American Cops Doing What They Do Best

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem with the Police in the USA is the USA itself.

The county is full of guns and gun nuts. People brought up with firearms using them as the norm. Police Officers represent a proportion of this society and are put in various situations daily within that society.

Recipe for disaster, errors and sadly deaths.
 
TheReligion said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem with the Police in the USA is the USA itself.

The county is full of guns and gun nuts. People brought up with firearms using them as the norm. Police Officers represent a proportion of this society and are put in various situations daily within that society.

Recipe for disaster, errors and sadly deaths.
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It certainly is.
 
I'm still looking for the thread about the two cops shot in Canada the other day. The one that died was from Manchester and had transferred from GMP in England.

Guess that doesn't make headlines, bump threads or sell papers though and you can rest assured no one will march as a result of it.
 
TheReligion said:
I'm still looking for the thread about the two cops shot in Canada the other day. The one that died was from Manchester and had transferred from GMP in England.

Guess that doesn't make headlines, bump threads or sell papers though and you can rest assured no one will march as a result of it.
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I'd guess that it's because you don't expect the cops to be the criminals.
 
TheReligion said:
I'm still looking for the thread about the two cops shot in Canada the other day. The one that died was from Manchester and had transferred from GMP in England.

Guess that doesn't make headlines, bump threads or sell papers though and you can rest assured no one will march as a result of it.
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Come on now. Surely you realize the difference. Police who kill civilians are often not prosecuted or not convicted. Civilians who kill police damn sure will be.
 
TheReligion said:
I'm still looking for the thread about the two cops shot in Canada the other day. The one that died was from Manchester and had transferred from GMP in England.

Guess that doesn't make headlines, bump threads or sell papers though and you can rest assured no one will march as a result of it.
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No-one is stopping you from creating one.
 
TheReligion said:
That's the point I'm making in a tongue in cheek way.

No one is bothered about that but would sooner discuss a girl being shoved on the floor at a pool party.
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Making a thread about Police officers getting killed in the line of duty is a bit like making a thread about lumberjacks killed by falling trees or fisherman drowning at sea. It doesn't mean people aren't bothered about it though.
 
langster said:
Making a thread about Police officers getting killed in the line of duty is a bit like making a thread about lumberjacks killed by falling trees or fisherman drowning at sea. It doesn't mean people aren't bothered about it though.
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Is making a thread about a criminal being shot by the cops the same?

Occupational hazard?
 
Grinner said:
Do you genuinely not understand why that incident is being discussed?
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We all understand why it's being discussed but not all of us agree in the way it's being discussed - or the incidents that led up to the altercation in the first place not being discussed at all.

My own Mother would have treated me worse than that cop did that girl if I was caught trespassing at a place and the cops had to be called out to control the scene.
 
Eboue said:
I do agree that it's unfair to expect American police officers to react the same way as police officers in other similar countries. The fact that so many people have guns escalates every situation.
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I agree, I said the same thing earlier. It's always a big thing if you see armed Police in the UK, especially if you don't live in a city. I always get the feeling something is afoot when I see cops with guns here. It really does draw gasps from passers by and many are almost shocked by the sight.
 
If people were always well behaved we wouldn't need police. They need to treat everyone with restraint and professionalism whether its some teen giving them a bit of gob or a fecking serial child murderer. It's important to their job for so many reasons. If they can't act with professionalism and restraint then they are doing their job wrong.

They should probably be paid way more to do that in fairness but the fact is that the police out there now chose that job and the responsibilities and risks that come with it.
 
Shamwow said:
If people were always well behaved we wouldn't need police. They need to treat everyone with restraint and professionalism whether its some teen giving them a bit of gob or a fecking serial child murderer. It's important to their job for so many reasons. If they can't act with professionalism and restraint then they are doing their job wrong.

They should probably be paid way more to do that in fairness but the fact is that the police out there now chose that job and the responsibilities and risks that come with it.
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Just because thr job has risks doesn't mean it should be accepted that cops get shot and killed without batting an eyelid.

Most people I know are proud of the job they do despite a small proportion of society intent on causing issues at every opportunity.

It's a thankless job the majority of the time.
 
