De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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Snow said:
Not sure what you're comparing here. Courtois was unproven and young and behind Cech in a the pecking order. He was extremely lucky that Atlético took a punt on him and he got to play as much as he did. Why would he leave Chelsea before even playing for them when he's guaranteed the nr. 1 spot?
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I'm not sure what you mean - he was unproven at which point, when he was first bought by Chelsea? He was obviously very proven and considered one of the top prospects at the start of this season, but that was thanks to Atlético rather than Chelsea as you rightly point out.

What I'm saying is, at the start of this season, he could quite easily have been less than enamoured at playing for a club that loaned him out for 3 consecutive years (and I think I remember articles claiming he wanted to stay at Atletico but they didn't have the financial muscle to push Chelsea around; could be wrong though). By that point he had at most 2 years left on his contract, and yet he was happy to play for Chelsea and sign a contract extension. Again, at that point, he was already considered a top notch prospect and could have pushed to play anywhere he wanted to
 
At this point looks like he will leave.

There are 2 things that we should do now: get as much as possible for him and cut ties with that leach that is Jorge Mendes. Second time we lose our best player to Madrid and both players were Mendes clients, surely that's not a coincidence... We shouldn't give him the opportunity to do it the third time.
 
We have been getting slaughtered on Talksport.

Most non united fans are now just looking at us as Madrids little bitch.
 
Timdbro said:
I'm not sure what you mean - he was unproven at which point, when he was first bought by Chelsea? He was obviously very proven and considered one of the top prospects at the start of this season, but that was thanks to Atlético rather than Chelsea as you rightly point out.

What I'm saying is, at the start of this season, he could quite easily have been less than enamoured at playing for a club that loaned him out for 3 consecutive years (and I think I remember articles claiming he wanted to stay at Atletico but they didn't have the financial muscle to push Chelsea around; could be wrong though). By that point he had at most 2 years left on his contract, and yet he was happy to play for Chelsea and sign a contract extension. Again, at that point, he was already considered a top notch prospect and could have pushed to play anywhere he wanted to
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There's almost nothing comparable with the two. We took a chance on De Gea. A choice the club made. Chelsea didn't because they had Cech. Courtois was not very proven. Playing one season in Belgium does not make you a proven footballer. Talent and performance don't go hand in hand.

De Gea has played for four seasons here. Courtois hadn't played a single one for Chelsea. De Gea is being sought after by Real now. Courtois wasn't sought after by Real.

De Gea is playing for his 3rd manager at United and 3rd goalkeeping coach and signs are pointing towards LvG not staying for long. Courtois was playing his 1st season under Mourinho.

Why would Courtois be, as you say enamoured? He fully understood what he was getting into. It was probably all laid out in front of him. Cech was 29 and Courtois 19 when he signed for them. I don't think there's been a young player as lucky as Courtois in recent years. It was all set up perfectly for him. He went on a loan where he basically replaced a young keeper so the expectations for him were mellow. While he's there an up and coming manager takes over who plays a very "goalkeeper friendly" tactic. He gets as much experience there as you can. When the loan is over he's ready to take over the pressure that Cech leaves behind as a goalkeeper of Chelsea with Mourinho, another "goalkeeper friendly" manager. Meanwhile that is happening he's got no competition for the Belgium spot and the team itself is young so he doesn't stand out there either.

De Gea's blooding was a hell of a more difficult one. He's probably had as many defenders in front of him in one season as Courtois has had in his whole La Liga and PL career.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
They couldn't pay anywhere near what Utd or Real could + Real have bigger chances to win things. Besides that, AM already have a good young goalkeeper in Oblak, they wouldn't buy him.
As i said, this transfer won't have anything to do with money for de Gea's part.
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That's just BS. Money is obviously a high priority for him.
 
Snow said:
There's almost nothing comparable with the two. We took a chance on De Gea. A choice the club made. Chelsea didn't because they had Cech. Courtois was not very proven. Playing one season in Belgium does not make you a proven footballer. Talent and performance don't go hand in hand.

De Gea has played for four seasons here. Courtois hadn't played a single one for Chelsea. De Gea is being sought after by Real now. Courtois wasn't sought after by Real.

De Gea is playing for his 3rd manager at United and 3rd goalkeeping coach and signs are pointing towards LvG not staying for long. Courtois was playing his 1st season under Mourinho.

Why would Courtois be, as you say enamoured? He fully understood what he was getting into. It was probably all laid out in front of him. Cech was 29 and Courtois 19 when he signed for them. I don't think there's been a young player as lucky as Courtois in recent years. It was all set up perfectly for him. He went on a loan where he basically replaced a young keeper so the expectations for him were mellow. While he's there an up and coming manager takes over who plays a very "goalkeeper friendly" tactic. He gets as much experience there as you can. When the loan is over he's ready to take over the pressure that Cech leaves behind as a goalkeeper of Chelsea with Mourinho, another "goalkeeper friendly" manager. Meanwhile that is happening he's got no competition for the Belgium spot and the team itself is young so he doesn't stand out there either.

