Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract
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That's the best thing ever, haha!
He will be a good signing if we sign few very good midfielders and totally dominate games, otherwise we are in trouble. But actually, if we sign these midfielders, we don't need Ramos. I just don't get it, why him? What is wrong with us?
Yeah, why would we want one of the best, most experienced, centre backs in the world, when we've got Phil Jones and Chris Smalling as our starting partnership?
We're proper mental we are.
why even have any defenders, lets just have a team full of midfielders dominating possession!
At 29 he's already played for Spain just short of 130 times. And there are people questioning his quality. He's bonkers and erratic at times, but he's an absolute class footballer.
You don't pass up on these opportunities if they're legit. And having him will surely help the likes of Jones and Smalling learning to play from the back.
I'd be more than happy if we went into the new season with him as our main CB. I don't actually expect it to happen, but I think we need someone who has done it all back there to tighten things up.
You don't pass up on these opportunities if they're legit. And having him will surely help the likes of Jones and Smalling learning to play from the back.
I'd be more than happy if we went into the new season with him as our main CB. I don't actually expect it to happen, but I think we need someone who has done it all back there to tighten things up.
He is not the best CB in the world, he isn't really very good. He is an average defender, who is very good on the ball. Smalling is a better defender. Ramos and experience? Maybe experienced, but still stupid and only his name and Real Madrid's name is saving him from having red card in every tough game he plays.
Yes, we are idiots.
We have defenders, Ramos wouldn't improve us really if we can dominate possession. Why spend so much money on him? If we want dominate games, he will not be a big help at the back. Just watch Real's games....
I'd suggest that there is only one idiot here, if you think Ramos 'isn't really very good' and an 'average defender', or that Smalling is better (and thats coming from a big fan of Smalling)
you're crazy if you think Smalling is better than Ramos. no point really debating it.
And Spain was successful because of their defenders? They were successful because of their midfielders and attackers. We all saw what happened with their defense after they've lost the ability to control games. He is just not worth the money.
What a load of shite.
As a defender of course he is. You are right, no point debating it.
Why not? He's the superior player. I don't get it.If we spend stupid amounts on this cnut ahead of Otamendi
Bloody hell, after having someone like Rio in our team for 10 years to say that Ramos is a very good defender.... Bloody hell.... But OK, most people think that Bale is 80mio pound players, so why not this...
Oh okay. They were dominant on a global scale for 5 years and their defenders had nothing to do with it.
It's like saying Barcelona's drastically improved form last season was down to the front three and absolutely nothing to do with Pique's huge improvement. When in reality their defensive stability is probably one of the unsung successes of the season gone.
Absolutely ridiculous. He's been the rock in the middle of La Liga, Champions League, Euro and World Cup winning defences.
Especially with De Gea likely gone as well
But we don't have Rio now..we have Smalling/Jones/Rojo/Evans...and Ramos is better then all of them, and quite comfortably so.
Didn't you know..those successful teams were based on midfield and attack only.
I'd go further and say that defences are always usually unsung heroes in winning teams. At the very least a successful team has to have a *functional* defence. Ours has been dysfunctional for two seasons now.
Would Ramos-Smalling be the best CB partnership in the league potentially? Cant think of another CB better than Ramos in the premiership right now
Just need a good RB and it should be a solid back 4
Just need a good RB and it should be a solid back 4
That's insane.
I am watching him since he came to Real. In the first years he was a joke, literally, and it was justified because he changed the position, but later he improved, but not really enough.
So, how many La Liga title did they win since he is there? You are telling me that Spain won the titles because of defense?
Can we say that Pique is a WC defender, he won everything and he won ti more times actually. Mascherano is a WC defender also, as he is playing mostly as a CB for Barcelona? You would want him as a United CB?
Kompany was more than average when City won the league last time, Cahill won it with Chelsea..... Why does it matter what they have won?
As I said, just look how many times he should have been sent off, but wasn't? Even against United he should have been sent off at least once. Just watch the games for God's sake.
Compared to Rio and Vidić he isn't even close, so how can he be a top class defender?
Ramos already has a goal for United
Yeah, Barcelona and Spain were famous for their defending....
Are you seriously trying to take a goal away from our most reliable striker? 'Owen goal.' Sorry, 'Own goal'.
Why are you still banging on about Rio and Vidic? Its been at least 5 years since we had those two at their peak.
