Yeah imagine the uproar if we have to accept a 15m deal for DDG which we will probably do since we've got no other choice. There's no way a club like Juventus would have been in this silly situation.
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Yeah imagine the uproar if we have to accept a 15m deal for DDG which we will probably do since we've got no other choice. There's no way a club like Juventus would have been in this silly situation.
Yeah I'm sure the club just let the contract down.
And didnt offer a contract to DDG a lot earlier..
Reading these pages one would think we're such a poor club in every aspect imaginable.
And didnt offer a contract to DDG a lot earlier..
Reading these pages one would think we're such a poor club in every aspect imaginable.
Woodward : Is Bale for sale?
Madrid: no chance
Woodward : What about Ronaldo?
Madrid: no chance
Woodward : What about Benzema
Madrid : not happening
Woodward: Varane?
Madrid : no chance
Woodward : can we buy all of them in a mega deal so Metro can report it?
Madrid : LOL
Woodwardk what about Ramos
Madrid: no way
Woodward : Anyone?
Madrid : Erm no but we want de gea for good price
Woodward : ok he yours, can we have anyone as Part of deal?
Madrid : Coentrao for swap
Woodward : Ramos?
Madrid: Coentrao
Woodward : varane?
Madrid: Coentrao
Woodward: Erm . . .
Madrid: no chance
Woodward : What about Ronaldo?
Madrid: no chance
Woodward : What about Benzema
Madrid : not happening
Woodward: Varane?
Madrid : no chance
Woodward : can we buy all of them in a mega deal so Metro can report it?
Madrid : LOL
Woodward
k what about RamosMadrid: no way
Woodward : Anyone?
Madrid : Erm no but we want de gea for good price
Woodward : ok he yours, can we have anyone as Part of deal?
Madrid : Coentrao for swap
Woodward : Ramos?
Madrid: Coentrao
Woodward : varane?
Madrid: Coentrao
Woodward: Erm . . .
Why don't you go and support Juventus then?
Its something called loyalty. You'll learn about it when you get a bit older.
What does that have to do with your statement about 'paving the way' for the Galactico era? The point is that it was not some new strategy devised after Beckham's purchase.
They didn't take our crown jewel; they took a player who Fergie wanted out after the celebrity overtook Beckham the player.
We didn't become powerless to sell them players after Beckham - that's a ridiculous exaggeration. We sold them RVN on our terms and Ronaldo was adamant on leaving for them.
I think you are making some preposterous assumptions and generalizations with your Spurs comparison too. We have been able to take away players from them because we are able to compensate Spurs by paying huge transfer fees and the players with huge pay rises. Equating us to Real's Spurs is moronic.
Yeah the same Juventus which was thrown to Serie B.
Grass is always greener somewhere else I guess.
I'd be all for £21m (The rumoured 30 million euros) + De Gea for Ramos.
Would be a decent deal given how De Gea is valued at £25million with him being in the last year of his contract.
Would be a decent deal given how De Gea is valued at £25million with him being in the last year of his contract.
Im a just pointing out that the Beckham deal was somehow different from that of the other players you mentioned. Juventus were always a selling club and Zidane was in his late 20s back then. It was either selling him now or they won't be selling him at all. Inter on the other hand was the equivalent of Spurs while Barcelona was nowhere near to the big club it is now. Beckham on the other hand was at the prime of his career and the poster boy of a club claiming to be the biggest and richest club in the world.
I repeat, I don't give a feck of what SAF thought. In matter of fact I believe that Beckham's antics were nothing but a ploy to drive the price down. My point is that selling the most popular and marketable player in the world for 25m was stupid. We should have got at least 60m out of him.
I'm probably older than you, I've been reading you constantly criticising United and proclaiming the virtues of Juve and Serie A on here for over a decade. It's about time you just stopped posting the same old spiel. Either that or just admit that your constant assertions that United is a poorly run club is just plain nonsense.
Please could people take the Beckham talk to another thread. Thanks
No one knows exactly why Juventus were thrown in the Serie B as Italy (including the courts) are in a mess. We can spend weeks talking about the case, bringing arguments both in favor and against Juventus without concluding nothing. Having said that, Juventus would have never allowed their key player to end up with 1 year left on his contract. That's plain stupid irrespective of the colour of the grass etc.
United standing up to big bad bully shocker
As I said in the other thread how do you know club hasnt offered DDG a new contract a lot earlier and he refused to sign. I dont think club just sat there and waited for the contract to run down. We dont know if that happened just as we dont know why was Juve thrown in the Serie B as you say..
We could be flattered they their constant interest but they couldn't tempt Sir Alex who probably told them to bugger off. In such a short space of time, it could look like this or that at the end of the day Madrid have natural advantages over us. Not just the weather but the language so you talk about quality of life. People need to understand, most of these players (agents), do not give a shit for the average supporter. Its mostly money, ego. That is why someone like Tevez I can respect (despite this and that), because he played in a country and couldn't speak the language. Probably not for the want of trying.