De Gea's blooding was a hell of a more difficult one. He's probably had as many defenders in front of him in one season as Courtois has had in his whole La Liga and PL career.
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I agree with most of this post but we really didn't take a "chance on De Gea". The kid was probably the best upcoming goal keeper at the time. Buying a proven talent like that is far from "chance".
 
Garethw said:
We have been getting slaughtered on Talksport.

Most non united fans are now just looking at us as Madrids little bitch.
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I don't blame them tbh.Two of our very best players over the past seven years have been snatched for a bargain. Who's next?
 
Sarni said:
£50m for a goalkeeper would be mad, £50m for a player in the final year of his deal would be mad, now combine both.
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Madness??? No....THIS IS MANCHESTER.

You're right of course. It would be madness but we're in a shit situation with it. My point is - don't sell him. Let him walk next year.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
We signed Van Persie at the peak of his powers and from a rival for 24 million because he was in the last year of his deal.

We'd do well to get a similar fee for De Gea. Talk of 30 million plus is just stupid and shows a complete lack of basic understanding of the way the market works.

I think he will go for around 20 + 5 million worth of add-ons.
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The question is - is it worth letting him go or is £20m a good price for one season out of him? Are we close enough to challenging for the league? If not - sell him - we'll reinvest (although its going to be mighty hard to find a better goalkeeper for a better price....). If we're close enough to challenge, keep him, play 1 season, challenge for the league and let him and us re-assess next year.
 
Ricardo de la Vega said:
The question is - is it worth letting him go or is £20m a good price for one season out of him? Are we close enough to challenging for the league? If not - sell him - we'll reinvest (although its going to be mighty hard to find a better goalkeeper for a better price....). If we're close enough to challenge, keep him, play 1 season, challenge for the league and let him and us re-assess next year.
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Stop pretending like keeping him here for another season is an option.
 
shamans said:
I agree with most of this post but we really didn't take a "chance on De Gea". The kid was probably the best upcoming goal keeper at the time. Buying a proven talent like that is far from "chance".
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I do think we took a chance on him to an extent in that he was young, and it was far from certain that he was going to develop into a top talent, but you do have a point in that the post you’re replying to does make the gulf between De Gea and Courtois taking their respective positions bigger than it is. As you say, it’s not as if De Gea was completely inexperienced when he signed for us.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
We signed Van Persie at the peak of his powers and from a rival for 24 million because he was in the last year of his deal.

We'd do well to get a similar fee for De Gea. Talk of 30 million plus is just stupid and shows a complete lack of basic understanding of the way the market works.

I think he will go for around 20 + 5 million worth of add-ons.
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25 + bonus (million €)
 
shamans said:
I agree with most of this post but we really didn't take a "chance on De Gea". The kid was probably the best upcoming goal keeper at the time. Buying a proven talent like that is far from "chance".
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I think with hindsight you can say that, but you look back to the summer when we signed him, he was not first choice for the vast majority of fans, and many had barely even heard of him.
 
Snow said:
There's almost nothing comparable with the two. We took a chance on De Gea. A choice the club made. Chelsea didn't because they had Cech. Courtois was not very proven. Playing one season in Belgium does not make you a proven footballer. Talent and performance don't go hand in hand.

De Gea has played for four seasons here. Courtois hadn't played a single one for Chelsea. De Gea is being sought after by Real now. Courtois wasn't sought after by Real.

De Gea is playing for his 3rd manager at United and 3rd goalkeeping coach and signs are pointing towards LvG not staying for long. Courtois was playing his 1st season under Mourinho.

Why would Courtois be, as you say enamoured? He fully understood what he was getting into. It was probably all laid out in front of him. Cech was 29 and Courtois 19 when he signed for them. I don't think there's been a young player as lucky as Courtois in recent years. It was all set up perfectly for him. He went on a loan where he basically replaced a young keeper so the expectations for him were mellow. While he's there an up and coming manager takes over who plays a very "goalkeeper friendly" tactic. He gets as much experience there as you can. When the loan is over he's ready to take over the pressure that Cech leaves behind as a goalkeeper of Chelsea with Mourinho, another "goalkeeper friendly" manager. Meanwhile that is happening he's got no competition for the Belgium spot and the team itself is young so he doesn't stand out there either.

De Gea's blooding was a hell of a more difficult one. He's probably had as many defenders in front of him in one season as Courtois has had in his whole La Liga and PL career.
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You've pointed out all the differences in the situations, but I still don't understand your point (unless it's simply that they're incomparable so there's nothing you can say about it at all).

