
Leverkusen
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+ Valencia (Yeah Antonio Valencia) totally destroyed him in both matches in his Leverkusen days, this gif above and the foul against Blind for the penalty
Agreed, was a weapon!
I think this is a brilliant post.
On Sturridge, is he really injured? Or is he just going to miss the international break to ensure he doesn't actually get injured?
Why do you think you've started the last two seasons so poorly? You've picked up pace after new year, although you were far more convincing last year.
We started last season with three wins and we were top at Christmas.
Are you sure you watch football?
My bad as I was sure you started last season slow. But you do seem to become stronger as the season progresses and wanted some thoughts on that. No need to be rude as I do watch my fair share of football, yes.
What's with the attitude? Gerrard-esque aggression there.
You're right, Liverpool only managed to pick up two more points than us in the first half of last season (and we were awful) and lost 5 games by the end of the year, sitting in 5th place.
My apologies, a bit cranky this morning.
Liverpool players falling like flies?
Sturridge out?
Can?
Sturridge out?
Can?
I haven't seen any reports of Can being injured. Sturridge is though, not sure what with yet.
He is made of glass.
Sakho looked very good in this game, I've seen a lot of people here mocking his passing and composure. Was this one off or is he quite good CB?
I hope this game makes a lot of demage on their confidence.
I hope this game makes a lot of demage on their confidence.
Yeah, really bad season for him so far. Injury wise.
Hip apparently, read a report that he reported for international duty and was actually sent home by the England medical team after they examined him.
We can agree to disagree on his level, no problem, but that wasn't the point I was making. You said 'anyone that's followed his career will tell you how good he is'. Given I live in Paris, I have a lot of PSG supporting mates who have followed his career, and their rating of him is definitely not as unanimous as you're trying to make out.We'll have to agree to disagree then.
You just know Sturridge will be back and firing by the time the league re-starts.
Let's hope so - England medical team sent him home so he was obviously keen to join and be involved with the squad.
Break's come at a good time for them. They've not really played well for a few weeks drawing with Blackburn at Anfield and also playing quite poorly against Swansea.
He's just a bit ungainly on the ball but his passing is fairly decent he usually picks out good forward agressive passes when given time. The only times he gets in a muddle is when there's no outlet for him to pass to, or he's sometimes guilty of dwelling on the ball slightly too long and inviting pressure. He'd be the first defender on my teamsheet thats for sure.
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Fair enough, I was basing my opinion on the very small handful of PSG and french fans i know, never a good overall barometer.