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Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract
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Please.God.No.I.Will.Cry.If.That.Ever.Happens.
Ramos is the player I'd be the least interested in signing from Real at the moment. But I guess we have failed with Benzema, Bale and Varane, so he's next on the list.
Always prone to silly mistakes, not very good defensively, liability when it comes to getting silly cards, but compensating at the other end and being a local lad(Spanish international) really helped him.
Not saying he's shit, but IMO he'll struggle in Prem.
The positive side is that he can fill in at right back as well.
Always prone to silly mistakes, not very good defensively, liability when it comes to getting silly cards, but compensating at the other end and being a local lad(Spanish international) really helped him.
Not saying he's shit, but IMO he'll struggle in Prem.
The positive side is that he can fill in at right back as well.
This. I guess Nemanja Vidic would have been sent off as many times as this for tackling people if he played in Spain.
You seriously need to watch him more. He's a world class defender.
Madrid still hold all the cards. If they want Ramos, they just offer him more money. If they want De Gea, they know 20m will probably do it, if not another 3-5m and they still get a bargain. There's no real reason for them to sanction a swap deal.
Or they can wait and get him for nothing in 12 months and save £400k per week for the next year.
True, Ramos will definitely not go to us this window. Real will just pay him what he wants (and deserves), hopefully it happens sooner rather than later so we can stop all this speculation.
Oh I have. Again not saying he's shite or average. His defensive abilities being world class is a bit debatable.
He has been sent off 3 times against Barcelona and lost count how many other times he should've walked as well.
Against them he was always prone to be the weakest link in their defensive unit.
Varane is the defender we should be looking for from them, but I guess he didn't want to come.
The quoted fees + DDG are a bit insane, especially since he also has less than 2 years left on his contract.
Find a CB that doesn't make mistakes. as for saying that Ramos isnt good defensively....this place!!
He averages less than 15 games for a red card. 42 reds and 129 yellows in his career.
A lot of times in Primera he gets a pass for being a Real Madrid player with his tackles.
Yes he's a very good defender and excellent going forward, but IMO not a world class in the defensive area bracket, especially against Barca, where he usually is the weakest link in defence.
I disagree. He does lose his head from time to time, especially in the big games, getting sent off, but so did Vidic. He plays with so much passion that it's inevitable.
There are mainly two types of centre backs. You have the kind who goes all in and gives it all, and you have the composed thinking kind who covers space and steps in in the late moments making a crucial tackle. Ramos is definitely the first kind, which is probably why you don't rate him as highly as others. Varane is the second kind, which may make him look like a more reliable defender, but I believe Ramos is one of the top 5 defenders in the world today. Varane may become even better, but he is unobtainable at the moment.
di Maria most certainly was in his prime!! Coming off the back of his best ever season for Madrid and then going on to win Argentinian poty ahead of Messi!
Have you ever seen him play by any chance? He's world class! Bit of a twat but a world class one! he's keeping the great Varane out of the team! The only concern anyone should have with Ramos is his discipline because he's certainly good enough! Jamie Carragher thinks he'd suit the Prem perfectly and he's someone who knows how to defend in this league so I dunno where people are plucking this "will struggle in the Premier League" stuff.
Also he's as local to Madrid as Luke Shaw is to Manchester!
Yes, I have. By local I've already said - Spanish international, not that he's Real youth player.
A lot of those "tackles" went not to be punished with a card.
Who cares. He has actually matured quite a bit. One red card last season for a last ditch ditch shirt grabbing. Mourinho bought the worst out him, just like he die with Pepe. Under Ancelotti he seems To have cooled down a lot.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../p#defensive_errors/errors_leading_to_goal#90
Interesting for those who say he is error prone
EDIT: Its the same result for the previous 2 seasons too
Interesting for those who say he is error prone
EDIT: Its the same result for the previous 2 seasons too
Ramos isnt great defensively, good but not great. Pepe is far better than him defensively and cleans up for him continuously. But attackingly Ramos is the best along with Pique. A great defender wouldnt cause as many fouls and yellow cards as Ramos does, he needs to many fouls to stop a player.
Cardena Cope are saying we'll offer 40m euro plus De Gea.
Euro's? Not the best deal. I'd value De Gea at 20 million minimum, 60 million for a 29 year old defender seems a bit ridiculous to me.
Why don't we sign Otamendi instead?
yes, I'm on the same boat. He averages 20 cards per season for club and country and in lot of the games he gets away being a Real player.
Ramos is one of the best defenders in the final third, that is without a doubt but always has been a question mark defensively. In lot of sense he is like David Luiz.
Using the same SQUAWKA to underline this he commits 1.5 times more fouls than Smalling and Ottamendi with a team that usually has 65% of the possesion.
So we could have the best CB in La Liga last year (Otamendi), for much less money (given wages and eventual transfer fee), wants to play for us badly and LVG decides to go for the big name ...
Why not sign both? As it stand I don't trust any of our cb's at the the top level.
He does it more, but not as much as you are stating:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../0/p#cards_for_bad_tackles/fouls_committed#90
Ancelotti has said that is the most complete CB that he trained,and he named Baresi,Maldini or Cannavaro in that interview.I agree with @Mciahel Goodman ,maybe Silva is better althought I think that his contribution to the offensive game is not so good
Ramos 1.64 per game
Ottamendi 0.99 per game
Smalling 1.10 per game.
I think my calculations are correct?
Wondering what our residential Real fans consider his defensive skills since they watch him day in and day out, for example
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Maybe because management think Ramos is better.
Because Otamendi/Smalling is a very good combination IMO. Our striking/midfield option is still a mess so I don't want to spend everything on CB's. We need a new striker, a new RB, a Carrick replacement, and an upgrade on Fellaini on the 10 position. Oh and ofc a new goalkeeper too.
One world class CB is all we need and except for the name and the experience, there isn't anything that is favourable for Ramos compared to Otamendi.
I think some people are ever so slightly dubious about getting him not because they doubt his ability but because A) he'd be a lot for a 29 year old and B) it'd be embarrassing if he was playing in the same team right now.
If there were solid reports about much needed incomings, as well as Ramos, I for one think he'd be perfect.
I'd still love to see Otamendi come in.
If there were solid reports about much needed incomings, as well as Ramos, I for one think he'd be perfect.
I'd still love to see Otamendi come in.
Quite an important factor, I mean are we really labelling Otamendi truely worldclass after 1 season.... I think he would be a good buy too, but this guy hasn't exactly impressed before this season. Could well be the system deployed at Valencia suits him to the T
Seriously i dont get this attitude some fans have "one world class CB is all we need".
You are acting like one world class CB would make the other one magically more skilled.
True, Ramos is a proper goalscoring CB -- like Terry, but better with the ball at his feet. He did play at right back though, which probably helped him develop his attacking ability. Silva is just an excellent defender, he won't score/assist many goals but he's the man you want leading your back-line.
Maldini and Baresi is high praise indeed, two of the greatest players ever.
DDG is one of those things.
Bebe was just weird.
And Fellaini was Moyes.
So if we're so naive how do you explain RVP, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Valencia, Young, Hernandez and Smalling. All bargains in hindsight. That's before you start to add up all we recouped on sales at the right time through the years.
As I say I just don't buy your argument!
Not sure replacing Ronaldo with Valencia (on the cheap) is something to be proud of.
Vidic made Jonny Evans look like a world beater. John Terry is masking Cahill's flaws too. A world class defender would certainly make the job far easier for Smalling, who improved tremendously over the last months. Definitely doesn't deserve to be benched after his performances after the City derby.
RVP was most certainly not a bargain, but he did win us the title.
Young at £20m also not a bargain
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