Shamwow said:
If people were always well behaved we wouldn't need police. They need to treat everyone with restraint and professionalism whether its some teen giving them a bit of gob or a fecking serial child murderer. It's important to their job for so many reasons. If they can't act with professionalism and restraint then they are doing their job wrong.
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Not sure if this comment is tongue and cheek - but if not, it's a ridiculous statement at best. The public outcry about these incidents wouldn't hold a candle to what would occur if the cops let some serial killer through their fingers because they were professionally talking to them...only to find out that same serial killer committed two murders after that professional discussion. The cops would take 100% of the heat for letting them loose or not investigating deep enough into them. The ironic part is that the outcry in that scenario would come from the same folks that it's coming from right now. Forget the serial killer analogy because it really is really doesn't apply. How about the criminal who the cops had a chance to subdue or hand cuff that

Think about what you just said - you want cops to treat someone who fits the description of a rapists, murderer, violent criminal the same as your Mom when she gets pulled over for speeding? I would gladly give up 5 minutes of being questioned in handcuffs if it meant that police were actively out looking for a dangerous criminal that happened to look like me.
 
bpet15 said:
Think about what you just said - you want cops to treat someone who fits the description of a rapists, murderer, violent criminal the same as your Mom when she gets pulled over for speeding? I would gladly give up 5 minutes of being questioned in handcuffs if it meant that police were actively out looking for a dangerous criminal that happened to look like me.
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I don't think that is what he just said. Nor is it an accurate description of stop and frisk policies.
 
TheReligion said:
I'm still looking for the thread about the two cops shot in Canada the other day. The one that died was from Manchester and had transferred from GMP in England.

Guess that doesn't make headlines, bump threads or sell papers though and you can rest assured no one will march as a result of it.
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If the police were systematically abused by people with more authority than them it would certainly have a thread. As should be evidenced by the fact that whenever the government cuts your budget we complain about it. This thread isn't about one off incidents, it's about the systematic way the American police abuses, mostly, black people.
 
bpet15 said:
Not sure if this comment is tongue and cheek - but if not, it's a ridiculous statement at best. The public outcry about these incidents wouldn't hold a candle to what would occur if the cops let some serial killer through their fingers because they were professionally talking to them...only to find out that same serial killer committed two murders after that professional discussion. The cops would take 100% of the heat for letting them loose or not investigating deep enough into them. The ironic part is that the outcry in that scenario would come from the same folks that it's coming from right now. Forget the serial killer analogy because it really is really doesn't apply. How about the criminal who the cops had a chance to subdue or hand cuff that

Think about what you just said - you want cops to treat someone who fits the description of a rapists, murderer, violent criminal the same as your Mom when she gets pulled over for speeding? I would gladly give up 5 minutes of being questioned in handcuffs if it meant that police were actively out looking for a dangerous criminal that happened to look like me.
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That isn't what I said at all. Look up the definitions of restraint and professionalism.
 
bpet15 said:
Not sure if this comment is tongue and cheek - but if not, it's a ridiculous statement at best. The public outcry about these incidents wouldn't hold a candle to what would occur if the cops let some serial killer through their fingers because they were professionally talking to them...only to find out that same serial killer committed two murders after that professional discussion. The cops would take 100% of the heat for letting them loose or not investigating deep enough into them. The ironic part is that the outcry in that scenario would come from the same folks that it's coming from right now. Forget the serial killer analogy because it really is really doesn't apply. How about the criminal who the cops had a chance to subdue or hand cuff that

Think about what you just said - you want cops to treat someone who fits the description of a rapists, murderer, violent criminal the same as your Mom when she gets pulled over for speeding? I would gladly give up 5 minutes of being questioned in handcuffs if it meant that police were actively out looking for a dangerous criminal that happened to look like me.
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If someone gave the police a vague description of a killer, a vague description that would fit your mum, would you be fine with them tackling her to the ground and beating seven shades of shit out of her?
 
TheReligion said:
Just because thr job has risks doesn't mean it should be accepted that cops get shot and killed without batting an eyelid.

Most people I know are proud of the job they do despite a small proportion of society intent on causing issues at every opportunity.

It's a thankless job the majority of the time.
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No it shouldn't be. We should mourn those who die in the line of their duty while serving the people.

However, you have to consider the climate in which this has occurred. There have been plenty of times that I can remember where police officers being killed has resulted in a lot of news coverage and national outcry - one that springs to mind for me was the local murder of two female officers, Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone which was huge news for weeks over here. At the moment though, such a story isn't going to get as much traction. As sad as it is, it's the nature of things.

Also it's harder to protest criminals that it is to protest organisations.

You have to understand that this isn't just outcry at a small proportion of officers. It's the institutionalised covering up that seems to happen at all levels and only just seems to be really getting exposed due to recent advances in technology (i.e. very widespread use of camera phones). Something needs to be done about that before the wider public can truly trust the police as an organisation.
 
