He's not a RB by trade so we are bound to see the odd lapse - his good points far outweighed any negative ones today.
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He's not a RB by trade so we are bound to see the odd lapse - his good points far outweighed any negative ones today.
A question to ask is perhaps the standard to compare him with ? Which RB in the Premier League is actually playing magnificent ?
Hes been good since that failed backpass against Arsenal. His crossing still needs work though but thought it was better today overall.
He's a tank.
Feck me, of all the thingsThe hell was he doing for the first goal
I think we need someone better at linking up play as well, but other than that he's made some good tackles today.
.Absolute beast today.
Was shite for their first goal and recovered well after letting Aguero go beyond the defence onside.
Was very good for the rest of the game though and his strength and pace are real assets. Still don't think he should be starting over Rafa or be our no. 1 RB next season though.
Was very good for the rest of the game though and his strength and pace are real assets. Still don't think he should be starting over Rafa or be our no. 1 RB next season though.
After all both him and Blind are not defenders and I don't fault them unless the made some basic mistakes you don't expect from a player of their quality
Did really well on Aguero on couple of occasions and was overall an improved defensive performance from him.
Oh absolutely. As I said in my original post, he went into absolute beast mode after the 1st 15mins or so. Brilliant performance overall.
I thought he's always a pretty useful player. I for one agreed with LVG's assessment of him for the arsenal fa cup game. Yes he made the mistake which gifted them the goal, but that is a lapse in concentration. How can you complain about him when he has otherwise been the best player on the pitch (arsenal game). Anyway other people have said it on here, the good outweighs the bad with Tony, especially the work rate. He's better at right back than a lot of natural right backs. Comparing with Rafael, he doesn't get injured as much as rafa does and has less mistakes in him than rafa.
Feck me, of all the things
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Think a lot of Herrera and Mata's play is wasted by Valencia at times.
This place is a fecking loony bin. Either that or we have a lot of seriously proffesional WUMs. He is at mistake for the first goal (diving in, jogging back, ball watching, out of position) and then gets praised for recovering from his own feck up that Aguero should've finished before he had the chance to recover. Yet people are calling him a beast?!
What part of that do you disagree with?
All of it.
His own feck up? How was that Valencia's fault?
EDIT: Talking about the Aguero bit here. I do agree about him being at fault for the 1st goal. Started the game poorly.
Maybe I should lend you some of my pills then.
He played him onside to begin with, Smalling stepped forward, Valencia stepped back and way way behind the defensive line.
Would need to watch that again then as I dont remember it like that.
It still was superb defensive work to get a goal kick out of that. As was his rest of the game, bar the 1st 15 odd mins.
Have to admit, I wasn't a fan of him playing at RB but he has changed my mind this season. He was been immense in for the last few games. His power and pace gives Mata a lot of room to attack and do his own thing. I'm honestly sold on Valencia at RB.
Linking up play is one of his biggest assets and always has been. Even when he was utter shite people said he links up well with Rafael on the right, it's what he does next that's been a problem.
Positionally he's still getting caught out at times, but fortunately he can often make up for it with his pace and strength.
I can see it going one of 2 ways for the Chelsea game... Hazard sits in Valencia's pocket for 90 mins OR Valencia gets caught out once or twice and we get punished.
I can see it going one of 2 ways for the Chelsea game... Hazard sits in Valencia's pocket for 90 mins OR Valencia gets caught out once or twice and we get punished.
Still feel like Herrera and Mata are making movements he's not picking up quick enough. Especially when he can only use his right foot.
It's like picking the things Valencia is not good at and adding them to the "basics"
You really are being incredibly harsh on him for some odd reason. He wasn't at fault for any of the goals.. well obviously not in the match you were watching.
Its not my fault he can't do the basics of a fullback role. They are very obvious.
How do you think lots of rightbacks make their careers in the game when they arent even close to the athletic ability of Valencia?
