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Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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As if you lot are paying. All those complains about price are pathetic.
Interesting stuff
"I was pleased to get United. They are in the Premier League what Madrid are in Spain perhaps: the values, the history. What they have always represented, the philosophy they transmit, the ideals they inculcated their players with, are similar.
"Few games have the repercussion of this match. And I'd rather play them than a team that's not as big but comes along and surprises you. Besides, I like English football."
"My Dad used to watch a lot and he would say to me when I was a kid: 'Come and watch this. Look at this guy …' I wouldn't say he obliged me to watch it but pretty much. He'd say: 'Today so-and-so is playing; watch him.'" And who did he support? Ramos grins. "Manchester United." Divided loyalty, then? "Haha, no! My dad always had a soft spot for Manchester but my family are Sevilla fans – and now Real Madrid."
God forbid the papers pick this up again ...
Would love Ramos here, but €30m and DDG - way way too expensive.
He is 29 as well, so its not like he'll be around forever.......
He is 29 as well, so its not like he'll be around forever.......
I have some belief that this transfer actually may happen, partly because of the Spanish lads but also because we have fecking Woodward. He loves to show off.
I think this negotiation is all about taking a chunk of flesh from Madrid, since they'll be doing the same to us.
£21m plus DDG is a good start but it's going to hit 30-35 imo. The problem with the negotiations is Madrid have the upperhand and as time passes by they only gain more of one. It's now about pulling away something that will improve us and feel like they've lost something important rather than getting cash money.
DDG I'd value at £30m+. But he's in his last year, they've been knocking on the door and stirring things up and he's not responded well for us. His mind is made up. With all that Madrid know they don't need to throw much money at us before we risk losing him for free. (No matter how you look at it, that would look awful next summer).
If we manage to pull away the madrid captain, a crucial anchor in their defence, and lose our own anchor plus some cash, that's a good deal at this point. I wasnt sure ramos was being serious...and maybe he isnt and its a slight bluff. But I get the feeling he's not totally against leaving madrid if he doesnt get what he wants.
£21m plus DDG is a good start but it's going to hit 30-35 imo. The problem with the negotiations is Madrid have the upperhand and as time passes by they only gain more of one. It's now about pulling away something that will improve us and feel like they've lost something important rather than getting cash money.
DDG I'd value at £30m+. But he's in his last year, they've been knocking on the door and stirring things up and he's not responded well for us. His mind is made up. With all that Madrid know they don't need to throw much money at us before we risk losing him for free. (No matter how you look at it, that would look awful next summer).
If we manage to pull away the madrid captain, a crucial anchor in their defence, and lose our own anchor plus some cash, that's a good deal at this point. I wasnt sure ramos was being serious...and maybe he isnt and its a slight bluff. But I get the feeling he's not totally against leaving madrid if he doesnt get what he wants.
Well every penny spend on a player is one they have to earn and can't spend on anything or anybody else.
The mere fact that we don't have to pay for it (which isn't entirely correct as the club makes most of its money from us) really isn't a reason why people can't be critical about the club throwing it away like that.
We have the financial power to spend and I'am glad we are willing to but that doesn't mean we have to be stupid about it.
If his contract wasn't running down I'd value him at £60m+
From last year to this we could possibly have Ramos and Valdez minus De Gea for a figure of around £30m give or take. I'll settle for that.
Would be the same with almost any player we might buy - look at the number of people on here who don't want Bale / Ronaldo! Carragher is just stirring to try and put Ramos off.
how are we naieve? i just don't get this argument.
In many ways Ramos is a nice stopgap because he will give us 2-3 years at the highest level. If Van Gaal sees Jones, McNair as the future, Ramos can help them improve their game as well. While Jones has been around forever, he is still only 22, so he still has plenty of time.
Plus Ramos is a real leader. We've lacked that type of character since Vidic, Rio and Evra have left.
The prices being quoted for him though are a bit ridiculous.
Plus Ramos is a real leader. We've lacked that type of character since Vidic, Rio and Evra have left.
The prices being quoted for him though are a bit ridiculous.
I'm warming to the idea, for the reasons outline above. Is he really a leader on the pitch though? We badly need an experienced, calming presence at the back to talk to and organise everyone around him. Is Ramos that type of player? Does he even speak English?
Whats your take on all this @Vato.
Some of these valuations are crazy. Hes very good but he is 29. 20-25m seems about right.
We bought a 29 year old Van Persie for 25m who at the time was considered to be one of the best strikers in the world, if not the best
No way we should include De Gea any deal unless its a straight swap.
We bought a 29 year old Van Persie for 25m who at the time was considered to be one of the best strikers in the world, if not the best
No way we should include De Gea any deal unless its a straight swap.
Completley agreed
I'd consider a swap + a small amount on our side also still a good deal or atleast decent.
But not for the amounts that are circulating right now. Those figures either value Ramos way too high and or DDG way too low. So it is silly espeically if you consider the age of Ramos. If he'd be 25 or something it be a different thing altogether but he isn't.