Are we just supposed to not sign any defender that isn't at their level, and put up with what we have now? How is that even remotely logical?
I don't have the numbers but I'm almost sure that both teams have among the best defensive records in the last 8 years.
They didn't concede a single goal in the knockout stages of Euro 2008 with one of the three games being decided on penalties (Italy) and another being decided by a single goal (Germany). In the 2010 World Cup in the four knockout games they again didn't concede a single goal and all four were decided by a single goal (Portugal, Paraguay, Germany and Netherlands). In Euro 2012 in the three knockout games they didn't concede a single goal with one game being decided on penalties (Portugal), so yes I'd say defence was pretty important and not conceding a goal in those 10 consecutive knockout games is impressive.
Because teams were unable to take the ball from Barcelona and Spain, they dominated possession. Just look at the percentages, of course they didn't concede that many goals.
Real had a great counter attack and great striking force so teams didn't really attack them with big numbers. But we all know what happened when teams did do it. Do you remember games against BVB and how many chances BVB had?
Just look at United this season, numbers wise one of the best teams defending this season, but we all know we had big problems the first half, just didn't concede goals.
I have been watching Ramos for to long isn't worth so much money. Yes, we have the money and we can spend it, but we should be able to spend better (I'll admit I don't know how, because the defenders now days aren't really that great and the other names mentioned, like Hummels, are probably worse right now - funny, most people still think that Hummels is WC).
Football is a team sport. You make it sound like defenders are completely irrelevant.
Why do you keep comparing him to former players? Would he improve the CURRENT team? Oh wait, he wouldn't, because Smalling, who doesn't even start for England, is better than the first choice CB for Spain.
Yeah he was in La Liga team of the year 3 years in a row as well as FIFA team of the year 5 times( just so I point out individual honours rather than the bog standard Euro/World Cup winners medals to mean nothing to people these days) to point out an average/good at best defender.
Some people are so quick to disrespect a player that has achieved so much in this sport, and that is one of the top CBs in the world, no doubt about it. Yes, use his 19 red cards as a reason for being a shit defender; Vidic picked up a quarter of those against Liverpool alone ffs, does that make him "good"?
You see so many opinions of Ramos being so shit, yet how come he has been in so many XIs of the year, rather than seeing a Barca 4 there when they have conceded the least for so long? Are the experts so blind in what they see, and us fans that know it all that are superior in judgement can call out talented people better than them?
This is not a spat against signing Ramos. It's just boring seeing people play down such great players joining us because of one or two pointless factors as mentioned above as to why they shouldn't join us. Ramos won't be seen as one of the all-time greats, but he will most probably go down as one of the great CBs of his generation.
He's a very good defender, of course. His status as one of the best in the world is helped by the lack of top quality centerhalves nowadays, but we can't do any better than get the best there is today. We can't get Rio or Vidic at their prime.
Still, this doesn't really feel right as it's not the sort of deals we've gotten used to. Otamendi would be a classic United signing. But then, with Fergie gone, things have changed and we're obviously aiming at bigger transfer targets.
Still expect we'll fine out we were taken for the ride of our lives before Ramos signs a new contract.
Still, this doesn't really feel right as it's not the sort of deals we've gotten used to. Otamendi would be a classic United signing. But then, with Fergie gone, things have changed and we're obviously aiming at bigger transfer targets.
Still expect we'll fine out we were taken for the ride of our lives before Ramos signs a new contract.
They've been competing against one of the best club teams of all time. Even Ronaldo only has 1 title.
No ones saying they were won because of the defence, but don't be one of those pricks that doesn't give defenders enough credit. All great teams have solid defenders, and Ramos is 100% one.
And to answer your question, yes I'd love Mascherano and especially Pique in our defence. Wouldn't you?
Did you watch the games? Italy had I think 2 chances, one from long range and one were the defense make a mistake. That's all the shots they've got. Also with other teams, teams were just not able to get the ball from the Spanish players.
But let's go to 2014., it is much closer to now, how many goal did they concede at the WC? What happend when the midfield couldn't do the job? Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming this only on the defense, but more on midfield as it is the way the play, but the point is they have won the titles with controling the possession and they have lost games when the weren't able to do it.
People getting so worked up about fees, all you need to ask yourself is will he improve our team? I think you would be mad to think not.
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