My point is simple - Courtois was willing to extend his contract with Chelsea and shun all possible suitors, after they'd loaned him out for three seasons. Meanwhile, De Gea, who Man Utd had a much larger hand in developing than Chelsea with Courtois, is not willing to extend his contract with the goal of staying or even of ensuring the club get a proper fee (which, as pointed out by others, is fairly standard practice). I'm not saying there isn't a reason in this individual case (there's aren't any clubs in Belgium on the level of Chelsea), but it's almost like Courtois is more keen to show loyalty (he even gave the standard "I'm happy here" interviews last month) or something than De Gea. More generally, I can't really remember too many Chelsea players running down their contracts in order to make it easier to move to Real/Barça, though it could just be bad memory.
 
Ricardo de la Vega said:
Madness??? No....THIS IS MANCHESTER.

You're right of course. It would be madness but we're in a shit situation with it. My point is - don't sell him. Let him walk next year.
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Of course that's an option but IMO team should be built for the future. Keeping a goalkeeper against his will does very little good, if Real Madrid can stump up £20m+ then I'd let him go and get a replacement who actually wants to be here and built the future on him. To be fair I'm going to have very little love for De Gea once he departs, I somehow find it difficult to warm to him now because firstly he's screwed us a little by not extending the deal (we could probably get £35m-£40m for him if he had a long contract now as opposed to £20m) and secondly after stating his fondness for Atletico a move to local rivals will look a little harsh on them - especially now that Atletico are Real's direct competitors at all fronts and could actually be a better team next year if they can pull off some of the rumoured signings.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
They are just jealous that Real don't sign any of their players. We should be proud.
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It is a compliment in a way, a barbed one, but a compliment. A bit like players using us to get new contracts, that clubs fear us going in for their players. City/Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenal don't get mentioned. Usually just us. That is why it is difficult to weed out which players we are actually in for.
 
It does seem like talent is increasingly pooling toward Real & Barca. More so than I can remember previously. Any big name that reaches the very top level seems inevitably destined for one or the other.

I suppose many English clubs would feel the same about us over the last couple decades, so I can't complain too much. The career ambition ladder does seem to be pyramiding more and more towards them though. For all our global prowess they've got the jump on us.
 
Timdbro said:
You've pointed out all the differences in the situations, but I still don't understand your point (unless it's simply that they're incomparable so there's nothing you can say about it at all).

My point is simple - Courtois was willing to extend his contract with Chelsea and shun all possible suitors, after they'd loaned him out for three seasons. Meanwhile, De Gea, who Man Utd had a much larger hand in developing than Chelsea with Courtois, is not willing to extend his contract with the goal of staying or even of ensuring the club get a proper fee (which, as pointed out by others, is fairly standard practice). I'm not saying there isn't a reason in this individual case (there's aren't any clubs in Belgium on the level of Chelsea), but it's almost like Courtois is more keen to show loyalty (he even gave the standard "I'm happy here" interviews last month) or something than De Gea. More generally, I can't really remember too many Chelsea players running down their contracts in order to make it easier to move to Real/Barça, though it could just be bad memory.
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He's showing loyalty to himself. That's about it. He's happy because his only real interest is in playing. If Chelsea weren't ready to play him, he was ready to leave. He's absolutely not doing (or done) Chelsea any favours.
 
Shark said:
City and Chelsea don't seem to have many problems keeping their best talents.
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TBH Hazard is probably the first one in a while Chelsea have had that they would be interested in, as for City well Real have been sniffing around Aguero.
Time will tell, I think Hazard is going to be tested in the next couple years
 
How the feck do they see a 73 mil price tag on Courtois and then turn around and bid 22 mil for De Gea. Its like they know United will bend over backwards and let them violate us while Chelsea would punch them in the nuts.
 
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Wednesday at Stoke said:
How the feck do they see a 73 mil bid for Courtois and then turn around and bid 22 mil for De Gea. Its like they know United will bend over backwards and let them violate us while Chelsea would punch them in the nuts.
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Not even Madrid are arrogant enough to feck with Roman Ambramovich. He didn't become a billionaire at a young age by being 'nice'.... He wouldn't put up with that virus of a club bullying Chelsea.
 
Let's say they are offering £18m. He's reportedly on £50k/pw or about £2.6m for the yr. So we'd be forgoing about 15.4m for a season of him at a world class level. That's not an insignificant amount but when you consider the best alternatives - a likely expensive Lloris, Cech who hasn't played much in a year, Valdes with no PL exp/long layoff - it makes it more justifiable for us. No need to get rid just to get rid. If he's that desperate for a move, all he's got to do is get Mendes have Madrid open their wallets.
 
Fully Fledged said:
And why not? He signed the contract he can honor it.
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Because it's highly unprofessional and would send a bad signal not only to our own players, but to the rest of the world. DDG has acted professionally in this situation, and so should we as a club.
 
Hostekule said:
Because it's highly unprofessional and would send a bad signal not only to our own players, but to the rest of the world. DDG has acted professionally in this situation, and so should we as a club.
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How would it?
 
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