I'm not too worried, altough I know his relation with Perez isn't the best. This wage talk isn't something new, the same story surfaced last year too. Fwiw, I agree with Ramos... he's been at the club for a decade and newcomers like Bale and James already earn more than him while they didn't really show much yet.
He's a leader in the same way that Vidic was IMO. Although prone to do some real silly things from time to time. Hes good on the ball, something LVG loves. Plus he's a cnut. We need a few cnuts.
Not sure about the English though.
For the right price, he'd be invaluable. He ticks a lot of boxes.
Still feel we are being played here to secure a new contract for him. Just hope we have prepared for that eventuality.
I just hope we learn from past mistakes and put a deadline on these deals. Last thing we want is for it to drag on all summer and then sign Otamendi last minute when we could have had him in way earlier getting settled etc
Hilarious attack on the "putrid blackmail" by Ramos in one of the big Spanish papers
http://www.elmundo.es/blogs/deportes/cortadorcesped/2015/06/23/el-putrido-chantaje-de-ramos.html
Its says that nobody really wants the decaying defender (he's been offering himself up to clubs throughout Europe), but United have just thrown him into the mix to sow confusion and hold up the DDG transfer.
http://www.elmundo.es/blogs/deportes/cortadorcesped/2015/06/23/el-putrido-chantaje-de-ramos.html
Its says that nobody really wants the decaying defender (he's been offering himself up to clubs throughout Europe), but United have just thrown him into the mix to sow confusion and hold up the DDG transfer.
Not. Going.To.Happen.
Well.Thats.That.Then.
Its.dead.in.the.water.
Its.on.like.donkey.kong.
he.just.wants.a.new.contract.
Its.Arbeloa.You.Want.
I've long accepted that we're about to get screwed over our most prized asset in Dave. We'd probably look pretty stupid if it didn't work out, but going on the basis that Dave won't be here next season either way, I couldn't care less if we get the raw end of the deal, so long as we get one of the best defenders in Europe as a result.
It does all seem a bit pie in the sky, but I'm surprised by how many people don't seem to rate him that highly.
It does all seem a bit pie in the sky, but I'm surprised by how many people don't seem to rate him that highly.
We should have never allowed DDG to enter his last year of contract in the first place. Last season he should have either signed a new contract or he should have been sold. The trouble is that its not the first feck up we did. The Bebe (6m spent on some rumour) and the Fellaini's deal (first we allowed the minimum clause to expire and than we went serious on him) shows we're very naive in terms of the transfer market
Don't.Forget.Your.Capitalisation.
Seriosuly though I'm tired of these contract wranglers name-checking us - is there some damn blueprint that is handed out to agents with the 3 tenets of getting a new deal with us in paragraph 2?
But it is and I don't think he is even worth £30m with his contract situation.
No club in the world would pay £30m for effectively one season extra with De Gea. £600k per week plus his wages for that season.
Especially since they know he has no intention of going anywhere else when his contract expires.
I think the bloke wants a fat new contract.
Global reach and prestige are two different things though wouldn't you say? Of course the commercial success of the PL is unparalleled but not everyone measures prestige by that. I don't really think there is a definite "most prestigious" league or club anyway. For a player like Ramos with his current situation, profile and background, I doubt he views the PL or Man United as "the" most prestigious.
I wish we could actually bag him
I have to admit I don't know all the ins and outs of this story like maybe some of you do, but from what I've seen it looks like we're willing to offer around £20 m + DDG for Ramos, who even then still isn't likely to join.
In doing this we are potentially running the risk of missing out on a player who was hailed as the best defender in la liga last season (so hence better that Ramos), who is younger than Ramos, and who's fee could probably be covered by DDG's fee if we just sold him, and most importantly of all seems really keen on joining us.
Like I say though maybe I'm missing something, just not sure what.
In doing this we are potentially running the risk of missing out on a player who was hailed as the best defender in la liga last season (so hence better that Ramos), who is younger than Ramos, and who's fee could probably be covered by DDG's fee if we just sold him, and most importantly of all seems really keen on joining us.
Like I say though maybe I'm missing something, just not sure what.
In a league were cissy tackles get cards.
Ottamendi fee would be £35m - we aint getting that for DDG
Ottamendi was voted in La Liga team of the year, but hasn't reach that kind of level before. Ramos overall if we take the last 3/4 seasons is a better defender. Based on this season alone, one could say Kane > Costa since he scored more goals, but that would be a silly assumption to make.
Just because we have put in this offer, doesn't mean we have stopped pursuing Ottamendi
I'm not sure he's a great leader but he's a fighter. Him and smalling could be a match made in heaven really. One is good on the ball and a good all round defender whilst being a bit rash, whereas smalling is just born to defend whilst a bit clumsy on the ball.
I wouldn't say he's a calming influence though.
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