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Well in the UK you don't need to worry.

You'll rarely see the Police anymore so all these cover ups won't be able to happen.
 
TheReligion said:
Just because thr job has risks doesn't mean it should be accepted that cops get shot and killed without batting an eyelid.

Most people I know are proud of the job they do despite a small proportion of society intent on causing issues at every opportunity.

It's a thankless job the majority of the time.
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Well that's a load of shit. Two cops were murdered here last summer and there was huge outcry. People lined the route of their funeral procession with flags and flowers. It's always a big deal.
 
Grinner said:
Well that's a load of shit. Two cops were murdered here last summer and there was huge outcry. People lined the route of their funeral procession with flags and flowers. It's always a big deal.
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It is thankless believe you me. You can be a hero one minute then have everyone wanting you sacked the next.

You mentioned earlier cops are trained to deal with stress and seeing gruesome things? They aren't. There's no amount of training you can do for dealing with what most cops do throughout their service with little thanks or recognition.

Sad really.
 
TheReligion said:
It is thankless believe you me. You can be a hero one minute then have everyone wanting you sacked the next.

You mentioned earlier cops are trained to deal with stress and seeing gruesome things? They aren't. There's no amount of training you can do for dealing with what most cops do throughout their service with little thanks or recognition.

Sad really.
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Who else gets thanked for doing their job? I'm not surprised that you rarely get thanked seeing as you're usually nicking someone.
 
"Thanks officer, I know you just wasted 10 minutes of our precious time on this planet searching me for drugs I finished last night, but keep up the good work." Doesn't really work, not with sincerity of course. I'm sure the odd joe who's bike you get will be thrilled though. Well, not anymore obviously, you won't have half the budget for those crimes from now on presumably.

Every service worker gets treated like shit by the dicks of society, from supermarket shelvers to McDonalds employees to bus drivers. And they won't ever get a tenth the recognition for their jobs.
 
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I actually did thank a copper after he gave me a caution once, not for the caution but just because he was really reasonable throughout the whole situation.
 
From the NY times. Who knows if they deliberated over that last sentence or if it was rushed but either way he's missed an apology.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/1...ived-at-pool-party-lawyer-says.html?referrer=

HOUSTON — The police officer in McKinney, Tex., who resigned after a cellphone video was circulated showing him shoving a black teenager in a bikini to the ground outside a pool party offered an apology Wednesday through his lawyer, who tried to explain the officer’s actions by saying that he was under stress after responding to two earlier calls involving a suicide and a suicide attempt.

Before arriving at the pool party on Friday, the officer, Cpl. David Eric Casebolt, had helped console the grieving widow of a man who had shot himself in the head in front of his children, and had assisted in photographing the body, and then in a separate case calmed a teenage girl who was threatening to commit suicide by jumping off her parents’ roof, said his lawyer, Jane E. Bishkin.

“The nature of these two suicide calls took an emotional toll on Eric Casebolt,” Ms. Bishkin told reporters in Dallas, adding, “With all that had happened that day, he allowed his emotions to get the better of him.”

“He never intended to mistreat anyone, but was only reacting to a situation and the challenges that it presented,” Ms. Bishkin said. “He apologizes to all who were offended.”
 
Silva said:
If someone gave the police a vague description of a killer, a vague description that would fit your mum, would you be fine with them tackling her to the ground and beating seven shades of shit out of her?
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And here is where the misconception come into play. Police officers don't just run up and tackle someone - you are exaggerating the situation. Every single incident we have seen involves someone disobeying the commands of officer - that's when the tackling takes place...or even worse.

I would have no issues if a police officer stopped my Mom and asked her questions and even frisked her if she fit the description of a criminal. Furthermore, if police asked her to stop because they wanted to ask her questions and she started running away or approaching the officer in an angry or dangerous manner or not following their reasonable requests - she should expect to get tackled. Thing is, my Mom is smart enough not to do that.

I think we don't see eye to eye on the "reasonable" request definition.
 
Grinner said:
Who else gets thanked for doing their job? I'm not surprised that you rarely get thanked seeing as you're usually nicking someone.
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It's actually a pleasant surprise how often I am thanked. Obviously not usually from the ones being arrested (although a few times that's happened as well) but from random people while on duty, to people I've given tickets to as well.

Amazing what professionalism and a friendly attitude can have.

There's still people that argue and give you shit for doing your job. Just gotta havea thick enough skin to let it roll off your back. Easier said than done sometimes though, admittedly.
 
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