So we're not a selling club. We pushed Becks out. Ruud was dropped because Saha was playing better. Heinze? We pushed him to Madrid rather then Liverpool. Ronaldo? Could quite easily have gone to Barcelona and again it's a family, weather thing. If United was in Spain? He'd have stayed longer or certainly be serious in coming back. As for De Gea? Again, it's not so much his Spanish - his family including GF are in Spain. That's a problem. It's nothing to do with Madrid and everything to do with it being an obvious choice for him. He should have been honest with the club, IF he's not genuinely torn. However, implying you are but saying nothing and then maybe kind words after? Mean nothing to most people. Zilch. And he should sign a contract even if only to put in a buy out clause. So if the clubs get lied to by the player and then stupid agents, it's very difficult for any club.
So we're not a selling club. We pushed Becks out. Ruud was dropped because Saha was playing better. Heinze? We pushed him to Madrid rather then Liverpool. Ronaldo? Could quite easily have gone to Barcelona and again it's a family, weather thing. If United was in Spain? He'd have stayed longer or certainly be serious in coming back. As for De Gea? Again, it's not so much his Spanish - his family including GF are in Spain. That's a problem. It's nothing to do with Madrid and everything to do with it being an obvious choice for him. He should have been honest with the club, IF he's not genuinely torn. However, implying you are but saying nothing and then maybe kind words after? Mean nothing to most people. Zilch. And he should sign a contract even if only to put in a buy out clause. So if the clubs get lied to by the player and then stupid agents, it's very difficult for any club.
Well that's called selective reading. Go and dig my posts and you'll see how I criticised the Serie A clubs of the late 90s who preferred spending the dosh on players rather then on building their own infrastructure. To this very day, its RIDICULOUS that big clubs like AC Milan and Inter don't even own a stadium!
Having said that, while I admire how United were the first to make some real money out of football there's no denying that we're incredibly naive in dealing with players and agents. There's a difference between being a supporter and being a sheep/Paddy clone.
Once DDG entered the second year of contract than he should have either signed a new contract or they should have shown him the door. That's what a proper top club would do. Lets face it, we've been naive in allowing him to enter his final year of contract and this is not the first time we've done such mess (ex buying Fellaini once the minimum clause expired) . We're the Picassos in terms of generating money however there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of dealing with players.
And once again, lets not delve into the Calciopoli scandal as its stinks more than a decaying corpse.
yep and all that probably going to happen is that we either lose de gea at the last minute this summer or we have a goal keeper whose heads been tuned and mind isn't here for a season, before leaving for free next year.
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Manchester United offer €30 million and De Gea for Ramos - http://as.com/diarioas/2015/06/23/english/1435045364_143303.html …
United to offer €30m + De Gea for Ramos. Meeting held back in April. United would double his wages.
No proper clubs offer extensions in the second year of a five year contract and that too for a player who was struggling till six months back.
I would like to think there is something in this , but I just cant, all I can see is Ramos wanting a new improved contract and him and his agent using us to get this.
I really, really hope this doesn't become our summer long muppet thread. Of all the players
Of course they would. Under such circumstances what's the point in keeping a player that doesn't want to sign a new contract? You either lose him on cheap the summer after or lose him for free the year after that. The time when players are just a pat on the shoulder away from signing a contract is over. Players aren't stupid and naive anymore and have agents who knows how to generate money for their clients more than we do.
We were hardly going to offer him a new deal after one year.
Im referring to the third year (ie two years before the contract ends)
I explained that better.
Do you know any examples of that scenario in recent years?
So basically as per your logic ,if DDG wasn't signing a contract then we should have sold him after we had just finished 7th so that we could have got a better price. Yes that would have definitely made us look like a better run club
It's Fabregas and Ronaldo all over again, player's that have no interest in coming and string up along. We look stupid each time.
I think you are reading way too much in the Beckham deal. No one was paying more than we got for Becks at the time, 60m is way out of the question.
Yes we should. There again a proper top club should have never ended up 7th in the first place and would have never appointed Moyes to replace a legend.
Well we did bought some third rated Portuguese winger for 6m when, just few weeks before, he was available on cheap. We did the same thing with Fellaini i.e. we allowed the minimum clause to expire and ended up spending more for him. Why can't we admit we're weak on this aspect of management?
€30 + De Gea? I'd say De Gea is worth €30/€25 even in his final year. So €55/60m for a defender? Is this us getting bummed again if this pans out like AS informed?
Look I myself said in another thread yesterday that the football side of the club has been run in a shocking manner but I think because of that every single thing that doesn't work is blamed on the club . In this case I don't think we did much wrong ,DDG has played us badly but we were in no position to sell him last season so I don't think we could have done anything differently.
Guys, unless the DDG talk is directly related to the "Dave plus cash for Ramos" chat then please take it elsewhere.
I meant examples of other clubs showing player the door cause he refused to sign a contract entering a 3rd year.
Where exactly did he played us badly? He refused to sign a contract despite entering his final two years of his contract. Also you may not notice but he's Spanish and therefore he's more prone to prefer Madrid to Manchester than some kid born and bred in Greater Manchester. Just because a player is professional (i.e he plays magnificently week in week out, he stays out of trouble and say the right things about the club etc) that doesn't mean he would never leave the club. You test that by having him sign a long term contract 2 years before the current one expires.
The signs were there for everyone to see. Unfortunately for one reason or another we refused to see them.
Zidane's deal was pretty much similar to what I said.
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