They aren't a liability positionally and don't foul throw everytime they are expected to take a throw in - which if you count it, its likely to be like 3 or 4 per half in a decent team. Those are the very basics you are taught at a young age, its not my fault if Valencia foul throws and is out of position all the time. Someone like Phil Bardsley can manage those things, they are very simple.
If anyone seriously thinks all a fullback needs to do is what Valencia does well, make some tackles and make runs, then I dont think they understand football. Its a team game, especially defensively and those are individual things that might catch the eye of the casual observer - same as sprinting back and tackling Aguero, but most of a fullback's game is not going to be a highlight reel. Everytime a fullback steps up and plays Aguero offside instead might not stand out as much, but its far better defending.
Yeah go to page 61/62 for the blowup of it. Do you think that for a defender 2 total feck ups, one resulting in a goal, the other that almost - is acceptable? I don't.
Ander's position isnt to counter. He's not a forward. We saw him in our own box making clearances today and he wasnt covering for a CB, he was just fulfilling his obligations as a CM.
Besides it was almost always Smalling pulling wide because Ander has work to do in the middle, and more often than not is pressing high up the pitch which can easily take him out of the game if he doesnt manage to pinch it
Give over. First goal he was certainly at fault (as were a few others) it was poor defending all round (though he was the main culprit) - but after that he was feckin' as solid as you want. I mean, you're getting at him for playing Sergio Aguero onside? Big sodding woop... So long as he atoned for the error (and he did so brilliantly) then who gives a flying toss? Playing someone marginally onside that high up the pitch isn't the biggest crime in the world - so he full deserves praise for snuffing out the chance. He also cut out a pass quite brilliantly in the second half that would have put Aguero through... as well as generally bullied Clichy/Milner/Silva up and down the pitch (which was pretty funny really).
He could still be so much more positive attacking, he always looks nervous and clueless. Defensively though he has been awesome, his 1 on 1 defending is some of the best as a fullback I can remember. People just struggle to get passed him on the outside due to his strength and speed.
Your capacity for talking utter balls - in a needlessly complicated way - never ceases to amaze. Well done.
If you find it complicated it would explain a lot.
Feck me he's strong, ay!
Your failure to grasp the meaning of the word "needlessly" also speaks volumes.
Throw ins ffs. Pathetic...
Big sodding woop? On another day that's a goal, again he was only able to atone because of a poor first touch. That's 2 massive errors in one half.
Aye, for a winger playing at RB you would think attacking will his strong point, but it isn't. Luckily Mata has been class, so all he needs to do is defend.
Are we talking about the first goal here? Because when Milner plays the ball, Silva isn't even close to being offside, he's about 3 yards from the offside trap with 5 players playing him onside. And fwiw Valencia was in line with Jones to boot.
He wasn't really good and at fault for the goal but surely got better as the game went on. Still, City attacked down our right for a reason
Honestly, this was a typical Valencia at RB performance, no more, no less.
He's terrible positionally, but he has enough pace and power to make up for it if it's on his side of the pitch. No excuse for going to sleep for the first goal though, that was a lack of effort as well as a lack of intelligence.
Going forwards, it's the same old also. He could burst past virtually any defender if he wanted to, but doesn't do it enough - I was screaming at him to go for it every time David bloody Silva was standing in front of him. End product was same-ish, although very late on he actually got his head up and picked a very good pullback to Mata, who couldn't quite sort his feet out.
He's terrible positionally, but he has enough pace and power to make up for it if it's on his side of the pitch. No excuse for going to sleep for the first goal though, that was a lack of effort as well as a lack of intelligence.
Going forwards, it's the same old also. He could burst past virtually any defender if he wanted to, but doesn't do it enough - I was screaming at him to go for it every time David bloody Silva was standing in front of him. End product was same-ish, although very late on he actually got his head up and picked a very good pullback to Mata, who couldn't quite sort his feet out.
No, im talking about the mistake before the recovery tackle he made when Augero miscontrolled it when he was clear in on goal.